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[Seival]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...
So misguided...

Can't accept the fact that there is always someone greater than you? You clearly watched/read too many badly written stories about humans supremacy. Good stories like Mass Effect Trilogy conjure so many thoughts that scare you, and conflict with your ghost.

I'm misguided? 

I can accept if someone is objectively greater than me at a skill. Or many skills.

I'm not the best Soldier in the US Army. I'm not the best Second Lieutenant in the US Army. I'm not the fastest swimmer, or the strongest lifter, or the smartest person. I'm not even the best video game player.

But I'm not any lesser than them as a person. I'm not any greater a person because of my skills.

I don't believe in "human supremacy". I am insulted that you even think that. Even more so that you think I'm scared of Mass Effect because of your invalid interpretation of me.

Seriously are you some kind of Soviet holdover or something? Stalin's grandchild perhaps? Hell, you sound like some pre-Bolshevik czar who thinks he's got the right to rule over the masses or some crap.

There is no such thing as human supremacy. That said, there is no such thing as Asari supremacy. Or Turian Supremacy. Or Leviathan supremacy. Or Reaper Supremacy. Or Catalyst supremacy.

There is nothing greater or lesser in the inherent worth of a person from their character. A Leviathan creature is bigger than me, smarter than me, stronger than me, and a lot older than me.

But it's not "better" than me. It's not "greater" than me. It has no more worth or value as an individual than me. That's why I'm insulted by their assertions. That's why I'm insulted by your assertions.

Yes, you are misguided. You are literally telling that "you can accept that someone is greater than you, but you can't accept that someone is greater than you".

Someone who is greater than you will always be of more value than you. On all possible levels. Making you lesser being compared to the one who is greater. This is what you fear. This is what conflict with your ghost. This is what makes you angry. And pride fuels this anger well.

You can't consider yourself as a lesser being. But you should learn to. That was just a friendly advice. And if it angers you, then pride is too strong within you.

Modifié par Seival, 07 mai 2013 - 12:00 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...
So misguided...

Can't accept the fact that there is always someone greater than you? You clearly watched/read too many badly written stories about humans supremacy. Good stories like Mass Effect Trilogy conjure so many thoughts that scare you, and conflict with your ghost.

I'm misguided? 

I can accept if someone is objectively greater than me at a skill. Or many skills.

I'm not the best Soldier in the US Army. I'm not the best Second Lieutenant in the US Army. I'm not the fastest swimmer, or the strongest lifter, or the smartest person. I'm not even the best video game player.

But I'm not any lesser than them as a person. I'm not any greater a person because of my skills.

I don't believe in "human supremacy". I am insulted that you even think that. Even more so that you think I'm scared of Mass Effect because of your invalid interpretation of me.

Seriously are you some kind of Soviet holdover or something? Stalin's grandchild perhaps? Hell, you sound like some pre-Bolshevik czar who thinks he's got the right to rule over the masses or some crap.

There is no such thing as human supremacy. That said, there is no such thing as Asari supremacy. Or Turian Supremacy. Or Leviathan supremacy. Or Reaper Supremacy. Or Catalyst supremacy.

There is nothing greater or lesser in the inherent worth of a person from their character. A Leviathan creature is bigger than me, smarter than me, stronger than me, and a lot older than me.

But it's not "better" than me. It's not "greater" than me. It has no more worth or value as an individual than me. That's why I'm insulted by their assertions. That's why I'm insulted by your assertions.

Yes, you are misguided. You are literally telling that "you can accept that someone is greater than you, but you can't accept that someone is greater than you".

Someone who is greater than you will always be more value than you. On all possible levels. Making you lesser being compared to the one who is greater. This is what you fear. This is what conflict with your ghost. This is what makes you angry. And pride fuels this anger well.

You can't consider yourself as a lesser being. But you should learn to. That was just a friendly advice. And if it angers you, then pride is too strong within you.

That's a belief. It's not objective proof at all. 

Yes it angers me greatly. And yes that stems from pride. From a damn challenge to my dignity as bloody human being.

