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[Seboist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

That's what I thought. That kid sure has some serious delusions of granduer, a trait not uncommon among the IT kids mind you.

Well, belief in IT is based on deep rooted narcissism like with any other conspiracy theory. These keyboard commandos really love thinking they're the enlightened few that see what the masses don't.

[TheProtheans]

wolfsite wrote...

So dispite being debunked and proven false severeal times.......... well I guess..... I'm sorry I can't finish this.  You have people being slaughtered around the world in war, people starving due to poor living conditions, and yet someone decided to write a book about video game butt hurt.............. I'm just.......... if we can harness that power and focus it on real world problems this planet would be such a great place to live on.

You're posting on the forums for the game of which he wrote about.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[The Heretic of Time]

TheProtheans wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So dispite being debunked and proven false severeal times....

You're as delusional as the ITer's, it was never debunked or proven false.
In fact there was never a competent argument against it aside from the argument that Mass effect 3 is just terribly written.

I know one competent argument against the IT: The IT is just a lame "get out of bad endings" wild card that completely falls outside of the established writing style of ME3 so far up to that point. Don't forget we're talking about Mass Effect here, a blockbuster space opera pulp. This isn't Inception, Bladerunner or Ghost in the Shell, not even close. 

The IT is clearly just a fan theory cooked up by some desperate fans who wanted their blue babies. It's wishful thinking at most. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 07 mai 2013 - 12:30 .

[TheProtheans]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So dispite being debunked and proven false severeal times....

You're as delusional as the ITer's, it was never debunked or proven false.
In fact there was never a competent argument against it aside from the argument that Mass effect 3 is just terribly written.

I know one competent argument against the IT: The IT is just a lame "get out of bad endings" wild card that completely falls outside of the established writing style of ME3 so far up to that point. Don't forget we're talking about Mass Effect here, a blockbuster space opera pulp. This isn't Inception, Bladerunner or Ghost in the Shell, not even close. 

The IT is clearly just a fan theory cooked up by some desperate fans who wanted their blue babies. It's wishful thinking at most. 

It isn't Inception but surely Mass effect 3 can still have unexpected twists that have the same writing style.
Which is probably one of the main problems with Mass effect 3, everything is too simple from the get go.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 07 mai 2013 - 12:37 .

[The Heretic of Time]

TheProtheans wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So dispite being debunked and proven false severeal times....

You're as delusional as the ITer's, it was never debunked or proven false.
In fact there was never a competent argument against it aside from the argument that Mass effect 3 is just terribly written.

I know one competent argument against the IT: The IT is just a lame "get out of bad endings" wild card that completely falls outside of the established writing style of ME3 so far up to that point. Don't forget we're talking about Mass Effect here, a blockbuster space opera pulp. This isn't Inception, Bladerunner or Ghost in the Shell, not even close. 

The IT is clearly just a fan theory cooked up by some desperate fans who wanted their blue babies. It's wishful thinking at most. 

It isn't Inception but surely Mass effect 3 can still have unexpected twists that have the same writing style.
Which is probably one of the main problems with Mass effect 3, everything is too simple from the get go.

The problem of Mass Effect is that it's actually not simple enough. Especially with ME3. The whole plot and story would have been better if the motives of the reapers remained unknown, or if they were just simply big evil bastards who see themselves as gods and our galaxy as their playground.

If anything, Mass Effect should have been more simple. The ridiculously overly-complex Indoctrination Theory, which is escentionally just an "all just a dream" trope and a  reset button to get out of the bad endings, surely isn't helping to make things more simple. It only makes things over complicated and worse.


The problem with the IT, as it stands now, is that it DOESN'T rely on the same writing style as the rest of Mass Effect. It relies on a lot of mysticism, "deeply hidden clues" and lots of far-fetched speculation. We have none of that in the actual Mass Effect trilogy.


But seriously, it sounds like the ITers converted you TheProtheans. I never expected to see the day that you become one of them.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 07 mai 2013 - 12:55 .

[S.A.K]

What the?! I don't even... AHAHAHA!

[Ieldra]

@OP:
Yeah, I noticed that several weeks ago. It appears you can self-publish anything these days, increasing the amount of crud from 95% to 99%, LOL. I didn't bring it up here because I didn't want to draw to attention to it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 mai 2013 - 01:23 .

[TheProtheans]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The problem of Mass Effect is that it's actually not simple enough. Especially with ME3. The whole plot and story would have been better if the motives of the reapers remained unknown, or if they were just simply big evil bastards who see themselves as gods and our galaxy as their playground.

I heard many opinions about what should have happened with the Reapers and most of them echo that generally the motives needed to be revealed.
My opinion is that I am not sure I could see how Mass effect 3 could end in a satisfying way if it did end with the Reapers remaining unknown.
If it was possible then I would be for the Reaper remaining mysterious.
I'm don't think simply making them big bad godlike monsters is all that strong, I would prefer not knowing they're just evil for the sake of being evil.

If anything, Mass Effect should have been more simple. The ridiculously overly-complex Indoctrination Theory, which is escentionally just an "all just a dream" trope and a  reset button to get out of the bad endings, surely isn't helping to make things more simple. It only makes things over complicated and worse.

IT just raises more questions.
I admit some things were not simple, they only complicated things more with confusion and made way for interpretations such as IT.
However if the story was to be rebuilt you could remove those.

