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[terdferguson123]

dreamgazer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I absolutely HATE with every fiber of my being the term "Star-Child". It drives me crazy when people use it becuase they are using it in a way that shows they have no idea what is going on. It is the CATALYST, not the "star-child", it's a synthetic, an AI, it is not some magical being.

"Starchild" is at least partly in reference to this.

Ok, so uh what does that have to do with the catalyst? Don't get me wrong Wintersun is a great band, and that particular song is excellent (obviously not the case if you don't like melodic death metal lol). But I still fail to see how the two are related.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 mai 2013 - 09:31 .

[dreamgazer]

 

terdferguson123 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I absolutely HATE with every fiber of my being the term "Star-Child". It drives me crazy when people use it becuase they are using it in a way that shows they have no idea what is going on. It is the CATALYST, not the "star-child", it's a synthetic, an AI, it is not some magical being.

"Starchild" is at least partly in reference to this.

Ok, so uh what does that have to do with the catalyst? Don't get me wrong Wintersun is a great band, and that particular song is excellent (obviously not the case if you don't like melodic death metal lol). But I still fail to see how the two are related.

Couple that video (published in 2011) with the lyrics and the fact that you're chatting with a child among the stars in the decision chamber, and you should hopefully have an idea why it's stuck around. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 mai 2013 - 09:41 .

[KaiserShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
That's how my Shepard sees it. He's shooting the pipe without hesitation. It's the best defined outcome, it's easily the most desirable outcome by the rest of the galaxy's opinion, and though it has its drawbacks with the deaths of Synthetics everywhere and temporarily putting the Relays out of commission, it also leaves a lot of Reaper tech laying around to exploit. And it frees the galaxy forever from the Reapers shadow. The Reapers themselves are dead. The empty husks of ships are nothing more than empty hulks with technology. We start a new and fresh, to build the future for ourselves. And the Reapers and their genocidal plans are forever ended. And yes, it does satisfy the need for vengeance and justice, outrage at the terror and cycles of obliteration that the Reapers have inflicted upon the galaxy. The Reapers don't get a voice. They never gave one to any of the other thousands of races they annihilated.

This pretty much sums up my Shepard's sentiments. 

[terdferguson123]

dreamgazer wrote...

 

terdferguson123 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I absolutely HATE with every fiber of my being the term "Star-Child". It drives me crazy when people use it becuase they are using it in a way that shows they have no idea what is going on. It is the CATALYST, not the "star-child", it's a synthetic, an AI, it is not some magical being.

"Starchild" is at least partly in reference to this.

Ok, so uh what does that have to do with the catalyst? Don't get me wrong Wintersun is a great band, and that particular song is excellent (obviously not the case if you don't like melodic death metal lol). But I still fail to see how the two are related.

Couple that video (published in 2011) with the lyrics and the fact that you're chatting with a child among the stars, and you should hopefully have an idea why it's stuck around. 

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 mai 2013 - 09:56 .

[Argolas]

dreamgazer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I absolutely HATE with every fiber of my being the term "Star-Child". It drives me crazy when people use it becuase they are using it in a way that shows they have no idea what is going on. It is the CATALYST, not the "star-child", it's a synthetic, an AI, it is not some magical being.

"Starchild" is at least partly in reference to this.

Quit referencing actual art in relation to ME3's ending

I was a Wintersun fan before even ME1 existed.

[dreamgazer]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term from starchild from this song.

*cough*

And yes, the song is from 2004, but the video was uploaded in July of 2011.

[KaiserShep]

People are going to just call it starchild anyway, because starchild.

[AresKeith]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

lol

[terdferguson123]

dreamgazer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term from starchild from this song.

*cough*

And yes, the song is from 2004, but the video was uploaded in July of 2011.

I think people are really reaching if they think the two are related in anyway, but I will let them believe what they want to believe.

Something I am curious about though: Why would people be angry if on the odd chance Bioware was inspired by this song? (or any other form of media for that matter). Artists/developers/writers/whatevers draw inspiration from each other constantly. People in that thread are saying that it's pathetic of the similarities. I know I am daily inspired by music/reading/games/tv etc. and that if I was to put my inspiration into some form of relatable media I would most definately draw connections to it. Did people think it was pathetic that Tolkien based a good chunk of his worlds based on mythology and medievil times, of which much of what we know of those times comes from literature from those periods.?? Because this is no difference, inspiration comes from anywhere.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 mai 2013 - 10:06 .

[AlanC9]

Argolas wrote...


Not outright lie. Manipulation. Telling Shepard "jump into the beam to destroy the reapers" isn't enough. Shepard must willingly accept actual Reaper doctrine, consciously or otherwise. That's indoctrination.

