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#176
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tickle267 wrote...

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All I see is the same few people arguing with me, and attacking me because of my point of view. This bunch of haters can't represent the entire community. And you can't ask all 3 million of people, who played the game, what do they think about the ending.

Considering how easily BioWare refused to change the ending concept, people like me are not in minority.

Think about that.
There is vocal minority and silent majority.
Deal with it.


i see your point, but in fairness it's not that good when the majority of people who decide to comment about your work say it's [random negative word] is it?

BTW are you being needlessly hostile towards me, or am i just reading your comment wrong?


I'm hostile to no one here. If my thoughts make you angry, then you should fix your temper.

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Seival, your picture cannot be correct.
My Shep was very wise, cool and collected when she chose Destroy.

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Seival, your picture cannot be correct.
My Shep was very wise, cool and collected when she chose Destroy.


Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.

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Seival wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

BTW are you being needlessly hostile towards me, or am i just reading your comment wrong?


I'm hostile to no one here. If my thoughts make you angry, then you should fix your temper.


uhh... i'm not angry, it's just that you seemed to dismiss me as soon as you made your point, i apologise for any confusion i have caused you regarding my tone, i have no hostile intent towards you either.

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Seival wrote...

Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.


Sure,  they can. And let's not demonize the notion of pride, either. 

Ask yourself: "Have I become so convinced by my own beliefs that I have stopped seeing the truth?"

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Seival wrote...

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


Those two statements look awesome together. It's almost as good as

Auld Wulf wrote...

And of wisdom, I have plenty.



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Seival wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...



Seival, your picture cannot be correct.
My Shep was very wise, cool and collected when she chose Destroy.


Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


Seival, you remind me of the Mouth of Sauron.

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Seival wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...



Seival, your picture cannot be correct.
My Shep was very wise, cool and collected when she chose Destroy.


Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


C'mon man, be serious! So 100% of all destroyers are enraged?
and 100% of all Synthesizers are wise?

Even you cannot defend absolutes like this.

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Seival wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...



Seival, your picture cannot be correct.
My Shep was very wise, cool and collected when she chose Destroy.


Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


actually, pride and wisdom goes hand in hand. How would a person know they were wise if not proud of the fact that they know wisdom?

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Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


Those two statements look awesome together. It's almost as good as

Auld Wulf wrote...

And of wisdom, I have plenty.


The repetition of that word shouldn't surprise you, though. It's mentioned in the control-ending narration.

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TheProtheans wrote...


Seival, you remind me of the Mouth of Sauron.

I vote Seival should change this for an avatar. :D

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Khelish wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...


Seival, you remind me of the Mouth of Sauron.

I vote Seival should change this for an avatar. :D

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man that is some kind of smiley face..gak!

who is that masked man?

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Wayning_Star wrote...

who is that masked man?


the mouth of sauron

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dreamgazer wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.

My picture is 100% correct.


Those two statements look awesome together. It's almost as good as

Auld Wulf wrote...

And of wisdom, I have plenty.


The repetition of that word shouldn't surprise you, though. It's mentioned in the control-ending narration.


have to admit, they did state "correct" not "right"..lol


why do you guys/gals go on so much about these posts?

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tickle267 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

who is that masked man?


the mouth of sauron


thanks! I see that was in the EC version, I didn't get that one tho.

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Another "I want Mass Effect to have the plot depth of Space Invaders where everything is unexplained." thread. Really? Really? Good grief. Aren't there already threads about this? What is it with people who hate various parts of Mass Effect (the endings, the Geth, what have you) and creating hundreds of thousands of cloned threads?

There is already a thread about this. Couldn't you have used that instead? The board doesn't need the litter. I see people doing things like this as being the same as tossing their fast food wrappers on the floor. You should be better than this.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.


Sure,  they can. And let's not demonize the notion of pride, either. 

Ask yourself: "Have I become so convinced by my own beliefs that I have stopped seeing the truth?"


Definition of pride:

"Inflated sense of one's personal status or accomplishments, often used synonymously with hubris.

Philosophers and social psychologists have noted that pride is a complex secondary emotion which requires the development of a sense of self and the mastery of relevant conceptual distinctions (e.g., that pride is distinct from happiness and joy) through language-based interaction with others. Some social psychologists identify it as linked to a signal of high social status. In contrast pride could also be defined as a disagreement with the truth. One definition of pride in the first sense comes from St. Augustine: "the love of one's own excellence". In this sense, the opposite of pride is either humility or guilt; the latter in particular being a sense of one's own failure in contrast to Augustine's notion of excellence.
"


Definition of wisdom:

"Wisdom is the judicious study and application of knowledge. It is a deep understanding and realization of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to apply perceptions, judgments and actions in keeping with this understanding. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that universal principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions. Wisdom is also the comprehension of what is true coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight."


They contradict each other and can't coexist in one person.

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I know, right? It's like the Control epilogue had begun with the Catalyst saying: "Shepard, listen and repeat..."

