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[Mikoto8472]

Chris Priestly wrote...

devSin wrote...
Chris is simply without credibility on this issue. His assurance here is meaningless (even if it happens to more closely align with reality this time).

Yep, and I understand that. Back when I was part of the EA Marketing team when DA2 was in development, I pretty much had to toe the line for the people in charge. Now that I am part of the BioWare Online/Community team, I am working to rebuild trust with fans. I know this means little to you out there, but internally, it does have a difference.

It is part of the reason I post on the BSN less now. I want to be much less the heavy handed banhammer guy and become a guy liek any other member of the Dev team that when I say something, it can be believed (or at least debated rationally). I know there is work to do to build or rebuild trust with fans. Hopefully, when DA3 does come out and it isn't rushed, people will quote me and start to see me as more believeable.

A worthy goal. I hope you mean it and succeed.

[Dave of Canada]

LPPrince wrote...

Best of luck to you on that front. It'll take a lot of work from multiple sides but it can happen.

I'd agree but... It's kind of difficult to tell if it's sincere. 

[LPPrince]

Dave of Canada wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Best of luck to you on that front. It'll take a lot of work from multiple sides but it can happen.

I'd agree but... It's kind of difficult to tell if it's sincere. 

I was referring purely to Chris' attempt to change his reputation around these parts.

He can do what he can to change the outlook fans have of him and build trust back in him, but for that to really work the rest of the Bioware team needs to finaaaaally get back on their A-game and the fans have to be receptive and understanding to him.

I think it can happen. Of course there's years of mighty banhammering, lies(sounds harsh, so perhaps deception's a better word?), and such and such that fans would have to look past or forgive(not so much on the banhammering, more on the deception type things), but like I said-

I think it can happen. Hell Chris and I have butted heads in the past from time to time- but we're cool. I've got zero problems with him since we've agreed on a lot of things and disagreed on a lot of things, but there's no sense in holding animosity, which I feel some people on these boards need to learn.

But, what can you do. *shrugs*

Try, and if that doesn't work, try harder.

Modifié par LPPrince, 07 mai 2013 - 03:11 .

[Maverick827]

RepHope wrote...

Plus there's the fact that Maveric is an ass. BTW that's a great sig Mav it suits you perfectly

That's a quote from the comedian Louis C.K. in reference to immature children whining when the amazing technology we have today is not absolutely perfect, e.g. anyone who complains about a video game.

But thank you for exemplifying the type of trash I was mentioning earlier.

Modifié par Maverick827, 07 mai 2013 - 03:24 .

[MrCrabby]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Look at it this way. We know DA2 was not as popular with fans as we were hoping. Yes, it sold well, but we know that there are fans who were disappointed with aspects of the game (reusing areas like "that cave", wave combat dropping form the sky, etc) and have said that if DA3 is not better, they will pretty much give up on the series. 

"Not as popular" is like saying the Titanic is a little wet. People HATED more than "a few aspects", just read your forums and try and wipe the venom off your monitor.

The people who hated the game far far outweigh those who liked it. Just admit it...you'll feel better. You seem to also be forgetting the other things fans hated...lack of racial choices and origins. And that dialogue wheel. If you guys think just not reusing environments is enough to set things right than you are all in deep denial.

Chris Priestly wrote...

devSin wrote...
Chris is simply without credibility on this issue. His assurance here is meaningless (even if it happens to more closely align with reality this time).

Yep, and I understand that. Back when I was part of the EA Marketing team when DA2 was in development, I pretty much had to toe the line for the people in charge. Now that I am part of the BioWare Online/Community team, I am working to rebuild trust with fans. I know this means little to you out there, but internally, it does have a difference.

It is part of the reason I post on the BSN less now. I want to be much less the heavy handed banhammer guy and become a guy liek any other member of the Dev team that when I say something, it can be believed (or at least debated rationally). I know there is work to do to build or rebuild trust with fans. Hopefully, when DA3 does come out and it isn't rushed, people will quote me and start to see me as more believeable.

If it helps any, I believe you that the game isn't going to be rushed. I just think it will be a much larger version of Dragon Age 2 with all the same omissions and "features" we always hated.