What does it mean to "unconsciously accept doctrine"? And how would you know someone had done that?

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 mai 2013 - 10:12 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

KaiserShep wrote...

People are going to just call it starchild anyway, because starchild.

I find it strangly appropriate to think of it as the ghost of Jake Lloyd's film career.

[Argolas]

AlanC9 wrote...

Argolas wrote...


Not outright lie. Manipulation. Telling Shepard "jump into the beam to destroy the reapers" isn't enough. Shepard must willingly accept actual Reaper doctrine, consciously or otherwise. That's indoctrination.

What does it mean to "unconsciously accept doctrine"? And how would you know someone had done that?

It means to serve the Reapers without knowing that you do that. You can see it when that person starts thinking and acting like the reapers do. The indoctrinated never want to destroy the Reapers, those who subconsciously accepted their doctrine just use other excuses for that. The Illusive Man is a good example.



Illusive Man: I know them. I know how they think.

Shepard: I think you've gotten a little too close to the enemy.

Illusive Man: No... I'm saying they've got it right. Why kill when you can control?

Paragon:

Shepard: You've been spending too much time with the enemy. They're dragging you over to their side--their way of thinking.

Illusive Man: No, I just... see things differently.

Renegade:

Shepard: The Reapers have it right? You're indoctrinated! You're doing just what they want!

Illusive Man: I could say the same of you. Wasting time on a war that can't be won.

Shepard: At least I'm fighting!

Illusive Man: Never question my ability to fight! I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine!



Controlling your enemy instead of destroying it is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.
Ascension beyond organic life being desireable is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.

Modifié par Argolas, 09 mai 2013 - 10:29 .

[Morlath]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I absolutely HATE with every fiber of my being the term "Star-Child". It drives me crazy when people use it becuase they are using it in a way that shows they have no idea what is going on. It is the CATALYST, not the "star-child", it's a synthetic, an AI, it is not some magical being.

Onto my next point, the Catalyst has a perfectly reasonable explanation for what "he" is doing, given the fact that he is a synthetic or an AI or what have you. To him, melting a bunch of organics down to their genetic material and using it to fuel Reaper's is just as much of a method of preserving organics as them remaining alive and sentient, although now in this "form" they won't destroy themselves due to the probable nature that organics given enough time will eventually create something they cannot control. (The geth very nearly did this, imagine thousands of years later when there is no Commander Shepard to save the day and the technology is even more sophisticated.)

The point that needs to be made here: The Catalyst is just fine, his logic makes perfect sense from the perspective of a synthetic with no understanding of organic moral behavior. Which is what he is.

Next point, Mass Effect has always had many themes, the OP mentions that he feels survival was the theme as opposed to sacrifice (in contrast to the developers). They are both right, both are themes of the game, but where the OP is missing understanding here is that survival comes at the expense of sacrifice. Something that Mass Effect pounds home throughout all 3 games time and time again.

Lastly, the question of: "Why is the catalyst a human boy?" and to that I bring up another question, and one that Legion also brought up: Why does EDI take a characteristically similar "human" body as her physical form? Legion asks this question and even sais that it is inneficient. She does this because it is familiar to the crew of the ship, becuase she knows that it will alter the crews thoughts about her if she chooses this familiar form. The catalyst is no different, it knows that the form of a human boy is familiar to Shepard, and one that he will sympathize with, especially this particular boy.

So very much this.

[AlanC9]

Argolas wrote...

It means to serve the Reapers without knowing that you do that. You can see it when that person starts thinking and acting like the reapers do. The indoctrinated never want to destroy the Reapers, those who subconsciously accepted their doctrine just use other excuses for that. The Illusive Man is a good example.

(Snip)

Controlling your enemy instead of destroying it is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.
Ascension beyond organic life being desireable is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.

Or ignore Reaper doctrine altogether, and make choices based on Shepard's own values without regard for whether that means rejecting the Reapers enough.

Ignore = accept?

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 mai 2013 - 11:14 .

[Tron Mega]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

i call the catalyst the starchild becuase everytime bioware sees the word 'starchild,' theyll know exactly what i mean when i say starchild. im not trying to define what a characer is by giving him a nickname, im trying to show bioware the middle finger, basically.

"look how stupid your ending is, your most hardcore fans refer to the most important character in the entirery of the MEuniverse, as "starchild." and nobody is being nice when they say starchild. and bioware knows that.

really, ill call the catalyst starchild for the rest of my life, regardless of what the catalyst is or isnt.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 09 mai 2013 - 11:13 .

