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[Monica21]

EntropicAngel wrote...
Yes, you can. It's a choice. It's always a choice.

People get burned because there's something they hate in something they love.

Multiplayer was mine. I was devastated when we found out. But in time I got over it, and I learned that I needed to have better control over myself.

See, that's just boring, and also does nothing to change the direction of BioWare. If everyone decides to just suck it up and be okay with products that have unnecessary features or is just poorly produced, then games will just continue to get worse and appeal to the lowest common denominator. *cough*Skyrim*cough* I'm totally fine with telling a developer that X, Y, and Z aren't okay and that I won't buy their product anymore. I was leaning towards buying Skyrim until I read the quote that it was an RPG for people who don't like RPGs. Clearly I was not Bethesda's target market, so I didn't buy it. If I read something similar from Bioware, if in future announcements there is a major feature that completely turns me off the series, then I won't be buying Inquisition. I can still play Origins, after all. 

And that's why it's okay to rip a game company apart for a bad product.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

EntropicAngel wrote...

No one said you had to be okay with it.

You leave.

I know someone who didn't care for the direction Bioware and EA was taking. ME3 was a big part of it. But he didn't come on here and vomit all over the forums. He left.

There's a difference between stating what you did not like, how to improve it, and "rip[ing] a game company apart." Or petty, laughable threats like "I won't buy your games anymore!"


As Mr. Woo said, people don't seem to realize that there's a middle ground between two extremes.

Makes sense. I think people get so emotionally invested in games today and that's one of the reasons why they feel it necessary to trash a company when they put out a product that they didn't find satisfactory. I've been there myself. It's almost treated like a betrayal.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 07 mai 2013 - 04:29 .

[Ravensword]

EntropicAngel wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I can't help but be emotionally invested. 

As for getting burned, I don't know why that keeps happening to some of you guys. 

Yes, you can. It's a choice. It's always a choice.

People get burned because there's something they hate in something they love.

Multiplayer was mine. I was devastated when we found out. But in time I got over it, and I learned that I needed to have better control over myself.

Which is ironic considering that MP is probably the best part of the game.

[Lobos1988]

I have not been at BSN long, but I'm really amazed how many ****storms I had to read to filter out actual interesting information... I can understand the devs drawing out of BSN, hell I think that most of the guys throwing mud around would go fetal in some dark corner and cry for days when they had to hear stuff about they're work that was as bad as the things some people in here are throwing at them...

[Mathias]

Korusus wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

devSin wrote...
Chris is simply without credibility on this issue. His assurance here is meaningless (even if it happens to more closely align with reality this time).

Yep, and I understand that. Back when I was part of the EA Marketing team when DA2 was in development, I pretty much had to toe the line for the people in charge. Now that I am part of the BioWare Online/Community team, I am working to rebuild trust with fans. I know this means little to you out there, but internally, it does have a difference.

Can I just say, as someone who completely lost faith in BioWare after DA2, your comments in this thread are both encouraging and refreshing.  Thanks for being honest Chris.  I would have at least understood a lot of DA2's shortcomings if BioWare had been honest about them from the beginning. Instead...well I'll just leave it with this:  ahem.../clearsthroat....BUTTON AWESOME!

Boy are you easy to manipulate.

Two things (really three):

1) I've been on BioWare's forums since 2003, been reading Chris Priestly's posts for years, follow him on twitter, etc. etc., I've never seen him be as candid about anything as he has been in this thread.

2) We've gone from BioWare refusing...refusing to admit that Dragon Age 2 had any flaws whatsoever, to what we have now where Chris even had veiled criticism for the marketing of the game (which was a huge problem).

Not sure why I responded since you're just trolling, but with how quiet they've been about DA3, and with every indication that they are actually taking their time and not marketing this game as "AWESOME BUTTON" 6 months after DA2's release, fills me with plenty of (albeit lukewarm) confidence.  

1. If you've been on here for that long, then you should know by now to take everything he says with a grain of salt. The man has flat out been caught in lies before, or at least stretching the truth.

2. They already acknowledged it was a disappointment two years ago. This is not news.

[Cainhurst Crow]

billy the squid wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

RepHope wrote...

Plus there's the fact that Maveric is an ass. BTW that's a great sig Mav it suits you perfectly

That's a quote from the comedian Louis C.K. in reference to immature children whining when the amazing technology we have today is not absolutely perfect, e.g. anyone who complains about a video game.

But thank you for exemplifying the type of trash I was mentioning earlier.

It's nice to know you're content to settle for mediocrity, which would go someway to giveing context to most of your posts. Because, if something exists in an imperfect state, you shouldn't point out the problem, you should accept it and be greatful. The epitome of compacency right there.  