On the plus side, I still find most of you quite likeable.

Modifié par MrCrabby, 07 mai 2013 - 05:00 .

[LPPrince]

MrCrabby wrote...

I just think it will be a much larger version of Dragon Age 2 with all the same omissions and "features" we always hated.

You have no idea how much that scares me.

[DarthCaine]

DA2 wasn't rushed. It was designed from the start to be a quick cheap cash-in

[KiwiQuiche]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Wow, BSN.

Why are you even surprised

[In Exile]

LPPrince wrote...
He can do what he can to change the outlook fans have of him and build trust back in him, but for that to really work the rest of the Bioware team needs to finaaaaally get back on their A-game and the fans have to be receptive and understanding to him.

Given how candid the comments we're hearing on DA2s development are, I'd say that Bioware is certainly taking to hear the various furors that have developed over their recent games. 

[Savber100]

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

[DarthCaine]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I shouldn't be. I just had thought we'd gotten over the hate.

Oh I'm sorry, is everyone supposed to kiss the feet of the never-wrong God ?

People have a right to complain if they're unsatisfied, and fanatics have a right to defend their God

Modifié par DarthCaine, 07 mai 2013 - 05:32 .

[LPPrince]

In Exile wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
He can do what he can to change the outlook fans have of him and build trust back in him, but for that to really work the rest of the Bioware team needs to finaaaaally get back on their A-game and the fans have to be receptive and understanding to him.

Given how candid the comments we're hearing on DA2s development are, I'd say that Bioware is certainly taking to hear the various furors that have developed over their recent games. 

Lets hope so, Exile. Lets hope.

[DarthCaine]

EntropicAngel wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

I shouldn't be. I just had thought we'd gotten over the hate.

Oh I'm sorry, is everyone supposed to kiss the feet of the never-wrong God ?

People have a right to complain if they're unsatisfied, and fanatics have a right to defend their God

i can't remove my quote on this phone, sorry.

but, seriously? think for a moment. i spoke of hate, and your response is that i'm kissing the feet of EA? Seriously, man, that's more than ridiculous.

My response is you're asking people that are mad to stop hating on them and love them no matter how much they screw up. Of course there's hate and there definitely should be after so many screw ups. It's criticism that made them want them to impore their games. Otherwise, DA5 would have been out by now

Modifié par DarthCaine, 07 mai 2013 - 05:48 .

[Fredward]

Bioware - crushing dreams and devouring kittens since 1995.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 07 mai 2013 - 07:26 .

[Ninja Stan]

Let's take the hostility down a notch, please. DarthCaine, there is a world of difference between "not-hating a company" and "the company can do no wrong." Liking (or not liking) something is not necessarily a binary state.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Chris Priestly wrote...

jstme wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins..with slightly over 2 years of development still were going to be seriously rushed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, I'm sorry, but this makes me laugh. DAO was in development for 6 years. "slightly over 2 years" and, especially "rushed" are phrases I never expected to be used with Dragon Age: Origins.

Look at it this way. We know DA2 was not as popular with fans as we were hoping. Yes, it sold well, but we know that there are fans who were disappointed with aspects of the game (reusing areas like "that cave", wave combat dropping form the sky, etc) and have said that if DA3 is not better, they will pretty much give up on the series.

So, from both BioWare and EA's point of view, we need to make DA3 significantly better than DA2. Simply getting the same sales & reviews that DA2 had isn't really going to be enough. BioWare and EA hope that DA3 sells really well, that critics and fans alike love the game, and they we can continue to make more games in the Dragon Age franchise in the future. This is what we want.

If you are one of the people who believe that EA doesn't really care about quality and only care about making money, the BEST way they can make money is to let us make Dragon Age 3 an amazing title so they can continue to make money for years to come. Thinking they will rush the game out and potentially end a very valuable franchise for the sake of a quick buck, just doesn't make any sense.

As I said, DA3 is not being rushed out. Work is going really well and the Dev team are hard at work making DA3 the amazing game we know it will be. No cancellations here.