[terdferguson123]

Tron Mega wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

i call the catalyst the starchild becuase everytime bioware sees the word 'starchild,' theyll know exactly what i mean when i say starchild. im not trying to define what a characer is by giving him a nickname, im trying to show bioware the middle finger, basically.

"look how stupid your ending is, your most hardcore fans refer to the most important character in the entirery of the MEuniverse, as "starchild." and nobody is being nice when they say starchild. and bioware knows that.

really, ill call the catalyst starchild for the rest of my life, regardless of what the catalyst is or isnt.

I am amused at how well my second paragraph that you quoted represents what you just said. Bravo on your butthurtedness.

I wish you had read my previous post about how most of what has been said about the catalyst makes plenty of sense, so that you could point out to me why you feel the catalyst is such a bad character and how he ruins the ending. I'm sure you will just spout of the normal talking points of "Deus ex machina!" without knowing what that actually means and without realizing that this is used in every story to some degree or another.

BTW, you are such a hardcore fan mister joined in jan 2013. You most likely only made an account so you could complain. Real hardcore fan!

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 mai 2013 - 11:29 .

[AresKeith]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

i call the catalyst the starchild becuase everytime bioware sees the word 'starchild,' theyll know exactly what i mean when i say starchild. im not trying to define what a characer is by giving him a nickname, im trying to show bioware the middle finger, basically.

"look how stupid your ending is, your most hardcore fans refer to the most important character in the entirery of the MEuniverse, as "starchild." and nobody is being nice when they say starchild. and bioware knows that.

really, ill call the catalyst starchild for the rest of my life, regardless of what the catalyst is or isnt.

I am amused at how well my second paragraph that you quoted represents what you just said. Bravo on your butthurtedness.

BTW, you are such a hardcore fan mister joined in jan 2013. You most likely only made an account so you could complain. Real hardcore fan!

Nice generalizing right there buddy

[AlanC9]

The Twilight God wrote...
Headcannon, by definition, is player-made fiction that is not derived from the source material. It represents events that do not take place in-game. Like little blue babies or Hackett having the ability to see into the future through a magical crystal ball. Nothing I have mentioned is fabricating anything that is not derived from in-game events. Ergo, it cannot be headcannon. You may choose to disagree with my conclusions concerning in-game events, but nothing I have said is fabricated. It is all supported by in-game data.

Sorry I missed this, TTG. You're quite right; "headcanon" is not the same concept as an interpretation that is opposed to the authors' intent, and I shouldn't have used it that way

As for the definition of IT, forum usage has always been that an interpretation which says that two of the four endings, at least, are indoctrinated hallucinations rather than objective reality is a form of IT. But if the IT guys want to cast you out I'll accept their judgement rather than common usage.

[terdferguson123]

AresKeith wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

i call the catalyst the starchild becuase everytime bioware sees the word 'starchild,' theyll know exactly what i mean when i say starchild. im not trying to define what a characer is by giving him a nickname, im trying to show bioware the middle finger, basically.

"look how stupid your ending is, your most hardcore fans refer to the most important character in the entirery of the MEuniverse, as "starchild." and nobody is being nice when they say starchild. and bioware knows that.

really, ill call the catalyst starchild for the rest of my life, regardless of what the catalyst is or isnt.

I am amused at how well my second paragraph that you quoted represents what you just said. Bravo on your butthurtedness.

BTW, you are such a hardcore fan mister joined in jan 2013. You most likely only made an account so you could complain. Real hardcore fan!

Nice generalizing right there buddy

Call it what you want, but he was the one who used the term "most hardcore fan" in his post about how hardcore he is. I guess I just figured that Bioware's most hardcore fan would have been posting on these forums longer.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 mai 2013 - 11:34 .

[AlanC9]

terdferguson123 wrote...

BTW, you are such a hardcore fan mister joined in jan 2013. You most likely only made an account so you could complain. Real hardcore fan!

Can we not do the "who's a bigger fan" thing? it never goes anywhere.

Even if  he started it, the point's made.

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 mai 2013 - 11:34 .

[AresKeith]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Call it what you want, but he was the one who used the term "most hardcore fan" in his post about how hardcore he is. I guess I just figured that Bioware's most hardcore fan would have been posting on these forums longer.

I'm not talking about the fan comment, nobody should use that claim because it makes the argument baseless

I'm talking saying he made his account just to complain because he join in 2013, when that's most likely not the case at all

[Argolas]

AlanC9 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

It means to serve the Reapers without knowing that you do that. You can see it when that person starts thinking and acting like the reapers do. The indoctrinated never want to destroy the Reapers, those who subconsciously accepted their doctrine just use other excuses for that. The Illusive Man is a good example.

(Snip)

Controlling your enemy instead of destroying it is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.
Ascension beyond organic life being desireable is a core concept of the Reaper doctrine. You can accept or reject it.

