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[Vallasch]

1. Junk loot
Seriously why would anything be guarding a chest of Torn Trousers? Why would the PC ever want to loot them? Who in their right mind would want to purchase them from the PC if he did?

2. Mage hats (and bathrobes too really)
Fugitives Mantle & the mask from Malcom's bequest were a step in the right direction.

3. Boss fight/Quest rewards that weren't worth the effort.
Also DLC items that make everything else redundant.

4. Telepathic Courier quests
If we find something that might be valuable to somebody, we should have to investigate on our own whom it might be or not at all.

5. The magic 3rd appease everyone option.
Examples include going to the Circle for help during the Arl of Redcliff. Despite the urgency of the situation and how long you are gone, nothing escalates and everyone is still in their places like it was 5 minutes ago. Also in Awakening when you are asked what your soldiers should be patroling there is absolutely no drawback to simply saying, "Lets do our best to protect them all."

Modifié par Vallasch, 07 mai 2013 - 09:16 .

[FireAndBlood]

1. voiceless protagonist
2. voiceless protagonist
3. voiceless protagonist
4. voiceless protagonist
5. voiceless protagonist

[milena87]

1) poor story with horrible non-sensical ending;

2) choices with no consequences whatsoever in game (I really prefer to see the world and characters changing / evolving during the game, instead of imagining the possibilities and maybe hoping to see a small mention in the next installment);

3) pointless cameos from either companions or Warden and Hawke (I believe that they could add something to the story, but only if the team commits to them and actually makes them relevant);

4) fetch quests and most notably fetch quests where you magically know the owner of the thingy that you just found or where you listen to other people talking, like a stalker;

5) repetition; either in the quests, the dungeons / caves or the combat (I'm fine if 1 or 2 encounters are created with the wave system in mind, but not every single one thanks).

Modifié par milena87, 07 mai 2013 - 10:02 .

[Xebioz]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...

You sound like some gay obsessed political correct activist or something

Yes, because wanting to have playersexual LI's in DA3 automatically means I have some sort of political agenda.

It's not about wanting bisexual or homosexual LI's. It's about Bioware pandering by making all characters bisexual when we know that they wouldn't be if it weren't for this pandering.

How do you know it's pandering you ask? Because this is a recent trend in Bioware games that came up as more and more people demanded it on the forums, not before. 

What is the problem you ask? Well, the problem is that it ruins immersion for me. There, I said it. Having every party member hit on me because you would like to have the opportunity to romance them ruins my immersion. Maybe this is selfish of me but I would rather have realism, have characters who were only homosexual as well (this is not about me being homophobic or anything) and focus on making all the characters more realistic and thrree-dimensional rather than making some stale bisexual dating sim.

I know you most likely will not agree with anything I have said here and that is your right, but to say that everyone in disagreement with having a party full of bisexuals for no other reason than romance choices is somehow them being hateful is frankly a shallow and hyberbolic statement that anyone can debunk.

[Lulupab]

Xebioz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...

You sound like some gay obsessed political correct activist or something

Yes, because wanting to have playersexual LI's in DA3 automatically means I have some sort of political agenda.

It's not about wanting bisexual or homosexual LI's. It's about Bioware pandering by making all characters bisexual when we know that they wouldn't be if it weren't for this pandering.

How do you know it's pandering you ask? Because this is a recent trend in Bioware games that came up as more and more people demanded it on the forums, not before. 

What is the problem you ask? Well, the problem is that it ruins immersion for me. There, I said it. Having every party member hit on me because you would like to have the opportunity to romance them ruins my immersion. Maybe this is selfish of me but I would rather have realism, have characters who were only homosexual as well (this is not about me being homophobic or anything) and focus on making all the characters more realistic and thrree-dimensional rather than making some stale bisexual dating sim.

I know you most likely will not agree with anything I have said here and that is your right, but to say that everyone in disagreement with having a party full of bisexuals for no other reason than romance choices is somehow them being hateful is frankly a shallow and hyberbolic statement that anyone can debunk.

Not only this is selfish its ignorant as well. I never heard anyone minding Isabela hitting on female hawke. Meriil and Fenris don't flirt with you at all and you must innitate romance. But Anders and Isabela flirt with both genders, therefore its quite fair and good for everyone.

Modifié par Rassler, 07 mai 2013 - 02:00 .