To be fair with the whole"DA2 sold well" thing.A good portion of those sales were because of how good Origins was.I know quite a few people who loved Origins then bought DA2,played it,then sold it back to gamestop the next day,because they hated the huge change in gameplay...That is besides the point though.I really am hoping DA3 is a huge success,but you can't really blame fans for being skeptical.What with the whole DA2 and Mass Effect 3 fiasco.Please take as much time as you need with the game,push back the date if you believe it is necessary.Please just make Dragon Age III:Inquisition an awesome game 

Modifié par The Six Path of Pain, 07 mai 2013 - 07:50 .

[karushna5]

There was a lot wrong with DA2 but I think we forget that many people that came on here were here to complain. I know about 4 people not on here at all don't even know about the EA debate and my mild criticisms were thought to be anathema. 3 of those people also cannot hear a good word about mass effect3 so it isn't like they think Bioware can do no wrong.

While there were several mistakes with DA2, lots of people tend to love it as well, and there are still people defending it. The game lacked many of my favorite elements, and I was very disappointed but hopefully this will be better

Modifié par karushna5, 07 mai 2013 - 08:03 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Just the fact that is hasn't already released says it isn't rushed.  Resource management is still up in the air and until I play it I won't be able to judge that front, though judging by the recent past it probably won't be all that great.  But in terms of time given to develop, aka is it rushed or not, no it will at least be in excess of the typical (imo bare minimum) 2 year cycle.  Possibly 3 years, assuming its going to be delayed to early 2014 (which it almost surely will be). 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Look at it this way. We know DA2 was not as popular with fans as we were hoping. Yes, it sold well, but we know that there are fans who were disappointed with aspects of the game (reusing areas like "that cave", wave combat dropping form the sky, etc) and have said that if DA3 is not better, they will pretty much give up on the series.

Urgh. :/ You know, I haven't decided yet if I'll get DA3 (that's a while off, anyway), but I really hope you guys make it an awesome game. I have many fond memories of past Bioware titles, and think it'd be catastrophic for the fantasy/RPG genre to lose you.

(Unless you all subsequently moved to Kickstarter. >.> Then it...uh...might be the best thing ever...<.<  But still! More good Dragon Age games is good!)

[billy the squid]

Maverick827 wrote...

RepHope wrote...

Plus there's the fact that Maveric is an ass. BTW that's a great sig Mav it suits you perfectly

That's a quote from the comedian Louis C.K. in reference to immature children whining when the amazing technology we have today is not absolutely perfect, e.g. anyone who complains about a video game.

But thank you for exemplifying the type of trash I was mentioning earlier.

It's nice to know you're content to settle for mediocrity, which would go someway to giveing context to most of your posts. Because, if something exists in an imperfect state, you shouldn't point out the problem, you should accept it and be greatful. The epitome of compacency right there.  

[SeismicGravy]

Savber100 wrote...

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

With all due respect, apart from Biowares offerings when was the last time somebody produced a Star Wars game that sold in large numbers?

[Ieldra]

Chris Priestly wrote...

jstme wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins..with slightly over 2 years of development still were going to be seriously rushed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, I'm sorry, but this makes me laugh. DAO was in development for 6 years. "slightly over 2 years" and, especially "rushed" are phrases I never expected to be used with Dragon Age: Origins.

Indeed. The first time I heard of a game named Dragon Age was somewhen in 2005 I think, back then I think the information was "Bioware is working on a new project tentatively named Dragon Age".

(I have my suspicion that Bioware got in some financial straights due to the development time of DAO and that this was partly responsible for joining with EA. The timing fits my hypothesis. I guess we won't ever hear the truth about that...)

If you are one of the people who believe that EA doesn't really care about quality and only care about making money, the BEST way they can make money is to let us make Dragon Age 3 an amazing title so they can continue to make money for years to come. Thinking they will rush the game out and potentially end a very valuable franchise for the sake of a quick buck, just doesn't make any sense.

I certainly hope so. I'm suspicious of EA, but I'm absolutely willing to change my tune should DA3 turn out well. Unfortunately, ME3 didn't exactly inspire confidence. The disparate quality of different parts of the game, particularly going down towards the end, is very noticeable. Also, if I may ask: if rushing it doesn't make sense, why was it done with DA2?

Having said that, that DA3 takes significantly longer than DA2 inspires some confidence.