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[Sanunes]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

With all due respect, apart from Biowares offerings when was the last time somebody produced a Star Wars game that sold in large numbers?

I thought Knights of the Old Repblic 2 did well and that was from Obsidian, but I really don't follow franchises.  Personally I was interested in 1313, but that got canned.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Yes, if their empire is too faint to be damaged by your pitiful boycotts and the villainization of EA by the media!

[robertthebard]

Filament wrote...

A bioware fan who doubles down on violating the site rules without regret would be about the easiest ban decision to make, while someone who violates the site rules because they're upset with the company but may moderate their tone if asked is not so clear. It's not crazy at all.

So one faction violating forum rules is ok, but another faction pointing it out isn't ok, because reasons?  I am a staunch supporter of BioWare "Taking Back" their forums.  In the early days of ME 3, it was absolutely necessary.  A violation of the rules is a violation, anyone committing a violation should be open to the same punishment, and it shouldn't be "well, I had a point, xxx was bad, so I have the right to troll, threaten, violate ToS rules to post my opinon".

There is far too little information for me to say "DA I is rushed because EA is closing xxxx", or to say "DA I is rushed because a BioWare employee said it's not, and well, they must be lying".  So, before we start passing judgment on BioWare, BioWare employees or the game, how about we wait until we have something to point at and say "see, I was right".

[Sanunes]

robertthebard wrote...

Filament wrote...

A bioware fan who doubles down on violating the site rules without regret would be about the easiest ban decision to make, while someone who violates the site rules because they're upset with the company but may moderate their tone if asked is not so clear. It's not crazy at all.

So one faction violating forum rules is ok, but another faction pointing it out isn't ok, because reasons?  I am a staunch supporter of BioWare "Taking Back" their forums.  In the early days of ME 3, it was absolutely necessary.  A violation of the rules is a violation, anyone committing a violation should be open to the same punishment, and it shouldn't be "well, I had a point, xxx was bad, so I have the right to troll, threaten, violate ToS rules to post my opinon".

There is far too little information for me to say "DA I is rushed because EA is closing xxxx", or to say "DA I is rushed because a BioWare employee said it's not, and well, they must be lying".  So, before we start passing judgment on BioWare, BioWare employees or the game, how about we wait until we have something to point at and say "see, I was right".

I think that is also part of the reason why they haven't been talking at all about the game, for I believe they have talked about other games in the past more then they have about Inquisition, but because of how everything has been taken out of context or how people expect it to never to change after another year of development we really won't know anything sustantial for awhile.

[LinksOcarina]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

With all due respect, apart from Biowares offerings when was the last time somebody produced a Star Wars game that sold in large numbers?

You mean this.

And I hated the Force Unleashed, mind you.

[SeismicGravy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

With all due respect, apart from Biowares offerings when was the last time somebody produced a Star Wars game that sold in large numbers?

You mean this.

And I hated the Force Unleashed, mind you.

A fair point, however the sequel was a disaster in comparison.

Modifié par SeismicGravy, 07 mai 2013 - 02:44 .

[LinksOcarina]

SeismicGravy wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

"EA signs deal with Disney to become a major producer of Star Wars games"

Yeah totally a sign of a dying company there..

With all due respect, apart from Biowares offerings when was the last time somebody produced a Star Wars game that sold in large numbers?

You mean this.

And I hated the Force Unleashed, mind you.

A fair point, however the sequel was a disaster in comparison.

You did ask for the "last time" they had a big hit game. 


Keep in mind LucasArts has been in shambles since 2006, the fact that they struck gold with Force Unleashed pretty much kept them going for another five years id argue. 

The potential for good is here in terms of this business deal. It is not the best baromoeter for EA's financial situation however, but it does show EA has an intangible assets of clout and experience, which is honestly enough to keep them going.

[Chris Priestly]

This really isn't Dragon Age related anymore. Someone bring it back on topic, or the thread will be closed.

There is a thread in teh Off Topic forum discussing EA's new Star Wars deal if you want to continue discussing that topic.

[LPPrince]

Well, when did development really begin on DA3 anyway? Post-Exalted March DLC development?

Or did it start immediately after DA2 launched and only after a certain point did someone say, "Lets leave DA2 as is and move on to our next project"?

[chuckles471]

@robertthebard

"DA I is rushed because a BioWare employee said it's not, and well, they must be lying" with paraphrasing like that you could work at a tabloid newspaper.


I never said DA 3 "is" being rushed and I never said they were "lying". I just said their is no way of knowing because they would never admit a game being rushed pre-release(Bioware are in the business of selling games). And the only way to judge it, is by playing the game. Huge difference.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Chris Priestly wrote...

jstme wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins..with slightly over 2 years of development still were going to be seriously rushed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, I'm sorry, but this makes me laugh. DAO was in development for 6 years. "slightly over 2 years" and, especially "rushed" are phrases I never expected to be used with Dragon Age: Origins.

Look at it this way. We know DA2 was not as popular with fans as we were hoping. Yes, it sold well, but we know that there are fans who were disappointed with aspects of the game (reusing areas like "that cave", wave combat dropping form the sky, etc) and have said that if DA3 is not better, they will pretty much give up on the series.

So, from both BioWare and EA's point of view, we need to make DA3 significantly better than DA2. Simply getting the same sales & reviews that DA2 had isn't really going to be enough. BioWare and EA hope that DA3 sells really well, that critics and fans alike love the game, and they we can continue to make more games in the Dragon Age franchise in the future. This is what we want.