Or ignore Reaper doctrine altogether, and make choices based on Shepard's own values without regard for whether that means rejecting the Reapers enough.

Ignore = accept?

That's what TIM did. He did what he thought what was right and he didn't realize that the Reapers change what you think is right, as does the Catalyst try not to make Shepard care about what the Reapers have done anymore but focus on a hypothetical organic-synthetic war in the future. TIM didn't realize what was happening to him, my Shepard did. Rejecting the Reapers is everything when you fight indoctrination. Your reasons for not rejecting the Reapers don't matter- look at Saren, he wanted to save lives by brokering an alliance with the Reapers and ended up serving Sovereign.

If you have your Shepard give up his form based on a reaper's suggestions can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies and viewing the reaper itself with superstitious awe and think that's fine, that's your interpretation, I have mine.

Look in their eyes...



EDIT: I just wanted to point out that my interpretation does not invalidate Control or Synthesis. Shepard dies a few seconds later anyway, so being indoctrinated in his last moments doesn't matter. If you like Control and Synthesis and think that agreeing with Reaper doctrine (or at least acting according to it) isn't that bad and the Reapers can be allowed to exist further, it's still fine.

Modifié par Argolas, 10 mai 2013 - 12:25 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

KingZayd wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That would just make Shepard look really, really, really stupid. The Catalyst could probably kill him in an instant by just depressurizing the room.

So why hasn't it ever used any of this power throughout the series?

Because the very idea didn't exist until ME3 was over halfway done. Hence, why it's a horrible idea. Along with having two entire f'n games to foreshadow some sort of reaper weakness, but instead we get Liara pulling a super convienient, super contrived, super weapon directly from her rectum in the first 20 minutes of the final game. Unacceptable.

[Tron Mega]

terdferguson123 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lol, the song "Starchild" is from Wintersun's 2004 self-titled album, not from 2011. That is just a random picture of space, and is not even in the artwork for the album in question (I own this album) you can find a million ones that have similarites to that if you go to google and type "space images". Secondly, the lyrics have nothing in common with Mass Effect or it's story. Any connection people are drawing, is strictly becuase they WANT to find a connection between the two (strictly becuase many people on this forum seem to draw some kind of sadistic pleasure from trying to discredit Mass Effect, for reasons I cannot fathom). Anyways, I really don't think the term starchild had anything to do with that song or picture. Wintersun is nearly unheard of in popular circles (as most death metal is) and I have an extremely hard time believing that the Mass Effect community came up with the term  starchild from this song.

Point is, the term "starchild" is purely something that butthurt ending combatants came up with because they can't seem to understand that the catalyst was using that form as an attempt to familiarize itself with Shepard, something other AI's in the ME universe have done (as mentioned in my previous post, EDI's "human" body, and Legion's taking of Shepard's armor as examples)

i call the catalyst the starchild becuase everytime bioware sees the word 'starchild,' theyll know exactly what i mean when i say starchild. im not trying to define what a characer is by giving him a nickname, im trying to show bioware the middle finger, basically.

"look how stupid your ending is, your most hardcore fans refer to the most important character in the entirery of the MEuniverse, as "starchild." and nobody is being nice when they say starchild. and bioware knows that.

really, ill call the catalyst starchild for the rest of my life, regardless of what the catalyst is or isnt.

I am amused at how well my second paragraph that you quoted represents what you just said. Bravo on your butthurtedness.

BTW, you are such a hardcore fan mister joined in jan 2013. You most likely only made an account so you could complain. Real hardcore fan!

Nice generalizing right there buddy

Call it what you want, but he was the one who used the term "most hardcore fan" in his post about how hardcore he is. I guess I just figured that Bioware's most hardcore fan would have been posting on these forums longer.

i used to be The Spamming Troll, untill i got perma banned for being noncompliant. on the old forums for ME1, i used to be MEaholic. i feel like i have been here from the start. i dont know about you, i dont even care to look. i suppose i could have read more of your post, but if longevity is all that matters, i wouldnt really care.

"most hardcore" doesnt mean the best, or biowares favotire, or the ones with N7 tattoos. im talking about people who post on a forum about a game, like everyone here, on the BSN.

if you want to make logical sense of ME3s ending, im in agreement with you. sure, the leviathon are the apex species who just so happen to be neglegent fart heads who live under water. its unfortunate for everthying that happened before it, is what ME3s ending is. in my opinion.

[SpamBot2000]

Wintersun? Everyone knows "Starchild" is Paul Stanley of KISS.

Don't they teach the classics in school anymore?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 10 mai 2013 - 04:57 .