[Ieldra]

Top 5....hmm....a hard selection. I'll give it a try. The top one is very easy...

(1) DA2-like combat, including
*Over-the-top combat animations
*Combat on speed
*Enemies popping out from nowhere or dropping from the sky around you in every encounter
*Excessive use of the enemy wave mechanic
*Filler combat.

(2) Excessive re-use of maps. If you re-use maps, at least have the decency to hide the parts not used from the player.

(3) Forcing every encounter to end in combat on a flimsy justification (Grace? Orsino?)

(4) Being unable to influence how our companions dress. No option to make them dress for the occasion (things like Fenris drinking wine with an armored glove).

(5) Reinterpreting or retconning events from past games resulting in one canonical timeline where no decision our Wardens and Hawkes made had any impact at all.

[Nenya Higurashi]

1) No god baby as canon. Really. It'd really upset the few people who actually picked the 'final sacrifice' route for their warden.

2) No more messed up old companions. I loved Anders in awakening as much as I disliked him in DAII. Same goes for Merril. Really, in my ending Merril's tribe got a whole land from Alistair, why- why are them in Kirkwall!

3) Player can only be human. (I know it's late and everyhing but- it really annoys me.)

5) Superhero-style combats

5) DLC you can use only if online.

[Volus Warlord]

1.) Copy Paste maps-No one likes this!

2.) Stupid undertones. We get enough of those from Ubisoft

3.) Lottery unlock system (ME3's MP). No one liked this. It was a pain in the butt. Seriously. The weighted probability made things infuriating.

4.) Bad writing. If it's gonna be a plot-centric game, please have a solid story. No more epic writing hiccups.

5.) Button Mash Gameplay-Cmon now. That'd be fine for a $10 indie, not for a AAA game. The gameplay improved tremendously from ME1 to ME2 to ME3 (I know some will disagree, but that is the general consensus), but no similar parallel can be drawn with DA. DA2 was.. overzealous and as a result suffered. Cut out the busywork, but don't oversimplify.

[rosalindlutece]

1) dungeons/areas that all look the same
2) dungeons/areas that are pure fighting, i like it more when they are kinda 50-50 with fighting and puzzles.

[Xebioz]

Rassler wrote...

Xebioz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...

You sound like some gay obsessed political correct activist or something

Yes, because wanting to have playersexual LI's in DA3 automatically means I have some sort of political agenda.

It's not about wanting bisexual or homosexual LI's. It's about Bioware pandering by making all characters bisexual when we know that they wouldn't be if it weren't for this pandering.

How do you know it's pandering you ask? Because this is a recent trend in Bioware games that came up as more and more people demanded it on the forums, not before. 

What is the problem you ask? Well, the problem is that it ruins immersion for me. There, I said it. Having every party member hit on me because you would like to have the opportunity to romance them ruins my immersion. Maybe this is selfish of me but I would rather have realism, have characters who were only homosexual as well (this is not about me being homophobic or anything) and focus on making all the characters more realistic and thrree-dimensional rather than making some stale bisexual dating sim.

I know you most likely will not agree with anything I have said here and that is your right, but to say that everyone in disagreement with having a party full of bisexuals for no other reason than romance choices is somehow them being hateful is frankly a shallow and hyberbolic statement that anyone can debunk.

Not only this is selfish its ignorant as well. I never heard anyone minding Isabela hitting on female hawke. Meriil and Fenris don't flirt with you at all and you must innitate romance. But Anders and Isabela flirt with both genders, therefore its quite fair and good for everyone.

Isabella was always bisexual though so I kind of wouldn't mind there, just like I wouldn't mind and didn't mind with Zevran. All I ask is consistency and depth in characters, and I'm sorry you see it as selfish, but I see what you're doing in the same light as you're taking away from my immersion and the characters depth through streamlining the characters to get some LI action out of it.

Like I said before I have no problem with homosexual characters, bisexual characters or heterosexual characters. Making all characters bisexual just because this reduces bickering on part of the community is not worthy of the characters or the game. That is what I think.

[Knight of Dane]

And yet you are here, bickering, Xebioz

Perhaps the developers have motivations behind their decitions you simply don't understand.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 07 mai 2013 - 02:35 .

