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[Yestare7]

dreamgazer wrote...

*cough*

Holy cow, never saw that one. 

I'm somehow assuming most of you are americans (proly wrong!)  but I live in The Netherlands, and ANYTHING containing the word "hitler" (it even feels odd to write that, capital left out) , will be scrutinized, frowned upon, and the author will have a lot of explaining to do, and will NEVER be regarded in the same light.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
So, as someone outside said majority, I can tell you we deal with about 10x the Wulfs as you guys do.

I'll pay attention for the next couple of weeks. But right now I do not believe there are destroyers who go to such a length to insult. I ridicule Synthesis, and post a waffle sometimes, but "10x the Wulfs"  ??   I doubt it.


Yestare

(on another note, my partner and our daughters recently visited Anne Frank's house (Amsterdam). I highly recommend every human to do this at least one in your lifetime. And read the book!)

Modifié par Yestare7, 08 mai 2013 - 07:08 .

[TheProtheans]

Auld Wulf wrote...
Can you do that? Could you have done it if they weren't synthetics? Could you have done it if they were humans? Could you have done it if they were caucasian humans? Could you have done it if the galaxy would be 'saved' at the expense of every caucasian human alive? Could you do it even knowing that their deaths might not be quick and painless?

I'm not sure I could have picked Destroy if it only killed attractive females or Caucasians or any of the other Alien species that I like.
No it had to be EDI and GETH along with innocent Reapers.
EDI is one individual, can we really justify sabotaging the future of the galaxy just to save EDI.
The Reapers are innocent, they had no choice and deserve to live.
The Geth are guilty, they had freedom and they sided with the Reapers who had no choice, they deserve to die as we can not count on them.

[KaiserShep]

Flesh eating bacteria is innocent. Doesn't mean it "deserves" to stick around. I never really considered innocence, but rather considered getting rid of a plague, which the reapers were. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 mai 2013 - 01:20 .

[Enhanced]

edisnooM wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

edisnooM wrote...

So at no point after seeing all that, and at no point in any of the conversations with the Reapers did I get the slightest impression that they were "good" or at least "not evil", or had any redeeming qualities whatsoever. Nor did I have any impression that they were being forced in any way to do what they did. They were malevolent eldritch nightmares, the monsters in the dark spaces.

The Catalyst said he controls them.

Sorry just noticed this. He does indeed say that, but he doesn't say they are forced to carry out the acts they do. Further what most of my post was addressing (or attempting to) is that prior to the infamous final moments of the trilogy there had been nothing to indicate that the Reapers were "not evil" or being forced to Reap, and certainly nothing in our (or at least my) interaction with any of the Reapers or their forces gave that impression.

 You're right, it wasn't implied in any interactions with the Reaper themselves.  But, at the end of ME2, we learn that every Reaper is a collective intelligence of organics minds. It didn't make sense that they would all just turn against evil and start killing/harvesting other races on their own. I assumed that Harbinger was controlling them .The ending of ME3 is supposed to be the plot twist. And, the Control option proves that they are all forced.

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 mai 2013 - 01:47 .

[TheProtheans]

KaiserShep wrote...

Flesh eating bacteria is innocent. Doesn't mean it "deserves" to stick around. I never really considered innocence, but rather considered getting rid of a plague, which the reapers were. 

The Reapers are intelligent beings, they deserve life instead of death. 
To compare them to bacteria is insulting and shows how ignorant people with those views are.
You have a somewhat twisted and sick view, wishing death upon beings who have done no wrong of their own control.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, moralizing and getting up on high horses is great and all, but lets consider that it's not just about whether this amalgam of mutilated people deserves to live, but whether or not you feel that your Shepard would believe that they're worth dying for. In my case, the answer is emphatically no. It's one thing if you don't agree with this option, but its not as if the reasons are completely invalid. I get why people choose the other two, but I consider this decision based on what I would have done for myself, and I know sure as the sky is blue that I wouldn't die for that. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 mai 2013 - 03:15 .

[Astartes Marine]

TheProtheans wrote...
The Reapers are intelligent beings, they deserve life instead of death.

Why? 

[KaiserShep]

I guess they had a rough childhood.

[AlanC9]

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah, moralizing and getting up on high horses is great and all, but lets consider that it's not just about whether this amalgam of mutilated people deserves to live, but whether or not you feel that your Shepard would believe that they're worth dying for. In my case, the answer is emphatically no. It's one thing if you don't agree with this option, but its not as if the reasons are completely invalid. I get why people choose the other two, but I consider this decision based on what I would have done for myself, and I know sure as the sky is blue that I wouldn't die for that. 

OK, but how about dying to prevent a galactic dark age?

[Archonsg]

TheProtheans wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Flesh eating bacteria is innocent. Doesn't mean it "deserves" to stick around. I never really considered innocence, but rather considered getting rid of a plague, which the reapers were. 

The Reapers are intelligent beings, they deserve life instead of death. 
To compare them to bacteria is insulting and shows how ignorant people with those views are.
You have a somewhat twisted and sick view, wishing death upon beings who have done no wrong of their own control.

The beings whom existed before they became "Reapers" are long dead.
What they are now, are things created, coded and given functionality by an AI. Whatever they were before they were turned to glop, is *gone*
Whatever free will they had, gone.

The Reapers may be AI, but they are *machines* created, coded and designed with a specific purpose and up to the point when the trigger is pulled to destroy them, showed no self will nor the capacity to value life.

Putting them down would be a mercy.

[KaiserShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah, moralizing and getting up on high horses is great and all, but lets consider that it's not just about whether this amalgam of mutilated people deserves to live, but whether or not you feel that your Shepard would believe that they're worth dying for. In my case, the answer is emphatically no. It's one thing if you don't agree with this option, but its not as if the reasons are completely invalid. I get why people choose the other two, but I consider this decision based on what I would have done for myself, and I know sure as the sky is blue that I wouldn't die for that. 

OK, but how about dying to prevent a galactic dark age?

Maybe, but then this isn't on the list of likely outcomes if you destroy the reapers either. All you're told is that synthetics will be targeted indiscriminately, and at some point more conflict will exist in an undetermined future. Beyond that, the rest is strictly speculation. Dying for something I imagine could happen but am given no real indication that it's likely is kind of on my no-no list. 

[AlanC9]

I was specifically thinking of the relays. With Reapers around, they're much more easily repaired. Even if Shepard's cycle leaned how they're built ( from Vigil?), getting them built will be very slow for any cluster that doesn't already have the industrial base and either a QEC or a copy of the plans.

Hopefully primary links don't have to be connected the way QECs are, or those will take decades to fix even with the Reapers.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mai 2013 - 04:39 .

[KaiserShep]

But there's no mention of the relays either. I know that in one version of the conversation, starbrat says that they'll be destroyed, but in my playthrough it never speaks of them. All else is an unknown from Shepard's perspective, but they are rebuilt nonetheless, along with the citadel.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

For the slow ones, TheProtheans = troll poster on fourth account.

(The other three were banned).

Disregard her posts.

[Enhanced]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the slow ones, TheProtheans = troll poster on fourth account.

(The other three were banned).

Disregard her posts.

She or he doesn't seem like a troll poster. How you know that?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Enhanced wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the slow ones, TheProtheans = troll poster on fourth account.

(The other three were banned).

Disregard her posts.

She or he doesn't seem like a troll poster. How you know that?

Advocating the Reapers' life with a pro-IT pic in her sig? Seems legit.

http://social.biowar.../forum/1/topic/

She plays all sides. She's just pro-Reapers now just to get a rise out of people who are taking the bait.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 08 mai 2013 - 05:07 .

[AlanC9]

KaiserShep wrote...

But there's no mention of the relays either. I know that in one version of the conversation, starbrat says that they'll be destroyed, but in my playthrough it never speaks of them. All else is an unknown from Shepard's perspective, but they are rebuilt nonetheless, along with the citadel.

Good point. I think that isn't mentioned in high-EMS conditions.

And yeah, they're rebuilt. The question is whether that's in years, or centuries. (Rooting for centuries as a player, since I think the MEU with a broken or incomplete relay system would be more interesting.)

[thehomeworld]

Because some people have a child mentality and they can't comprehend there is evil that is evil and doesn't want to be your friends or benefactors.

[Yestare7]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

http://social.biowar.../forum/1/topic/

She plays all sides. She's just pro-Reapers now just to get a rise out of people who are taking the bait.

I kinda believe that, after reading this:

TheProtheans wrote...

The Reapers are intelligent beings, they deserve life instead of death. 
To compare them to bacteria is insulting and shows how ignorant people with those views are.
You have a somewhat twisted and sick view, wishing death upon beings who have done no wrong of their own control.

[KaiserShep]

In all probability, relays in "high priority" systems would be rebuilt first. Judging from the stills, it seems that most everyone gets back to their home worlds within their lifetimes, though no real reference to time is made.

[TheProtheans]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the slow ones, TheProtheans = troll poster on fourth account.

(The other three were banned).

Disregard her posts.

She or he doesn't seem like a troll poster. How you know that?

Advocating the Reapers' life with a pro-IT pic in her sig? Seems legit.

http://social.biowar.../forum/1/topic/

She plays all sides. She's just pro-Reapers now just to get a rise out of people who are taking the bait.

My opinion on the Reapers depends on how I view them in that moment.
It reminds me of an episode of Star trek voyager where Tuvok and Neelix were merged into a signle being(Tuvix).
I was both for the new being the two combined created and against it.
Tuvix was somewhat of an insult to Tuvok and Neelix and uncomfortable for everyone.
The Reapers are much the same for me, it hard to for me to have a definite view on the nature of the Reapers.

However that has nothing to do with Control or Synthesis, neither are what I want in the future of the Reapers.
I would pick destroy everytime to give freedom to the Reapers.

The sig is supporting Shepard waking up in the destroy ending and giving us some closure.
Not that it was all a dream, he is just in the ruins.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 08 mai 2013 - 05:28 .

[Enhanced]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the slow ones, TheProtheans = troll poster on fourth account.

(The other three were banned).

Disregard her posts.

She or he doesn't seem like a troll poster. How you know that?

Advocating the Reapers' life with a pro-IT pic in her sig? Seems legit.

http://social.biowar.../forum/1/topic/

She plays all sides. She's just pro-Reapers now just to get a rise out of people who are taking the bait.

Ok. But she could just be really indecisive, or even have multiple personalities. Trolls usually like to be much more obvious than that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Yeah okay TheProtheans a.k.a. HannahMontana a.k.a. Bioware is bad a.k.a. I am disappoint.

And @ ^

I guess if they can't see it, you can't make them see it.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 08 mai 2013 - 05:29 .

[TheProtheans]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Yeah okay TheProtheans a.k.a. HannahMontana a.k.a. Bioware is bad a.k.a. I am disappoint.

And @ ^

I guess if they can't see it, you can't make them see it.

I notice my username there, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply.
I looked up this "HannahMontana", it's a 2 year old account that was hardly active.
The other two usernames obviously are people who made usernames probably about the ending.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 08 mai 2013 - 05:42 .

[AlexMBrennan]

I think the "aka" is kinda a giveaway - it stands for "also known as"