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[DarkNova50]

To be honest, I've thought about what it would be like if the Catalyst took the form of, let's say, whoever you killed on Virmire.

I think it would either make the whole conversation with the Catalyst less annoying (I hate that kid's stupid voice so ****ing much) or entice people to choose Destroy without remorse. And I'm okay with both those things.

Point is I hate the Star Child, and I hate the faux, half hearted attempts to make me care for some kid via poorly done nightmare sequences.

[PsyrenY]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I'm of the opinion that it's Shepard mind that holds the keys to the choices menu.. Unless there is another out there that bioware refuses to expose as it's author..

The kid plainly states that the Crucible created the new possibilities - not Shepard, and not itself, the Crucible. While it is "little more than" a power source, that is not the same thing as being "just" a power source; similarly, an iPhone is mostly screen and battery but the parts that make up the remainder do all the actual work. Even if the Crucible is 90% or 95% battery, the remainder is still important and that (+ the citadel and relays) is where the choices come from.

[Wayning_Star]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I'm of the opinion that it's Shepard mind that holds the keys to the choices menu.. Unless there is another out there that bioware refuses to expose as it's author..

The kid plainly states that the Crucible created the new possibilities - not Shepard, and not itself, the Crucible. While it is "little more than" a power source, that is not the same thing as being "just" a power source; similarly, an iPhone is mostly screen and battery but the parts that make up the remainder do all the actual work. Even if the Crucible is 90% or 95% battery, the remainder is still important and that (+ the citadel and relays) is where the choices come from.

I know what you're say'n, but someone had to write that choices menu? If it weren't Shepard then...

[AlanC9]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I know what you're say'n, but someone had to write that choices menu? If it weren't Shepard then...

... the designers? My guess is that they couldn't decide between Destroy and Synthesis, and Control is a TIM addition.

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 mai 2013 - 11:16 .

[KingZayd]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I'm of the opinion that it's Shepard mind that holds the keys to the choices menu.. Unless there is another out there that bioware refuses to expose as it's author..

The kid plainly states that the Crucible created the new possibilities - not Shepard, and not itself, the Crucible. While it is "little more than" a power source, that is not the same thing as being "just" a power source; similarly, an iPhone is mostly screen and battery but the parts that make up the remainder do all the actual work. Even if the Crucible is 90% or 95% battery, the remainder is still important and that (+ the citadel and relays) is where the choices come from.

It would be highly inaccurate to say that an Iphone is "little more than a screen and battery" though.

The implication of the Crucible being little more than a power source, and yet creating new possibilities is that the main function of the Crucible is to supply power and that as a result there are new possibilities. Anything else the Crucible does would be a secondary function.

This also implies that the Starchild/Citadel is what's actually carrying out the ending choice you make.

Modifié par KingZayd, 11 mai 2013 - 12:14 .

[KingZayd]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

It isn't the fact that he is a child that does it, it's the fact that this particular child is one that Shepard watch die with his own eyes, and then haunted his dreams for the rest of the game because he was unable to save him.

Right, but why would that invoke sympathy, and not, say, distrust? This kid has basically come to symbolise all the people Shepard cannot save, and the Catalyst is responsible for all their merciless deaths, the child included. There's frankly nothing sympathetic in my mind about this obvious attempt at manipulation. 

Sympathy is not the right word.

However, if the Starchild looked and sounded like Sovereign, I bet the fraction of people picking destroy/refuse would be greater. While people don't have sympathy for the child shaped hologram, there is less of a hostile reaction than to the menacing image of the Reapers. It sounds silly, and it is. But that's the whole point. It's preying on our own weaknesses.

If you watch the conversation, Shepard doesn't act as if he's talking to someone responsible for the deaths of trillions. His manner is like that of someone speaking to a child (albeit a powerful one).

[Bleachrude]

Combining two ideas I've seen.

Have the nightmares be about Virmire and let the AI take the form of the Virmire bomb victim.

Don't kill Anderson and Tim...have the AI bring both up on the platform and let Tim argue for Control and Anderson argue for Destroy...

If the EMS is high enough, THEN let the AI-Virmire Dead mention the third option, Synthesis.