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[Ieldra]

I disagree with the OP's assertion that DA2's exploding enemies are "cool". DAO's finishing moves, THOSE were cool, especially since they didn't happen in every fight. Every time I go from DAO to DA2, I wish that DA2's combat presentation and combat encounter system vanishes into the depths of hell where it belongs and that DA3 will bring back what made DAO great - with somewhat faster animations for sword-and-shield and two-handed combat styles.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 mai 2013 - 07:48 .

[JamieCOTC]

I found the exploding bodies to be quite silly, to be honest. Not gruesome at all, but closer to cartoon humor. A Darkspawn getting cut in half then exploding reminded me for of a Road Runner cartoon than a gorefest.

I also have to agree w/ Faerunner that the over the top, "button = awesome" pacing doesn't fit the mood of tha game. Not to mention that it's also nauseatingly repetative.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 07 mai 2013 - 09:11 .

[LPPrince]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

The DA:O finishers were pretty satisfying to me. Removing that in DA2 did make me die a little inside.

Same.

And I wish archers would get archery-specific finishers for once.

[Saibh]

I hate slow. That stupid shuffle all your characters did was not fun. It was not more engaging. It was not smarter combat. It is a mimicry of antiquated game design that we had out of necessity. I prefer the faster combat (and I don't believe ****ing that faster = less strategic. Just pause more you big babies). I'm okay with the flashy combat, but I think it could be toned down a little. Many aspects of DAII's combat I didn't like, but the speed and flashiness really wasn't one of them.

[Jestina]

DA2's combat was just awful...ninja rogues, bodies exploding from being stabbed, enemies leaping off rooftops, etc. For some reason they changed DA into a JRPG.

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

Yay, gonnna chime in again.

-Look realistically combat doesn't operate at that pace, in Origins you left a friggin' snail trail behind you anytime you wanted to get into position or attack. It's an odd preference to have, but you guys should understand I've mainly only gotten into newer rpgs. The first one I ever played was morrowind, or Zelda lol.

-Mages should be animate and the basic strikes made sense, you would cast from either ends of your staff, QUICKLY ( duh dudes are trying to kill you ), and setup for a more powerful hit. Spellcasting was overall much better you're mentally challenged if you think otherwise ( UGH just remembering that stupid effeminate process to get storm of the century going )

-Rogues are intended to operate quickly, silently, and explosively. They do just that, atleast you get a greater sense of that role with the movements. Or you can get your polite jog on and circle strafe hoping to land a backstab. Origins movements we're especially dumb for this class

Warriors....who cares about those guys anyway J/K and I really though warriors were fine. It was nice how you could engage a multitude of targets with ease.

[Chiramu]

The battle/combat effects don't bother me, what bothers me is is Hawke goes on about trying to help people when he/she goes around and kills about 50 guys with no remorse. It's a little hypocritical.

[Volus Warlord]

Chiramu wrote...

The battle/combat effects don't bother me, what bothers me is is Hawke goes on about trying to help people when he/she goes around and kills about 50 guys with no remorse. It's a little hypocritical.

Do you want to play "Dragon Age 3: Humanitarian Effort" instead?

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

Still here ^^ I lol'ed

[Melca36]

iiReaperZz wrote...

Yay, gonnna chime in again.

-Look realistically combat doesn't operate at that pace, in Origins you left a friggin' snail trail behind you anytime you wanted to get into position or attack. It's an odd preference to have, but you guys should understand I've mainly only gotten into newer rpgs. The first one I ever played was morrowind, or Zelda lol.

-Mages should be animate and the basic strikes made sense, you would cast from either ends of your staff, QUICKLY ( duh dudes are trying to kill you ), and setup for a more powerful hit. Spellcasting was overall much better you're mentally challenged if you think otherwise ( UGH just remembering that stupid effeminate process to get storm of the century going )

-Rogues are intended to operate quickly, silently, and explosively. They do just that, atleast you get a greater sense of that role with the movements. Or you can get your polite jog on and circle strafe hoping to land a backstab. Origins movements we're especially dumb for this class

Warriors....who cares about those guys anyway J/K and I really though warriors were fine. It was nice how you could engage a multitude of targets with ease.

Think of it this way. If the game had been a blockbuster success, they would not be changing it.  The fact is they are. They already stated it in a past thread. There will be a return to tactics. 

How is this challenging combat? 

