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[Sir DeLoria]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

he gets promoted from ex-cop, to spec ops officer

That's "being given a job", not a promotion.

to advisor who somehow outranks Generals in 6 months.

He doesn't outrank generals but they chose to listen to his advice; a general does not have to be a technical expert in every detail of military operations - that's what their expert subordinates are for.

Right, so that's why the Generals salute him and treat him like a higher ranking officer. He wasn't given a job, he got an entire spec ops unit to command.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ah yes, Garrus. Garrus got someone who never listened to him to listen. His father who took Garrus' case to the Primarch. The Primarch gave him a task force. This made Garrus heroic. When the Reapers arrived this proved Garrus correct and thus he got promoted.

Now I've kind of figured out how the meritocracy works. Because of Garrus' experience, luck, and heroism, Garrus became one of the run of the mill primarchs in the government. This is the place that Garrus doesn't like to talk about when you mention Generals saluting.

These Primarchs have a meeting with the Chief Primarch (Vedorian now Victus) via conference call once every couple of weeks.

Shepard ends up in lock up. Therefore Garrus is more heroic than Shepard.

Shepard gets punished for acts of heroism while everyone around Shepard gets rewarded making them more heroic.

Conrad Verner even gets a moment of heroism.

And I hate to say this but Kai Leng has two moments of heroism over Shepard, even though Shepard defeats him in the end. 1) He killed Thane; 2) He stole Vendetta and made Shepard blow up at his pilot.

It is sad.

[AlexMBrennan]

He wasn't given a job, he got an entire spec ops unit to command.

My point (the usual snarky sophistry) was that going from "unemployed" to "employed" is not a promotion; if you are fighting a complete unknown enemy like Reapers then it makes sense to headhunt someone with a some experience fighting a Reaper to deal with the thread (e.g. like hackers get headhunted for computer security jobs)

The excitation might be bad, but the idea - the generals in charge recruiting an expert on Reapers, and following the experts advice - is sound in principle.

so that's why the Generals salute him

I'm not a military man and it's been ages since I played the game, but don't salutes involve two offering/returning a salute?

In any case, who are the generals you are referring to?

[AlexMBrennan]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

He wasn't given a job, he got an entire spec ops unit to command.

My point (the usual snarky sophistry) was that going from "unemployed" to "employed" is not a promotion; if you are fighting a complete unknown enemy like Reapers then it makes sense to headhunt someone with a some experience fighting a Reaper to deal with the thread (e.g. like hackers get headhunted for computer security jobs)

The excitation might be bad (e.g. salutes you mentioned), but the idea - the generals in charge recruiting an expert on Reapers, and following the experts advice - is sound in principle.

so that's why the Generals salute him

I'm not a military man and it's been ages since I played the game, but don't salutes involve two offering/returning a salute?

In any case, who are the generals you are referring to?

[Br3admax]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Heroic does not mean incredulous and nonsensical. A hero is someone who performs notable deeds of bravery that others aspire to. All of Mass Effect is about how Shepard is the hero of humanity. Anderson sets up the very first game as such, "Humanity needs a hero, and Shepard is the best we have."

I don't agree with everyone treating Shepard like Space Jesus, but the fact of the matter is, that others look up to Shepard as a role model, and that is what defines a hero.

Javik is more heroic than Shepard.

Note when Shepard and Javik are together. "oh You're Commander Shepard!"

No...... It's Javik they're interested in. When Javik leaves, you're a nobody. You are not heroic. Javik is heroic.

Absolutely true. Nobody ever disputed this. 

[David7204]

A hero is a good and powerful character.

That's it. It's that simple.

Others don't necessarily have to aspire to him. In fact, he can be utterly despised. Or utterly unknown.

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 12:04 .

[Br3admax]

Why don't you actually learn what a hero is? Are you saying that a firefighter can't be a hero? Really? Firefighter have to neither be good or powerful, but they can still be heroes.

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

Why don't you actually learn what a hero is? Are you saying that a firefighter can't be a hero? Really? Firefighter have to neither be good or powerful, but they can still be heroes.

Yeah, except David's talking about heroes in fiction, and specifically, heroes in Mass Effect's uncomplicated area of fiction. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 20 août 2013 - 01:58 .

[LiarasShield]

If I was shepard I would've kept trying to find a way to beat the reapers without the catalyst or the crucible just that simple

[Sir DeLoria]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

so that's why the Generals salute him

I'm not a military man and it's been ages since I played the game, but don't salutes involve two offering/returning a salute?

In any case, who are the generals you are referring to?

Not necessarily, usually the lower ranking officer salutes the the higher ranking officer. Returning the salute is only required if two officers are of the same rank. This might differ from country to country.

In any event, when first arriving on Palaven, Garrrus walks to the field HQ and everyone including General Corinthus stand at attention and salute him. 

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Why don't you actually learn what a hero is? Are you saying that a firefighter can't be a hero? Really? Firefighter have to neither be good or powerful, but they can still be heroes.

Yeah, except David's talking about heroes in fiction, and specifically, heroes in Mass Effect's uncomplicated area of fiction. 

Mass Effect is in a version of our universe. I doubt the meaning of hero is any different in 2183 than it is in 2013.

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Why don't you actually learn what a hero is? Are you saying that a firefighter can't be a hero? Really? Firefighter have to neither be good or powerful, but they can still be heroes.

