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[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

(5) Cameos of Hawke/Warden that "canonizes" them ala Revan in SWTOR

Knew I forgot something, this too.

Would be one of the two things enough to completely ruin the game for me, no matter how good the rest of it is...

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 mai 2013 - 02:17 .

[ObserverStatus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

FaWa wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Non-bisexual/playersexual LI's (unless there is an equal number of orientations per gender)

I will NEVER understand why people hate the All-Bi characters so much. It makes everything so so so so so much easier for Bioware, and it means a lot to gay people like me who really would have loved to romance Garrus, Alistair, etc. 
I agree Anders should not have come on to the player. But I really think its possible for characters to be straight in one play through, and gay in another. People who complain about this stuff need to learn empathy...

Yeah, I don't get it either.

Well, I never had a problem with everyone being BI, but I did used to have a problem with everyone in the Party being "player sexual". From a meta gaming standpoint, having every one of their identities tailored to satisfy Hawke's desires made him feel too much like a black hole sue.
However, since than I have come to realize that this is a silly detail to obsess over, just look at the protagonist of other RPGs. You may see yourself mowing down hordes of experienced killers like blades of grass even though your character has no real combat experience to speak of at the point in the game where they are encountered. You may find your enemies conveniently distributed across long corridor like environments to ensure that you don't get overwhelmed. You may see yourself talking supervillains into abandoning their causes in a single conversation. You may find yourself acting as kingmaker in situations that intuitively should not even involve you, tailoring the in-game world's power structures according to your own purposes. In the case of Bioware games you can already talk any conventially attractive party member of the opposite sex into having sex with you in less than 20 minutes of conversation, so what's the big deal if you can do the same with every conventionally attractive member of your own sex? Even if Bioware designed DA3 so that every member of your party is potentially transgendered, depending on the player's preferences, this would still not be quite as preposterous as the tendency of RPGs to throw the player into a war so closely matched that the player's actions alone can tip the balance in either direction.
There's just no way around it, most RPG protagonists are self-insert Mary Sues, and frankly that may be their greatest appeal. Having every character in the game attracted to the protagonist doesn't really break immersion because most RPG protagonists are just too ridiculous for me to become immersed in the first place.

Modifié par bobobo878, 07 mai 2013 - 03:12 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Seraph Cross wrote...

People just have different preferences is all. It's that simple. You may like or want all bi characters but that doesn't mean Bioware has to do it. Nor does it mean other fans should like or accept it either. That's just the way things work. As far as empathy goes, I'm a sociopath. I know no empathy

They are going to do it though.
'You may not like it or accept it, but that's just the way things work.'

[FINE HERE]

1) Reused enviroments and enemies falling from ridiculous heights or appearing from no-where. Even if they do somehow reuse rooms, at least try to mix it up and convince/trick the player into thinking it's new. And make enemies not be teleportation geniuses.

2) Morrigan and OGB as canon. Or, hell, any major decision from DA:O, DA:A and DA2 that had player options made into one same for every player canon. I like to see the world and plot react to previous choices. It gives more weight to my decisions and it makes playing through the game again interesting.

3) Friendship/rivalry system or 'we won't leave the PC regardless of how openly they hate us and/or our idealogy' companions. Seriously, I stepped all over Anders' 'all mages should be free' speeches and told him he needs to be locked up, and he still follows my Hawke, or even falls in love with him/her? Calling Merril evil and stupid doesn't make her abandon or attack you? It was too weird.

4) Forced Personalities with dialog choices(No neutral options. Wordy dialog that forces too much character for the PC without player input.)

5) No time jumps that effect very little of the story. Really? In 10 years Merril hasn't taken the hint that I don't like her? She still follows me around whenever I choose her?

[sandalisthemaker]

Seraph Cross wrote...

Wow, someone quotes me that fast. Amazing I'm so inspirational.

You don't know what they are going to do. We'll see when we see. If they do though it's most likely pandering. Regardless it does not matter. In dragon age origins I had sex with Morrigan and in dragon age 2 I romanced nobody. Didn't like any of those characters.

An hour ago is hardly fast.
David Gaider has said in many anti-bisexual/playersexual threads that all LI's were made available to both genders in DA2 for inclusiveness. The same will continue in DA3 unless they have the resources to have  an equal number of hetero, bi, and homosexual LI's for both genders. 

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

1. Junk items

2. Linear format

3. Hawke/Warden/Morrigan reduced to markedly short, underwhelming cameo

4.class based armor requirements

5. Transgendered Elves

[sandalisthemaker]

Seraph Cross wrote...