[caradoc2000]

- multiplayer
- QTEs
- DA2 stat system (where you need to put points into stats just to stay the same effective level)
- Corypheus
- Flemeth

[Xebioz]

Knight of Dane wrote...

And yet you are here, bickering, Xebioz

Perhaps the developers have motivations behind their decitions you simply don't understand.

Decisions you mean? Sorry, I have a thing where I have to correct spelling mistakes.
I wouldn't call what I am doing here bickering, rather giving my reasons why I think it's a bad idea to streamline characters, but if this is what you call bickering then count me in. I think it's important to point out a flaw when you see one or think you see one to get a debate started and then get some proper conclusions out of that. My response was initially to the statement paraphrased "if you disagree with all LI's are bisexual you must be a bigot or hateful", which is not the case for me at least.

So whether or not what I am doing indeed counts as bickering, I hope we can all agree that 'my side' as it were is not only filled with bigots and hatemongers.

[Knight of Dane]

Xebioz wrote...

Decisions you mean? Sorry, I have a thing where I have to correct spelling mistakes.

That's okay. Spelling in my fourth language on a internet forum is hardly a priority of mine.

Xebioz wrote...

I wouldn't call what I am doing here bickering, rather giving my reasons why I think it's a bad idea to streamline characters, but if this is what you call bickering then count me in. I think it's important to point out a flaw when you see one or think you see one to get a debate started and then get some proper conclusions out of that. My response was initially to the statement paraphrased "if you disagree with all LI's are bisexual you must be a bigot or hateful", which is not the case for me at least.

"You call it a animal, I call it a monster, it acts the same way no matter what"

Xebioz wrote...

So whether or not what I am doing indeed counts as bickering, I hope we can all agree that 'my side' as it were is not only filled with bigots and hatemongers.

Someone who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw rocks. If you want others to stop "bickering" then you should stop so yourself.
If you just respectfully disagree you shouldn't call it such.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 07 mai 2013 - 03:03 .

[Cassandra Saturn]

dear Knight, if you are knight, would you please show same respect for the thread and its posters. i'm also sorry that your posts came off rather in bad way.. I read your posts and they tell me that. please be nice I am praying for you. ahem.

[Knight of Dane]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

dear Knight, if you are knight, would you please show same respect for the thread and its posters. i'm also sorry that your posts came off rather in bad way.. I read your posts and they tell me that. please be nice I am praying for you. ahem.

Rewrite that post and I might understand what you're trying to say.

Now return to topic instead of talking about me.

[Xebioz]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

dear Knight, if you are knight, would you please show same respect for the thread and its posters. i'm also sorry that your posts came off rather in bad way.. I read your posts and they tell me that. please be nice I am praying for you. ahem.

Rewrite that post and I might understand what you're trying to say.

Now return to topic instead of talking about me.

What is meant by that poster (if I read it correctly) is something like "Show the other posters some respect, because the way you present yourself makes you seem like a ******".

But that is besides the point. Now onto what you said to me:

That's okay. Spelling in my fourth language on a internet forum is hardly a priority of mine.

Alright, feel free to make mistakes then? (by the way english isn't my first language either).

Someone who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw rocks. If you want others to stop "bickering" then you should stop so yourself.
If you just respectfully disagree you shouldn't call it such.

I said that I didn't think I was bickering, but if you thought I was then you were allowed to say so. Nowhere in my previous post does it say "I think I'm bickering, and I hate bickering", which would make your first statement here true.

And as to whether I am respectfully disagreeing or not that depends totally on the person recieving my message no? I can be as respectful as I can and still someone will insist that I'm being an ****. So no, I don't call my own message anything of the sort as it's redundant.

Now then. Do you have anything to say about the topic at hand or are you just trying to start an argument over my use of the english language?

[Liamv2]

1 DAO style combat
2 Reused environments
3 Pure evil antagonists (i prefer more morally gray ones)
4 Retconned decisions
5 Voiceless protagonist

[Sutekh]

Xebioz wrote...

Making all characters bisexual just because this reduces bickering on part of the community is not worthy of the characters or the game. That is what I think.

If that was the purpose, boy, did they fail.

That particular aspect of the game is an endless bickering source, worming its way in each and every topic, even barely related such as this one, surely and inevitably. I swear it has its own gravitational pull.