The problem with the IT, as it stands now, is that it DOESN'T rely on the same writing style as the rest of Mass Effect. It relies on a lot of mysticism, "deeply hidden clues" and lots of far-fetched speculation. We have none of that in the actual Mass Effect trilogy.

Perhaps a bad example, but it reminds me of suddenbrain.com/is-the-apocalypse-coming-to-skyrim/

But seriously, it sounds like the ITers converted you TheProtheans. I never expected to see the day that you become one of them.

It's hard to say I was ever an ITer as I never really ever believed it was definitely intented.
When ME3 first came out I was shocked, there had to be a reason for me not liking it, I saw IT has a valid solution as to why it was the way it was.
Those were the early days though, even before EC came out I was already over the idea that it could have been intended.
I remember joking about EC before it was even released and having low expectations, I remember hoping for a decent level of closure in terms of after Shepard used the Crucible but it was overly lacking, so I was definitely over IT well before June.
Before EC IT was fine but after EC everyone must have lost their minds completely, hoping pitifully that each DLC that passes may bring them the answers they seek.
No IT never converted me, but I like theories and I find IT to be somewhat acceptable to some degree even if many of the supporters were cult like in the end.
I was more of a holdthewallet person and I only wished ITers held the wallet too.
I'm always open to theories, except from Sevial. 

Modifié par TheProtheans, 07 mai 2013 - 01:37 .

[Veganterror]

Even his name sounds fishy.

Dumas.. The author of The Three Musketeers, along with the name Hawke? If it is legit, kinda cool coincidence.

But... This will not end well for Mr. Dumas.

Modifié par Veganterror, 07 mai 2013 - 03:31 .

[Vargeisa]

This is how religions get started.

[OdanUrr]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

I just stumbled upon this book on IT on amazon.co.uk:

"Wake Up Shepard"


This must be the first time in human history that there is a book about one possible interpretation of the ending of a game.

Just wanted to share this.


P.S.: Please don't discuss IT in general here.

You have to be f***ing kidding me!!!

EDIT: We can get paid by selling stuff we post on the BSN?!?!?

Modifié par OdanUrr, 07 mai 2013 - 02:50 .

[TheImmortalBeaver]

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

This is how religions get started.

Heh, IT is already basically a religion. But, since they now basically have their own holy book (assuming EA doesn't sue the author's pants off), we'll see how fast it spreads.

[Kel Riever]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Lol.

That is all.

Endless.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I wonder when the book was deployed? It says 2013, but it would be funny if it was after Citadel.

I've also noticed the author mentions a Julian, which I assume refers to Clevernoob himself.

Fun stuff.

[jijeebo]

Sweet zombie Jesus and blue cheeses, this is brilliant.


I'm going to buy 500 copies and build a Fortress of Indoctrination.


On an unrelated note, my upcoming work, "My headcanon is ah-mah-zing." will be available soon, only tree fiddy.

Modifié par jijeebo, 07 mai 2013 - 03:17 .

[TheProtheans]

Misterpinky0 wrote...

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

This is how religions get started.

Heh, IT is already basically a religion. But, since they now basically have their own holy book (assuming EA doesn't sue the author's pants off), we'll see how fast it spreads.

Is making a book containing possibly images from and writings about events that took place in a game/movie/show or any product infringing on copyright laws?

And selling for personal profit, it seems almost like the law is flawed and never took into account things like this if it indeed true.
9/11 books contain passages and probably images about boering airplanes, could boeing sue the ass off the books author because the books contain pictures of their products and writing about what the planes are capable of doing or not doing and general information about the planes?

[AlanC9]

The Fair Use doctrine would apply.

[Captain Crash]

Lots of speculation! :happy:


See Bioware knew what they were doing!

[The Heretic of Time]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Fair Use doctrine would apply.

Not to the names, titles and images of Mass Effect. Those are copyrighted.

Everything else, such as describing the events of a game and/or writing a fan-fic about it (like the IT) is fair game.

[Redbelle]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


I know one competent argument against the IT: The IT is just a lame "get out of bad endings" wild card that completely falls outside of the established writing style of ME3 so far up to that point. Don't forget we're talking about Mass Effect here, a blockbuster space opera pulp. This isn't Inception, Bladerunner or Ghost in the Shell, not even close. 

The IT is clearly just a fan theory cooked up by some desperate fans who wanted their blue babies. It's wishful thinking at most. 

Sry, I read this and cracked up.

Not the last paragraph. It was the 'falls outside of the established writing style', bit and the namechecking of all those other franchise names.

Because, Catalyst.

[OdanUrr]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Fair Use doctrine would apply.

Does it now, particularly when you stand to make a profit? And, correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't the author trying to copyright the IT?

[huntrrz]

TheProtheans wrote...

Is making a book containing possibly images from and writings about events that took place in a game/movie/show or any product infringing on copyright laws?

Absolutely not.  Referencing something that someone else created in an independent work is protected under 'fair use'.  This is a commentary/'scholarly work' and falls under that protection.  The use of images without permission could be taken as an argument against fair use, but the number of images used would be taken into account.

And selling for personal profit, it seems almost like the law is flawed and never took into account things like this if it indeed true.

The law specifically takes things like this into account by allowing them.

[Liamv2]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Lol.

That is all.