You have never seen louis c.k's stand up or heard any of his comments, have you? In context, that line is about stupid people who do things like complain that their phones internet is too slow, and who make it such a big deal about it and make no aknowledgement of how amazing it is their technology really is. Essentially, it is about people who only complain about things.

Here, enjoy some very good comedy.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 07 mai 2013 - 05:36 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

greengoron89 wrote...

I have to respect Mr. Priestly's candidness here, indeed. A person willing to level with fans like that is worthy of respect, in spite of all the controversy and vitriol in the last few years.

As I said, I personally want DA3 to succeed. DA:O is one of my favorite games ever and the series has immense potential. DA2 was a misstep but it's not too late to rebound with a successful (both monetarily and critically) followup... and I hope you will, Bioware, because DA:O deserves it.

To be fair, DA2 scored high amongst the gaming press. It was the fan reaction that told a very different story. One could interpret this in a few ways. Either the gaming press aren't critical enough of the games they review or fans are being overly critical. I like to think it's a bit of both most of the time. However, in this case, I think the fans were pretty spot on about all the things wrong with this sequel.

[Leanansidhe]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I have to respect Mr. Priestly's candidness here, indeed. A person willing to level with fans like that is worthy of respect, in spite of all the controversy and vitriol in the last few years.

As I said, I personally want DA3 to succeed. DA:O is one of my favorite games ever and the series has immense potential. DA2 was a misstep but it's not too late to rebound with a successful (both monetarily and critically) followup... and I hope you will, Bioware, because DA:O deserves it.

To be fair, DA2 scored high amongst the gaming press. It was the fan reaction that told a very different story. One could interpret this in a few ways. Either the gaming press aren't critical enough of the games they review or fans are being overly critical. I like to think it's a bit of both most of the time. However, in this case, I think the fans were pretty spot on about all the things wrong with this sequel.

I think the fans, on the internet, are being overly critical.  I'll never understand the idea that everyone hated this game.  They didn't.  The last time I checked, it was rated 4 1/2 stars out of 5 on XBox Live.  With something like 50,000 people rating it.  That's not a small sample size.

Yes, it had some minor issues, but people blew them totally out of proportion.  But, I guess that's what all the e-kids are doing these days.  Someday, there will be a lot of people with ulcers, gastric reflux, and a host of other disorders, if they keep letting such petty crap bother them so much.

If you get this worked up over entertainment, you should probably not consider it entertainment anymore.

Also, I've been on the forums since the Baldur's Gate days.  I saw Chris show up.  His snarky ways aren't for everyone, but I've always appreciated the fact that he's willing to talk to us.  Even when people are being total brats.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

SKRemaks wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I have to respect Mr. Priestly's candidness here, indeed. A person willing to level with fans like that is worthy of respect, in spite of all the controversy and vitriol in the last few years.

As I said, I personally want DA3 to succeed. DA:O is one of my favorite games ever and the series has immense potential. DA2 was a misstep but it's not too late to rebound with a successful (both monetarily and critically) followup... and I hope you will, Bioware, because DA:O deserves it.

To be fair, DA2 scored high amongst the gaming press. It was the fan reaction that told a very different story. One could interpret this in a few ways. Either the gaming press aren't critical enough of the games they review or fans are being overly critical. I like to think it's a bit of both most of the time. However, in this case, I think the fans were pretty spot on about all the things wrong with this sequel.

I think the fans, on the internet, are being overly critical.  I'll never understand the idea that everyone hated this game.  They didn't.  The last time I checked, it was rated 4 1/2 stars out of 5 on XBox Live.  With something like 50,000 people rating it.  That's not a small sample size.

Yes, it had some minor issues, but people blew them totally out of proportion.  But, I guess that's what all the e-kids are doing these days.  Someday, there will be a lot of people with ulcers, gastric reflux, and a host of other disorders, if they keep letting such petty crap bother them so much.

If you get this worked up over entertainment, you should probably not consider it entertainment anymore.

Also, I've been on the forums since the Baldur's Gate days.  I saw Chris show up.  His snarky ways aren't for everyone, but I've always appreciated the fact that he's willing to talk to us.  Even when people are being total brats.

I don't think everyone hated the game. But the general consensus amongst fans is that it, at the very least, wasn't as good as Origins. At worst, it was a disaster that crushed their souls and sent them into a deep state of depression for which they will never truly recover from. Oh, wait. That was the ME3 ending.

I'm in the middle. I think it was a bad game by BioWare standards and an average game by industry standards.

[Noctis Augustus]

J. Reezy wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
I was leaning towards buying Skyrim until I read the quote that it was an RPG for people who don't like RPGs. Clearly I was not Bethesda's target market, so I didn't buy it.