It's not friendly advice. It's you being a complete jackass. You're free to believe what you want about you, but it's not the truth about me.

You sound like some guy who supports apartheid or segregation or something.

I'm going to assume that you think black people are lesser than white people too?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 mai 2013 - 12:07 .

[Seboist]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME2 is what destroyed the franchise with it's pointlessness forcing ME3 to be two games in one(rallying allies/finding a means to stop the reapers + the war) and requiring a deus ex machina(crucible) and Reaper negative IQ for Shepard to win at all.

Starchild and reaper motivation were merely the mercy killing to a franchise that was turned into a blind,deaf and dumb quadriplegic by that POS ME2.

I disagree. I believe ME2 was the best game in the franchise. For me, it's the best game of all time.

I don't get your argument. ME2 didn't force ME3 to be anything, except logical and hopefully following the same narrative.

There was no pointlessness to it. That stemmed from ME3.

Whether or not you like ME2 as a game is irrelevant.

ME2 is a complete waste of time where the protagonist ends where he begins with the Galaxy no better prepared to face the reapers and without any means of stopping them and leaves us with the Reapers inside the galactic gates. The only thing that would given ME2 any relevance to the overarching story(The collector base) is rendered null and void by the option of destroying it(second only to "refuse" as the dumbest choice in the series).

Given these circumstances the only logical ending to ME3 is a reaper victory within the first few hours after taking over the Citadel and the relays. That's why ME3 is forced to used to crucible and why Reapers have less tactical and strategic knowledge than 5 yo girls.

Modifié par Seboist, 07 mai 2013 - 12:03 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seboist wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME2 is what destroyed the franchise with it's pointlessness forcing ME3 to be two games in one(rallying allies/finding a means to stop the reapers + the war) and requiring a deus ex machina(crucible) and Reaper negative IQ for Shepard to win at all.

Starchild and reaper motivation were merely the mercy killing to a franchise that was turned into a blind,deaf and dumb quadriplegic by that POS ME2.

I disagree. I believe ME2 was the best game in the franchise. For me, it's the best game of all time.

I don't get your argument. ME2 didn't force ME3 to be anything, except logical and hopefully following the same narrative.

There was no pointlessness to it. That stemmed from ME3.

Whether or not you like ME2 as a game is irrelevant.

ME2 is a complete waste of time where the protagonist ends where he begins with the Galaxy no better prepared to face the reapers and without any means of stopping them and leaves us with the Reapers inside the galactic gates.

Given these circumstances the only logical ending to ME3 is a reaper victory within the first few hours after taking over the Citadel and the relays. That's why ME3 is forced to used to crucible and why Reapers have less tactical and strategic knowledge than 5 yo girls.

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 mai 2013 - 12:08 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Starchild killed the series.

The reason the reapers can't insta-warp in and destroy everyone is because the last prothean scientists teleported to the citadel and "corrupted" the signal that tells the keepers to open the relay. This has many problems when you add the starchild to the mix.

The citadel is part of starchild, much like the Normandy is part of EDI. He also says that he is the embodiment of the collective knowledge of the reapers. Basically he's the smartest thing in the universe.

Why does he use the keepers at all? Why wouldn't he wire himself directly to the "REAP!" button? How did the scientists manage to "hack" him so badly that he was unable to do anything about it for 50,000 years? Why was Sovereign left behind if the reaper king is listening in on every conversation on the citadel? Why did Sovereign need to send a signal to activate the keepers if the Starbrat is the citadel? Sovereign indoctrinated the Rachni and used them to wage war on the galaxy for 100's of years and nearly won. Why didn't the reaper fleets fly in during that time and assist?

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

[Seival]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...
So misguided...

Can't accept the fact that there is always someone greater than you? You clearly watched/read too many badly written stories about humans supremacy. Good stories like Mass Effect Trilogy conjure so many thoughts that scare you, and conflict with your ghost.

I'm misguided? 

I can accept if someone is objectively greater than me at a skill. Or many skills.

I'm not the best Soldier in the US Army. I'm not the best Second Lieutenant in the US Army. I'm not the fastest swimmer, or the strongest lifter, or the smartest person. I'm not even the best video game player.