Coudn't the reasons behind the all-bi LI's be simply a way of being inclusive without spending too much resource on romance instead of an imaginary "pandering to the forum"? And do you really think the BSN has that kind of influence on devs' decisions, be it on that topic or others?

[Androme]

1) More questions, no answers. (Hopefully more questions & answers to older questions)

Please, ''conclude certain plot threads'' like you said you would, OR, even better, CONTINUE on them. It would be a shame if whatever Morrigan & Flemeth are both up to is just something that ends with DA3.

2) Over-the-top fan service (Yes, go ahead, call me a hypocrite)

''hurr durr kossith female LI plzz even if no make sense plzz''

^BioWare please, don't put something in the game if it doesn't make any sense or won't be followed up on in the future.

3) Oversexualized females & oversized d.. weapons!

Stop it.

Just.. No.

Stop.

4) Too many variables.

Oh yes, I know how everyone likes to whine about the lack of choice and different endings etc.
People want 23948984923849 of everything, unfortunately that is not possible and I hope BioWare is aware of this and doesn't have 234892348923 different endings and 'big'' choices that will be impossible to import to the next game and follow up on all the important plot threads, etc.
While DAO is my amongst my top 3 games of all time, I really think you should've made it canon that the Warden survived and that the OGB existed (not neccecarily the Wardens son), so you could much more easily develop on that/those EXTREMELY INTERESTING plot thread and characters.

5) Glorification of the ''oppressed'' by the super-evil humans :'(

This.

I hate this so much. But I can see it before me, something like:

Mage: ''Please, don't kill me, I'm just an innocent mage, bwuah bwuah bwuah!''
Two templar dudes: ''Muhaha, we're just gonna have some fun with you, and then I'm'gunna slit your throat you dirty little mage!''

or

Elf: ''Stop oppressing us, evil humans!'' *Throws rock at random human walking a bit too close to the Elven alienage
Human: ''HEY! What did you do that for you stupid knife-ear?''
Then the Protagonist rushes forward and headbutts the human while screaming: ''DEATH TO ALL EVIL RACIST BASTARDS DÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖH''

Modifié par Androme, 07 mai 2013 - 05:22 .

[Xebioz]

Sutekh wrote...

Xebioz wrote...

Making all characters bisexual just because this reduces bickering on part of the community is not worthy of the characters or the game. That is what I think.

If that was the purpose, boy, did they fail.

That particular aspect of the game is an endless bickering source, worming its way in each and every topic, even barely related such as this one, surely and inevitably. I swear it has its own gravitational pull.

Coudn't the reasons behind the all-bi LI's be simply a way of being inclusive without spending too much resource on romance instead of an imaginary "pandering to the forum"? And do you really think the BSN has that kind of influence on devs' decisions, be it on that topic or others?

It could very well be what you you say, but then I find it interesting that this happened more or less overnight with all LI's suddenly being bisexual. And it's not like I'm against it like I've said before because there is something wrong with bisexual LI's, I just find it to remove depth from some characters. And to those of you who say that it doesn't affect any other part of the character clearly haven't been playing the same game as me. With Zevran in DA:O I thought it was perfect as it actually had something to do with his character and affected him in different ways. Having bisexual LI's just for inclusion if this harms the character then I am against it. If all the characters where heterosexual for the hell of it I would feel exactly the same way. 

See for example Sebastian in DA2 (which luckily wasn't a bisexual LI) wouldn't fit it because of his religious background and this is what I mean when you have to consider. Also, the fact that you are travelling with only bisexuals is kind of immersion breaking in itself because they are a minority in 'our world' and there is no real pointer to it being different in Thedas. But this last point here would be redundant and I would not care at all if it didn't affect the character. For the same reason that some characters shouldn't be LI's at all I think others should be Hetero/Homosexual only and that's that.

[Lulupab]

Xebioz wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

Xebioz wrote...

Making all characters bisexual just because this reduces bickering on part of the community is not worthy of the characters or the game. That is what I think.

If that was the purpose, boy, did they fail.

That particular aspect of the game is an endless bickering source, worming its way in each and every topic, even barely related such as this one, surely and inevitably. I swear it has its own gravitational pull.

Coudn't the reasons behind the all-bi LI's be simply a way of being inclusive without spending too much resource on romance instead of an imaginary "pandering to the forum"? And do you really think the BSN has that kind of influence on devs' decisions, be it on that topic or others?