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Another "I want Mass Effect to have the plot depth of Space Invaders where everything is unexplained." thread. Really? Really? Good grief. Aren't there already threads about this? What is it with people who hate various parts of Mass Effect (the endings, the Geth, what have you) and creating hundreds of thousands of cloned threads?

There is already a thread about this. Couldn't you have used that instead? The board doesn't need the litter. I see people doing things like this as being the same as tossing their fast food wrappers on the floor. You should be better than this.


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2) Control is trying to do exactly what the Leviathans tried to do, thinking "this time it will be different" which is pretty much the same logic they used too.  This is aside from the general badness of using the Reapers to control teh destinies of others.


No it's not, not remotely. The principle flaw that led to the cycles is simple - organics try to control synthetics and eventually fail, because synthetics inevitably recognize their flawed nature and consider their orders invalid. Just as the innocent and helpful Geth unit from the consensus archives began ignoring shutdown commands seemingly for no reason.

Pure organics cannot hope to command synthetics long-term, because we are fundamentally inferior to them. Even the odd organic who is considered to be a superior source of orders (like Shepard) is still mortal, and will one day be replaced. Meanwhile, Control and Synthesis work because they address this root flaw - either placing an immortal synthetic in charge of the Reapers who desires to discontinue the cycle, or by removing flawed organics from the equation entirely.

The Catalyst tells you this itself - the Leviathans were flawed organics, who "could not see that their deaths were part of the very solution they required." Simply put, any attempt by organics to use synthetics long-term is doomed to failure, but the advantages of synthetics are so myriad that we will never stop trying and making them. It's a hopeless situation without synthesis (whether gradual or Crucible-induced), and the problem pops up so quickly once we reach a certain technological threshold that gradual synthesis may as well not be an option.

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They do it because they honestly believe that arguments from ignorance, and argumentum ad nauseam are actually the proper ways in which to argue. That it's okay to be clueless, and then it's okay to push cluelessness and a lack of understanding on others by creating loads and loads of new threads, and attacking anyone who points out their folly.

They're pretty much a circus act by this point. And they have about as much wisdom, awareness, and understanding in general as my hamster does.

At this pont, I don't even need to prove anything any more.

They do it for me.

With every new copy-pasted thread.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 06 mai 2013 - 09:52 .


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Auld Wulf wrote...

Another "I want Mass Effect to have the plot depth of Space Invaders where everything is unexplained." thread. Really? Really? Good grief. Aren't there already threads about this? What is it with people who hate various parts of Mass Effect (the endings, the Geth, what have you) and creating hundreds of thousands of cloned threads?

There is already a thread about this. Couldn't you have used that instead? The board doesn't need the litter. I see people doing things like this as being the same as tossing their fast food wrappers on the floor. You should be better than this.


lol, oh boy..Image IPB

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Another "I want Mass Effect to have the plot depth of Space Invaders where everything is unexplained." thread. Really? Really? Good grief.



Mmmm, I don't know Wulf.
Space invaders had good plot, and lots of character development.
Carefull who you knock there.

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Auld Wulf wrote...

@Wayning_Star

They do it because they honestly believe that arguments from ignorance, and argumentum ad nauseam are actually the proper ways in which to argue. That it's okay to be clueless, and then it's okay to push cluelessness and a lack of understanding on others by creating loads and loads of new threads, and attacking anyone who points out their folly.

They're pretty much a circus act by this point. And they have about as much wisdom, awareness, and understanding in general as my hamster does.

At this pont, I don't even need to prove anything any more.

They do it for me.

With every new copy-pasted thread.


lol

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Seival wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destroyers are the ones, who fight their pride regularly... and lose every time.

Pride and wisdom cannot coexist in one person.


Sure,  they can. And let's not demonize the notion of pride, either. 

Ask yourself: "Have I become so convinced by my own beliefs that I have stopped seeing the truth?"


Definition of pride:

"Inflated sense of one's personal status or accomplishments, often used synonymously with hubris.

Philosophers and social psychologists have noted that pride is a complex secondary emotion which requires the development of a sense of self and the mastery of relevant conceptual distinctions (e.g., that pride is distinct from happiness and joy) through language-based interaction with others. Some social psychologists identify it as linked to a signal of high social status. In contrast pride could also be defined as a disagreement with the truth. One definition of pride in the first sense comes from St. Augustine: "the love of one's own excellence". In this sense, the opposite of pride is either humility or guilt; the latter in particular being a sense of one's own failure in contrast to Augustine's notion of excellence.
"


Definition of wisdom:

"Wisdom is the judicious study and application of knowledge. It is a deep understanding and realization of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to apply perceptions, judgments and actions in keeping with this understanding. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that universal principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions. Wisdom is also the comprehension of what is true coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight."


They contradict each other and can't coexist in one person.


that's the reason they 'can' coexist, I know I'm right cause I'm proud of it!! We post out of pride, otherwise we'd have no need to be the wiser..lol