Somebody on the dev team actually said that!?

LolNo it was RPGCodex. The same people who said The Witcher 2 was designed from the ground up for Xbox players.

Skyrim has everything required from an RPG: The player controls the actions of a protagonist as this character lives immersed in a fictional world. The player in RPGs controls one character, or several adventuring party members, fulfilling one or many quests. It has developed story-telling and narrative elements, player character development, complexity, as well as replayability and immersion.

This is one of the very rare RPGs in which I can immerse myself in. Someone actually manages/likes to play DAII but won't play Skyrim because someone said "it was an RPG for people who don't like RPGs"? Are you serious?

[LPPrince]

I never played an Elder Scrolls title before Skyrim, and I only got it because a lovely friend of mine got me into it. Thank God she did, because looking back, if I missed out on it, I would beat the crap out of my past self.

I wish I could say the same about Bioware's latest offerings. Maybe if more people feel the way Chris does, we may actually get a title worth beating the crap out of our past selves for avoiding it.

[Wonderllama4]

I hope Dragon Age 3 comes out 2015. I wouldn't mind waiting that long. Four years removed from DA2... surely that would be enough time!

[LPPrince]

Only if productive things happen during that amount of development time.

[Noctis Augustus]

greengoron89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I have to respect Mr. Priestly's candidness here, indeed. A person willing to level with fans like that is worthy of respect, in spite of all the controversy and vitriol in the last few years.

As I said, I personally want DA3 to succeed. DA:O is one of my favorite games ever and the series has immense potential. DA2 was a misstep but it's not too late to rebound with a successful (both monetarily and critically) followup... and I hope you will, Bioware, because DA:O deserves it.

To be fair, DA2 scored high amongst the gaming press. It was the fan reaction that told a very different story. One could interpret this in a few ways. Either the gaming press aren't critical enough of the games they review or fans are being overly critical. I like to think it's a bit of both most of the time. However, in this case, I think the fans were pretty spot on about all the things wrong with this sequel.

The fairest criticism I can give DA2 is that it wasn't a bad game... it was just a bad DA game. DA:O naturally set a mark that all future DA games would be judged by... and since fans many felt DA2 missed that mark (myself included), it was criticized accordingly.

So DA3 needs less DA2 and more DA:O in the mix if it's gonna be seen as a "return to form" by people. Bioware PR said that's what they were shooting for, so we'll see how it goes. I'll withhold judgment on that front until a bigger reveal for the game drops.

Most game reviewers are easily influenced and corruptable (I think I saw a video about that). DAII is an average game and a bad RPG.

Modifié par ibbikiookami, 07 mai 2013 - 08:03 .

[MrCrabby]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
To be fair, DA2 scored high amongst the gaming press. It was the fan reaction that told a very different story. One could interpret this in a few ways. Either the gaming press aren't critical enough of the games they review or fans are being overly critical. I like to think it's a bit of both most of the time. However, in this case, I think the fans were pretty spot on about all the things wrong with this sequel.

A major studio could put out a child abuse simulator and still get high scores from the gaming "press". I want the game to be great because I love Origins and it's style of RPG. I'm just not optimistic based on the comments the developers have already made.

[Scroll]

scyphozoa wrote...

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This forum community should only exist for people who actually want to be here, not for everyone who everyone buys a game and is forced to sign up.

I really don't understand why these people are here? Why? I'm mostly lurking or hiding in old threads so I don't have read about these people's hate. I don't want to listen for the tensmilliontrillion time why they think I shouldn't love my favourite game because they Hate it. I am tired of people thinking its OK to be rude just because its possible. 

I come here to share a fandom, but haters are driving me away. Slowly but surely. 

[LPPrince]

greengoron89 wrote...

So DA3 needs less DA2 and more DA:O in the mix if it's gonna be seen as a "return to form" by people. Bioware PR said that's what they were shooting for, so we'll see how it goes. I'll withhold judgment on that front until a bigger reveal for the game drops.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hoooooold it.

They said(repeatedly) that they were going to try to mix the best of both worlds into DA3, and at no point clarified exactly what they meant by that(as in what the best of DAO and best of DA2 actually were).

I don't recall them ever saying they were going to put more DAO than DA2 into DA3.

Believe me, I WISH that were the case, but I highly doubt it will be.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If you are one of the people who believe that EA doesn't really care about quality and only care about making money, the BEST way they can make money is to let us make Dragon Age 3 an amazing title so they can continue to make money for years to come. Thinking they will rush the game out and potentially end a very valuable franchise for the sake of a quick buck, just doesn't make any sense.

It would make sense if they were desperate (recall Interplay's final years of relevance), but I doubt they're desperate.

I find your argument persuasive.