Yeah, except David's talking about heroes in fiction, and specifically, heroes in Mass Effect's uncomplicated area of fiction. 

Mass Effect is in a version of our universe. I doubt the meaning of hero is any different in 2183 than it is in 2013.

In universe, no. 

But we aren't talking about what the word 'hero' means in the real world, or in the fictional world of Mass Effect, or at least, I'm not, and neither is David. We're talking about the concept of a hero in a work of fiction.

[Br3admax]

You have no idea what your talking about. The Illiad, the Odyssey, true epics. It's really hard to have a serious conversation with someone who uses their opinion as fact. You two saw examples of heroes and said that's it. There's a lot more to a hero than that.

[jhon shepard.4]

well i am shepard{my version} and i say i will be in the next game.lol

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

You have no idea what your talking about. The Illiad, the Odyssey, true epics. It's really hard to have a serious conversation with someone who uses their opinion as fact. You two saw examples of heroes and said that's it. There's a lot more to a hero than that.

Is this a response to me? Because I have no idea what you're talking about now. I'm not using my opinion as fact, and I have no idea what these examples of heroes are or what I've decided from them. 

[BronzTrooper]

TheMyron wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

When the Council says that there isn't any proof that Sovereign wasn't built by the Geth, I'd bring up the fact that Benezia said that it is too advanced for any known species to have built it. I'd also have had Saren's personal files from Virmire to present to them after I left Ash (or Kaidan) behind to become one with the radioactive fallout. You'd think that would have been something Shepard SHOULD have thought of...

They would respond:

1.) Ah yes Benezia, In case you have forgotten, she had turned traitor and was more than likely lying to you to spread fear.

2.) They are all false, forget about them, Join us for dinner, do you want red or white wine?

3.) My personal response: You dare sacrifice a chick?

It depends on my playthrough.  Most of the time, when I play MaleShep I leave Ash on Virmire, when I play FemShep I leave Kaidan.  This changes if I'm romancing either of them.  I'm mostly indifferent about them as characters and I hardly use either of them as squadmates in ME1 anyway.  I'm tempted to  to do a MaleShep playthrough were I romance Ash, then leave her for Tali.

[Br3admax]

I'm going to just drop this conversation, it's going nowhere.

Anyway, Don't live Ash for Tali, she won't get angry enough at you. Leave her for anybody but Tali. Sure she'll get angry at Tali, but if you romance Miranda or Jack it's more eventful during the hospital visit.

[TheMyron]

How does anyone think the confrontation b/w Shepard and Kai Leng would have been like if Shepard was either an N7 Slayer (Maleshep) or N7 Shadow (Femshep)?

[The Night Mammoth]

TheMyron wrote...

How does anyone think the confrontation b/w Shepard and Kai Leng would have been like if Shepard was either an N7 Slayer (Maleshep) or N7 Shadow (Femshep)?

Exactly the same.

Kai Leng would have had his punk ass handed to him wrapped in a little red bow until stupid game mechanics and cutcenes intervened.

[TheMyron]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

How does anyone think the confrontation b/w Shepard and Kai Leng would have been like if Shepard was either an N7 Slayer (Maleshep) or N7 Shadow (Femshep)?

Exactly the same.

Kai Leng would have had his punk ass handed to him wrapped in a little red bow until stupid game mechanics and cutcenes intervened.

Well, suppose the cutscenes were readjusted for this hypothetical situation, like the bits of conversation b/w the two?

[Hadeedak]

If cutscenes adjusted to show how I tend to interact with the world as a vanguard in 2 or 3, Shepard would never know what's going on. She'd just see the world through a blue glow.

My current playthrough is a vanguard with no ranged abilities whatsoever leveled. Barrier. Shotgun only used. Melee-heavy. I'm in 2 right now. All points in charge. Playing on insanity. It's insanely fun. I punched the shadow broker to death. To be fair, that's how I usually vanguard, but I'm purposely ignoring ranged abilities completely and all weapons that aren't huge shotguns.

If cutscenes reflected that, I think a lot of saner vanguards would be saddened by how their Shepard was being portrayed as a berserker.

Kai Leng, however, would have been standing there with Thane's gun to his temple. He would have said "Now it gets fun." And then there would have been a blue blur smashing right into him. Fisticuffs would have ensued. And possibly shotgun parries like the rather nifty start of the final Kai Leng fight. Mostly, though, it would have been the usual charge punch nova charge spam.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 20 août 2013 - 11:32 .

[SporkFu]

Opening scene of ME2. Normandy getting carved up by collector beams.

Shepard: Get to the escape pod!

Liara/Ashley/Kaidan: Joker's still in the-

Shepard: Shut up and go! NOW!'

Later, on the escape pod...

Shepard: Were you saying something about Joker?

Liara/Ashley/Kaidan: Never mind, Commander. Doesn't matter.

[dorktainian]

Tali. Emerrrrgency Induction Port.
Shep. Thats a straw Tali, and you're drinking jokers hospital specimen.

[Ruadh]

If I was Shep I'd have used my omni tool to record evidence long before ME3. Would have saved a lot of trouble!

[CDR David Shepard]

I see this question come up a lot...and it always makes me wonder...

...was I the only person who created Shepard after themself...and all the choices made in the game were choices you would make in those situations?