But I'm not any lesser than them as a person. I'm not any greater a person because of my skills.

I don't believe in "human supremacy". I am insulted that you even think that. Even more so that you think I'm scared of Mass Effect because of your invalid interpretation of me.

Seriously are you some kind of Soviet holdover or something? Stalin's grandchild perhaps? Hell, you sound like some pre-Bolshevik czar who thinks he's got the right to rule over the masses or some crap.

There is no such thing as human supremacy. That said, there is no such thing as Asari supremacy. Or Turian Supremacy. Or Leviathan supremacy. Or Reaper Supremacy. Or Catalyst supremacy.

There is nothing greater or lesser in the inherent worth of a person from their character. A Leviathan creature is bigger than me, smarter than me, stronger than me, and a lot older than me.

But it's not "better" than me. It's not "greater" than me. It has no more worth or value as an individual than me. That's why I'm insulted by their assertions. That's why I'm insulted by your assertions.

Yes, you are misguided. You are literally telling that "you can accept that someone is greater than you, but you can't accept that someone is greater than you".

Someone who is greater than you will always be more value than you. On all possible levels. Making you lesser being compared to the one who is greater. This is what you fear. This is what conflict with your ghost. This is what makes you angry. And pride fuels this anger well.

You can't consider yourself as a lesser being. But you should learn to. That was just a friendly advice. And if it angers you, then pride is too strong within you.

That's a belief. It's not objective proof at all. 

Yes it angers me greatly. And yes that stems from pride. From a damn challenge to my dignity as bloody human being.

It's not friendly advice. It's you being a complete jackass. You're free to believe what you want about you, but it's not the truth about me.

You sound like some guy who supports apartheid or segregation or something.

I'm going to assume that you think black people are lesser than white people too?

I gave you an advice. Don't like it? Feel angry about it? Just ignore it. But later don't complain that no one gave you such advice in time.

[AresKeith]

I willing to admit that ME2 is pointless in the Trilogy but its also ME3's fault for not following up on it and make Shepard waste 6 months doing nothing

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

[dreamgazer]

Blame ME1 for inventing a legion of giant, near-invincible robotic ticks who exterminate life on a cycle.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 mai 2013 - 12:20 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

I gave you an advice. Don't like it? Feel angry about it? Just ignore it. But later don't complain that no one gave you such advice in time.

It's terrible advice and will be laughed at and ignored.

I'll give you some advice. Go outside. See the world. See people for who they are and not what they are. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. And don't get all worked up. Can you give me another use for a Reaper such as the human one?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 mai 2013 - 12:21 .

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. 

And how would they have finished said Reaper? There is not neough human colonies in the Terminus system. They would have to go into Alliance space and the Collectors would have been curbstomped.

[jkflipflopDAO]

dreamgazer wrote...

Blame ME1 for inventing a legion of giant, near-invincible robotic ticks who exterminate life on a cycle.

It could have all been amazing if they would have planned the story out in advance. Instead we got 3 disjointed stories all rammed together. I've always said that before Meer recorded his first line or the programmers wrote their first line of code, the writers should have known what the reapers are, why they're reaping, and how they're going to be defeated.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. 

And how would they have finished said Reaper? There is not neough human colonies in the Terminus system. They would have to go into Alliance space and the Collectors would have been curbstomped.

True. Cerberus did kind of put a damper on things by warning the galaxy about them. But the Collectors are still formidable. Once the Reapers arrive, they'll be rather free to continue harvesting for the Reapers since the alliance (and the galaxy's) attention will be somewhere else.

But what if there are more than one Collector ships?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. 

And how would they have finished said Reaper? There is not neough human colonies in the Terminus system. They would have to go into Alliance space and the Collectors would have been curbstomped.

Hell, didn't Bioware even go so far as to debunk the idea of the human Reaper being used as a second vanguard on twitter?

[jacob taylor416]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. And don't get all worked up. Can you give me another use for a Reaper such as the human one?

That seems like the next logical step, but an assumption (no matter how plausible) is never a good bases for an argument.  Unless you found evedience stating that it was their plan, it is still an assumption. 