You sound like some gay obsessed political correct activist or something

Yes, because wanting to have playersexual LI's in DA3 automatically means I have some sort of political agenda.

[Enigmatick]

1) Forced motivations that conflict with roleplaying

2) A lack of the isometric view

3) A lack of out of combat abilities

4) linear wilderness maps

5) UR MUM KID #GET REKT

I honestly couldn't think of a fifth that wasn't already posted

Modifié par Enigmatick, 07 mai 2013 - 03:59 .

[AxeloftheKey]

1. Over-sexualized companions/LI. Morrigan is about as far as I'm willing to go. Isabella's sex jokes were funny, but she was just too...You know.

2. Boring specializations. Things like Ranger, Legionarre Scout, and a few others, while interesting in theory, wound up being really boring. Same goes for some of the specializations in DA2. I want 3-4 really cool, unique specializations that are actually game-changers.

3. Another major cliffhanger. Leave things unresolved, FOR SURE. But don't leave us with a huge DA2-sized cliffhanger again.

4. Dumbing down of mechanics. I want to see a balance between DA2's faster, more interesting combat with some of DA:O's heavy tactics. A simplified version of DA2's system would absolutely kill me.

5. A lack of resolution to major recurring plotlines. The blood of the dragons, Morrigan and the OGB, and lots of other interconnected things should be resolved. Continuing to give us no answers about these would be...Frustrating.

[themikefest]

enemies falling from the sky into combat
no Anders.
repetetive environment
the warrior slide
rogue jumping from one enemy to another

[Paul E Dangerously]

- Every LI being playersexual. Already happening, and it's a disappointing copout so nobody can ever get locked out of anything. Choices should be really important and matter..but not when it comes to player X wanting to get into NPC Y's pants only to find out they don't swing that way. Uh huh, sure.
- So many "player is hit with the idiot ball" moments. No, your mage cannot possibly have any clue what Anders is up to and aid or hinder it in any way other than refusing the quest outright. You cannot mention a serial killer's calling card to your family even if you've heard said calling card multiple times before and it comes into play again. Etc, etc.
- DLC that's an excuse just to feature the Popular Internet "Celebrity" of the moment.

[Enigmatick]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

- Every LI being playersexual. Already happening, and it's a disappointing copout so nobody can ever get locked out of anything. Choices should be really important and matter..but not when it comes to player X wanting to get into NPC Y's pants only to find out they don't swing that way. Uh huh, sure.
- So many "player is hit with the idiot ball" moments. No, your mage cannot possibly have any clue what Anders is up to and aid or hinder it in any way other than refusing the quest outright. You cannot mention a serial killer's calling card to your family even if you've heard said calling card multiple times before and it comes into play again. Etc, etc.
- DLC that's an excuse just to feature the Popular Internet "Celebrity" of the moment.

 I'd usually agree with you but I feel that bolded is more a part of the design philosphy of "the PC should know no more than the player", still should've been able to prevent by telling the the Grand Cleric or the templars however.

Modifié par Enigmatick, 07 mai 2013 - 04:44 .

[thebrokncompass]

1. "Parachuting" foes. Seriously, Bioware, can you be any less creative?

2. I do like cameos, I feel like it's a "thank you" to the people who has been with Dragon Age since the beginning. What I do not like is retconning characters. That's just lazy writing. Why couldn't they just create new characters for certain personalities they've written about.

3. No explanation for Sandal being Sandal. Please tell us already why Sandal has his powers of badassery.

4. Reused Environments. I know, I know. I just hope Bioware does right by us this time.

5. F@!#ing fetch quests! I remember playing DAII and was like, "Hey it's Flemeth! Cool! She's taking us to Kirkwall?! Sweet! But in return she wants us to deliver... Wait, what? Seriously?! The game starts with a fetch quest?!"

[Mass Fraud]

FaWa wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Non-bisexual/playersexual LI's (unless there is an equal number of orientations per gender)

I will NEVER understand why people hate the All-Bi characters so much. It makes everything so so so so so much easier for Bioware, and it means a lot to gay people like me who really would have loved to romance Garrus, Alistair, etc. 

I agree Anders should not have come on to the player. But I really think its possible for characters to be straight in one play through, and gay in another. People who complain about this stuff need to learn empathy...

I think that most people had a problem with it because it was "forced", in Awakening he was obviously heterosexual not "Bi" and yet his canon is changed to him being bi now. It's very inconsistant and I personally don't like it.