If you are one of the people who believe that EA doesn't really care about quality and only care about making money, the BEST way they can make money is to let us make Dragon Age 3 an amazing title so they can continue to make money for years to come. Thinking they will rush the game out and potentially end a very valuable franchise for the sake of a quick buck, just doesn't make any sense.

As I said, DA3 is not being rushed out. Work is going really well and the Dev team are hard at work making DA3 the amazing game we know it will be. No cancellations here.

lol @ two year development for Origins.

Both DA2 and ME3 felt like rushed products to me. Whatever the reasons were for not having more time, I really don't care at this point. All I ask is that BioWare deliver a great product that is up to the standards of their previous games. I think that's reasonable.

[Sanunes]

LPPrince wrote...

Well, when did development really begin on DA3 anyway? Post-Exalted March DLC development?

Or did it start immediately after DA2 launched and only after a certain point did someone say, "Lets leave DA2 as is and move on to our next project"?

Actually probably before that.  If I had to guess it would have been started around the time the pre-production of Exalted March ending it was the next product they started on, so it could have been easily been months before they pulled the plug on Exalted March.

[Kingthlayer]

I highly doubt EA is losing much money. Sure they've had a couple games that didn't sell as well as they were hoping.

Plus they have The Simpsons Tapped Out, that thing has to be bringing them more than enough money.

Also it doesn't look at all like Dragon Age 3 is being rushed, we've heard very little about the game so far, if it was being rushed I would expect either more information or hell even the game being out by now.

[SeismicGravy]

chuckles471 wrote...

@robertthebard

"DA I is rushed because a BioWare employee said it's not, and well, they must be lying" with paraphrasing like that you could work at a tabloid newspaper.


I never said DA 3 "is" being rushed and I never said they were "lying". I just said their is no way of knowing because they would never admit a game being rushed pre-release(Bioware are in the business of selling games). And the only way to judge it, is by playing the game. Huge difference.

To be fair, Duke Nukem 3D was in development for 15 years, and look how bad that turned out.

I think the best option avaliable at the moment is to simply be patient, and wait for the finished product. Only then can we get a truely accurate impression.

[LPPrince]

Sanunes wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Well, when did development really begin on DA3 anyway? Post-Exalted March DLC development?

Or did it start immediately after DA2 launched and only after a certain point did someone say, "Lets leave DA2 as is and move on to our next project"?

Actually probably before that.  If I had to guess it would have been started around the time the pre-production of Exalted March ending it was the next product they started on, so it could have been easily been months before they pulled the plug on Exalted March.

Yeah, it could've been a lot of things. I'm hoping we find out when, because then we can really judge how long development's been going on.

[LPPrince]

SeismicGravy wrote...

To be fair, Duke Nukem 3D was in development for 15 years, and look how bad that turned out.

I think the best option avaliable at the moment is to simply be patient, and wait for the finished product. Only then can we get a truely accurate impression.

Aye. You can "start" development whenever, but if dev really only occurs in say the last 6 months, you can still say "dev lasted sooo long" when in reality it wasn't as much time as we thought.

[LinksOcarina]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Edit: Sorry, Chris. Didn't see. On the topic, I would reiterate that I disagree that DA will be "rushed"...and EA seems to be in acceptable financial shape. Not necessarily good, but acceptable. 

Pretty much this.  I predicted a while ago EA was going to slim itself down as a company if the financial issues begin to mount. Since they posted a loss for the fiscal year and a change in leadership, we are seeing that happen.

The real question financailly though is what is EA losing in the end by gutting the mobile, social and "casual" markets a bit?  It was a good initiative that was forward thinking in trying to blend the markets like Valve did, but I think the problem was they had too many projects at once. 

EA as a company is not going anywhere though, which is a good thing for the industry, despite what people feel about them.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 07 mai 2013 - 03:53 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

SeismicGravy wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

@robertthebard

"DA I is rushed because a BioWare employee said it's not, and well, they must be lying" with paraphrasing like that you could work at a tabloid newspaper.


I never said DA 3 "is" being rushed and I never said they were "lying". I just said their is no way of knowing because they would never admit a game being rushed pre-release(Bioware are in the business of selling games). And the only way to judge it, is by playing the game. Huge difference.

To be fair, Duke Nukem 3D was in development for 15 years, and look how bad that turned out.

I think the best option avaliable at the moment is to simply be patient, and wait for the finished product. Only then can we get a truely accurate impression.

It was bad because it was in development for so long.

[LilyasAvalon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No. DA3 will not be rushed.

Just to let you know, I've already taken the liberty of screenshotting and framing that, so I can hold you guys to it.

No offence to Bioware in general, I love the heck outta you guys but I've already been hurt twice damnit.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 07 mai 2013 - 03:54 .

[LinksOcarina]

EntropicAngel wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Just to let you know, I've already taken the liberty of screenshotting and framing that, so I can hold you guys to it.

No offence to Bioware in general, I love the heck outta you guys but I've already been hurt twice damnit.

I would encourage you not to be so emotionally invested in a video game.

I was like that, once. I got burned. But, I learned my lesson.

I can't help but be emotionally invested. 

As for getting burned, I don't know why that keeps happening to some of you guys.