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 07 mai 2013 - 12:28 .

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

True. Cerberus did kind of put a damper on things by warning the galaxy about them. But the Collectors are still formidable. Once the Reapers arrive, they'll be rather free to continue harvesting for the Reapers since the alliance (and the galaxy's) attention will be somewhere else.

But what if there are more than one Collector ships?

One frigate was able to destory one Colletor ship. A frigate. Batarians are more of a threat in Alliance space then the Collectors.

[Seboist]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

True. Cerberus did kind of put a damper on things by warning the galaxy about them. But the Collectors are still formidable. Once the Reapers arrive, they'll be rather free to continue harvesting for the Reapers since the alliance (and the galaxy's) attention will be somewhere else.

But what if there are more than one Collector ships?

One frigate was able to destory one Colletor ship. A frigate. Batarians are more of a threat in Alliance space then the Collectors.

Said Collector ship also flees in terror from a few measley A A guns in a backwater colony too.

[David7204]

From a meta perspective, the Reapers going to bulldoze through the galaxy once they arrive, and that's the end of it. Anything else would be stupid.

And I know people have trouble with this, but revealing the solution to the conflict before ME 3 would have been really lame. There's no drama in it.

Modifié par David7204, 07 mai 2013 - 12:34 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

True. Cerberus did kind of put a damper on things by warning the galaxy about them. But the Collectors are still formidable. Once the Reapers arrive, they'll be rather free to continue harvesting for the Reapers since the alliance (and the galaxy's) attention will be somewhere else.

But what if there are more than one Collector ships?

One frigate was able to destory one Colletor ship. A frigate. Batarians are more of a threat in Alliance space then the Collectors.

One stealth frigate with the element of surprise and was heavily armed for a ship its size, possibly with thanix cannons, or able to get in very close and dumb-fire a crapload of disruptor torpedo's at close range.

I wonder what happened to that Turian patrol fleet? You know, the ships that were destroyed by the Collector Cruiser without damaging the ship at all?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 mai 2013 - 12:34 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jacob taylor416 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The same can be said to you. I didn't waste a moment in ME2. You might've, but I didn't. I learned a lot about the Reapers, and how they control races.

Blame the flaws in ME3 on ME3. Not ME2.

Having sex in the engine room does not count as advancing the plot.

I didn't say it did. Neither does inviting Liara onto the ship. Or even doing her mission on LotSB. It's totally optional.

I think finding out about the Reapers harvesting of organic life was pretty interesting and good. I created a crew and defeated a threat to humanity that was perpetuated by the Reapers. I stopped them from creating a new Reaper that would have been used to activate the Citadel.

Stop using headcanon as a argument.

Well, I did stop them from creating a Reaper. And don't get all worked up. Can you give me another use for a Reaper such as the human one?

That seems like the next logical step, but an assumption (no matter how plausible) is never a good bases for an argument.  Unless you found evedience stating that it was their plan, it is still an assumption. 

Well, that doesn't matter now does it? Whatever the intent for it, I destroyed it. 

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

True. Cerberus did kind of put a damper on things by warning the galaxy about them. But the Collectors are still formidable. Once the Reapers arrive, they'll be rather free to continue harvesting for the Reapers since the alliance (and the galaxy's) attention will be somewhere else.

But what if there are more than one Collector ships?

One frigate was able to destory one Colletor ship. A frigate. Batarians are more of a threat in Alliance space then the Collectors.

One stealth frigate with the element of surprise and was heavily armed for a ship its size, possibly with thanix cannons, or able to get in very close and dumb-fire a crapload of disruptor torpedo's at close range.

I wonder what happened to that Turian patrol fleet? You know, the ships that were destroyed by the Collector Cruiser without damaging the ship at all?

What turian patrol? Oh you mean the lie TIM told Shepard so she would go to the Collector ship. Ya great evidence.

[Mcfly616]

David7204 wrote...
And I know people have trouble with this, but revealing the solution to the conflict before ME 3 would have been really lame. There's no drama in it.

agreed