Back on topic:
1) I do not want to go back into the fade, it's boring and bland in the fade and it actually gave me headaches.
2) I am so tired of blood mages being the villian all the time. "Yes we know that blood magic is bad Bioware. That doesn't mean every mage will use it, so no more please!"
3) Ingame cross-promotion dlc for others games, well at least for non-rpg games. I don't mind if it's for another rpg but it's rediculous when there's dlc for games that have nothing to do with rpgs or even fantasy at all.
4) Not giving us the ability to respec our characters from the begginning.
5) Sebastion and boring whining bi Anders                                                       .............I hated them.<_<
Awakening Anders was awesome tho.

Modifié par Mass Fraud, 07 mai 2013 - 05:39 .

[KiwiQuiche]

1. You fail no matter what you do.
2. Everyone is insane.
3. Cullen.
4. Unable to really kill Flemeth.
5. Unable to go mad with power and take over the world.

[Twisted Path]

thebrokncompass wrote...

2. I do like cameos, I feel like it's a "thank you" to the people who has been with Dragon Age since the beginning. What I do not like is retconning characters. That's just lazy writing. Why couldn't they just create new characters for certain personalities they've written about.

Yeah, my main objection to cameos is that they can easily end up like that. Also since an enormous number of characters that they want to bring back can die it seems kind of resource intensive to do the multiple versions of quests where older characters can show up. It seemed like they tried to solve this by making it impossible to kill off a lot of characters in DA2 (Varric, Isabella and Avelline, Tallis,) and I would rather see them bring back the anyone-can-die-at-some-point design philosophy of Origins.

[thebrokncompass]

Twisted Path wrote...

thebrokncompass wrote...

2. I do like cameos, I feel like it's a "thank you" to the people who has been with Dragon Age since the beginning. What I do not like is retconning characters. That's just lazy writing. Why couldn't they just create new characters for certain personalities they've written about.

Yeah, my main objection to cameos is that they can easily end up like that. Also since an enormous number of characters that they want to bring back can die it seems kind of resource intensive to do the multiple versions of quests where older characters can show up. It seemed like they tried to solve this by making it impossible to kill off a lot of characters in DA2 (Varric, Isabella and Avelline, Tallis,) and I would rather see them bring back the anyone-can-die-at-some-point design philosophy of Origins.

I could not agree more. That trivializes all the heavy decision we as players had to make in DA:O.

My main gripe though  would be Anders' retcon. I am a bisexual man but I found how they flipped the script on Anders quite demeaning. They could have wrote another gay character in and made him the de-facto manifesto mage. But since people wanted Anders to be back in DA2 (Me included), what we got was a shell of Anders and not who he really was in Awekening. Sure, I get the whole merging with justice/vengence twist. But that still doesn't justify the fact that it was a completely different Anders we were interacting with. That was my biggest letdown TBH.

[Conquerthecity]

-Character Assassination. Consistency, please.
-Tallis. That I include her in this list should say enough.
-DA2 Enemies. It's aggravating when I can't walk two steps without getting into a fight with some random thugs.
-No ending variation. Regardless of whether you're pro-templar or mage, both endings seemed the same.
-Memes. I like big boats. A wizard did it? Neither of those were funny and they took me right out of the game.

Honorable mentions:

-Cullen. A case of his fans being too vocal. I'm tired of hearing about him already.
-Repeating Environments. Would've listed this, but I'm pretty sure Bioware said they're avoiding them.
-Failing No Matter What. It's okay if it's believable, but Hawke should've been able to connect the dots with Leandra's murderer. I don't really think "But all the playtesters chose to save her!" is a legitimate reason to take a choice away.

[Catroi]

1) A retarded ending

2) A tragic ending (because it's soooooo artistic)

3) Companions that go Bi for no reason (Ashley/Kaidan)

4) Cut content that would have been awesome (Varric romance anyone? )

5) dumbing down, I want DA to be the Baldur's gate successor as the series was advertised to be

[LarryDavid]

1) This is a no-brainer : Tallis

2) Cullen. It's not that I don't like the character or the voice-acting (as opposed to Tallis), but I would rather see new characters.

3) No possibility to adjust/verify the status of your relationship (at any moment). In origins there was the kiss-option and the love-indicator on the approval bar. And more important, it was possible to end the relationship at any given moment.

4) Cameos of Hawke/Warden.

5) It is said that, with most things, the start and the ending are the most important and hence; Tallis.