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[M Hedonist]

I've heard a lot about the violence in DA2, but I myself, honestly, have never ever taken notice of it. I just never paid attention to it. When in combat, I have four characters to manage and a large amount of enemies to kill, why would I pay attention to the way one particular enemy dies? I could live entirely without gory death animations.
Contrary to a game like Skyrim, where I'd love some more varied death animations. As a two-handed warrior, once you get powerful enough, you can kill almost anything with a single strike - wouldn't it be freaking awesome to just slice the NPCs in half with that one strike? Sorry, my thoughts were wandering off - I can totally understand the thought, but in DA I just don't immerse myself into my character while in combat.

[M Hedonist]

On mages being faster in DA2: I take it you have never tried to cast a spell while your mage was doing his attack animation? Because if you have you would know mages in DA2 are awfully sluggish and slow. They only look faster, but to someone who uses the pause function every few seconds in combat, it's clear they're actually rather slow, even frustratingly so. Playing a mage in DAO never frustrated me; when I failed, it was because I messed up somehow. Playing a mage in DA2 constantly frustrated me; when I failed it, it was often because my mage was too occupied with doing his staff whirling thing to cast a spell.
Adding the fact that the Magic attribute had a much lower role in determining your spell damage than in DAO and mainly increased auto-attack potency (and magic resistance), it's like Bioware tried to turn mages into auto-attackers. Which is stupid. A mage should only ever auto-attack when he's out of mana and the fight isn't worth a Lyrium potion (or he's an Arcane warrior - another thing DA2 took away).
Also, spell combos that take some creativity. Gone in DA2.
There are many, many reasons why one would find DAO's mages superior to DA2. Imo, the only thing in which DA2's mages beat DAO's mages is that they look flashier in combat. Which I could live without.

Modifié par Sauruz, 08 mai 2013 - 12:32 .

[Dabrikishaw]

Filament wrote...

They cried because they thought the animations were "cartoony" which provoked endless debates on the semantics of the words they use to complain, which only made them cry harder.

[Tup3x]

I watched when my bro played, looked absolutely stupid and ridiculous.

[SafetyShattered]

The only thing that bothered me was how over the top some things were. I mean, a guy blowing up after i hit him with my dagger....really? Other then that i though the amount of violence and how it was handled was fine.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

   People were crying over DA's violence? what? I always thought it was fairly tame compared to what I've seen in many other titles. Besides, what are you expecting when you throw your money on the counter for a mature rated game? You're going to get violence, cursing, mature subject matter and sexuality, all a possibility. It's like renting high school muscial then saying there isn't enough violence in it.

[Il Divo]

Considering the kill animations available in games like Assassin's Creed, the violence/combat in DA is tame by comparison.

[Jestina]

It definitely lacked in the tactical area, especially with how comically fast auto attacks were in DA2. Rogues being able to teleport around the battlefield just turned them into a lazy class. No need for tactical maneuvering when you can just poof like a ninja in some Japanese B movie. I do miss the finishing moves from DA:O too...and the injuries.

[Morty Smith]

I liked the bug. I called my Fem-Hawk Lisa and she was tearing them apart.

Modifié par Kroitz, 08 mai 2013 - 02:11 .

[Saibh]

Melca36 wrote...


Think of it this way. If the game had been a blockbuster success, they would not be changing it.  The fact is they are. They already stated it in a past thread. There will be a return to tactics. 

Tactics existed in DAII? Unless you mean "tactical combat".

How is this challenging combat? 

How isn't it? Sure, it looks stupid, but what a ludicrous idea: that you could screencap combat and prove that it's not tactical. Screencap. Combat.

[Melca36]

Saibh wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Think of it this way. If the game had been a blockbuster success, they would not be changing it.  The fact is they are. They already stated it in a past thread. There will be a return to tactics. 

Tactics existed in DAII? Unless you mean "tactical combat".

How is this challenging combat? 

How isn't it? Sure, it looks stupid, but what a ludicrous idea: that you could screencap combat and prove that it's not tactical. Screencap. Combat.

Its not tactical combat. They materialize out of nowhere thus ruining immersion.  Like I said, if the game was successful they would not have said combat would be different for the next game.

I certainly don't expect it will be like Origins but its not going to be over the top ridiculous and dumbed down  like DA2s.  

DA3 will have its own style of combat. And I am looking forward to it.

[Melca36]

Jestina wrote...

It definitely lacked in the tactical area, especially with how comically fast auto attacks were in DA2. Rogues being able to teleport around the battlefield just turned them into a lazy class. No need for tactical maneuvering when you can just poof like a ninja in some Japanese B movie. I do miss the finishing moves from DA:O too...and the injuries.

I think they designed the combat for people who basically want a cinematic experience and dont like games.