It could very well be what you you say, but then I find it interesting that this happened more or less overnight with all LI's suddenly being bisexual. And it's not like I'm against it like I've said before because there is something wrong with bisexual LI's, I just find it to remove depth from some characters. And to those of you who say that it doesn't affect any other part of the character clearly haven't been playing the same game as me. With Zevran in DA:O I thought it was perfect as it actually had something to do with his character and affected him in different ways. Having bisexual LI's just for inclusion if this harms the character then I am against it. If all the characters where heterosexual for the hell of it I would feel exactly the same way. 

See for example Sebastian in DA2 (which luckily wasn't a bisexual LI) wouldn't fit it because of his religious background and this is what I mean when you have to consider. Also, the fact that you are travelling with only bisexuals is kind of immersion breaking in itself because they are a minority in 'our world' and there is no real pointer to it being different in Thedas. But this last point here would be redundant and I would not care at all if it didn't affect the character. For the same reason that some characters shouldn't be LI's at all I think others should be Hetero/Homosexual only and that's that.

I don't see how that can bother you. Only Anders flirts with male hawke and only once. Turn him down and he never does that again. Fenris and Merill NEVER flirt with you, ever. You have to choose a flirt dialogue first. You only know they are bisexual because you read it somewhere or noticed flirt dialogues. Just ignore them lol. Your best friend in real life could be bisexual and you may not know it. Bisexualuty is the best solution to keep most of the fans happy.

[elyu]

1. Ugly mage hats
2. An ending in which everything gets ****ed up, regardless of what choices you make
3. Items which can't be used and can be sold for only a few coppers (like empty stained wine bottles, wtf?)
4. Dividing the game in acts
5. Companions that can leave you if you're not super nice to them

[Xebioz]

Rassler wrote...

Xebioz wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

Xebioz wrote...

Making all characters bisexual just because this reduces bickering on part of the community is not worthy of the characters or the game. That is what I think.

If that was the purpose, boy, did they fail.

That particular aspect of the game is an endless bickering source, worming its way in each and every topic, even barely related such as this one, surely and inevitably. I swear it has its own gravitational pull.

Coudn't the reasons behind the all-bi LI's be simply a way of being inclusive without spending too much resource on romance instead of an imaginary "pandering to the forum"? And do you really think the BSN has that kind of influence on devs' decisions, be it on that topic or others?

It could very well be what you you say, but then I find it interesting that this happened more or less overnight with all LI's suddenly being bisexual. And it's not like I'm against it like I've said before because there is something wrong with bisexual LI's, I just find it to remove depth from some characters. And to those of you who say that it doesn't affect any other part of the character clearly haven't been playing the same game as me. With Zevran in DA:O I thought it was perfect as it actually had something to do with his character and affected him in different ways. Having bisexual LI's just for inclusion if this harms the character then I am against it. If all the characters where heterosexual for the hell of it I would feel exactly the same way. 

See for example Sebastian in DA2 (which luckily wasn't a bisexual LI) wouldn't fit it because of his religious background and this is what I mean when you have to consider. Also, the fact that you are travelling with only bisexuals is kind of immersion breaking in itself because they are a minority in 'our world' and there is no real pointer to it being different in Thedas. But this last point here would be redundant and I would not care at all if it didn't affect the character. For the same reason that some characters shouldn't be LI's at all I think others should be Hetero/Homosexual only and that's that.

I don't see how that can bother you. Only Anders flirts with male hawke and only once. Turn him down and he never does that again. Fenris and Merill NEVER flirt with you, ever. You have to choose a flirt dialogue first. You only know they are bisexual because you read it somewhere or noticed flirt dialogues. Just ignore them lol. Your best friend in real life could be bisexual and you may not know it. Bisexualuty is the best solution to keep most of the fans happy.

Yes, but this flirty dialogue is impossible not to detect (atleast for me it is, maybe others didn't notice it). My best friend in real life could be bisexual that is true and you know what, I couldn't care less. It's not about the sexual preferance of the characters it's a mix of the implausibility (when dealing with the worlds logic structure) that every person you meet and bond with for some unknown reason is bisexual. And with the statement before that I should ignore that part of the character you are actually saying that I shouldn't mind that there is a gap of logic here for the sake of fanservice. I don't think that's a good enough reason so I voice my opinion here.