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[thats1evildude]

Well, it's pretty clear that Flemeth killed Hawke and the Warden.

[thebigbad1013]

I have to say that I have very little interest in seeing any of my Warden's again. I love each and every single one of them, but I don't see any way for them to show up in a future game without BioWare having to make some decisions that will ultimately take away a good chunk of the feeling that they are my Warden's.

I say leave my Warden's alone!

[Knight of Dane]

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it's pretty clear that Flemeth killed Hawke and the Warden.

Said no one ever.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

Again. Just flat out no. Some wardens didn't even kill flemeth.

Some wardens might even never discover the plot between her and Morrigan.

You can just ignore Morrigan for the whole game and in the end Flemeth was just a old magical fairy godmother lady witch that helped you on your journey.

And even if someone add the argument that witch hunt is canon, then a warden who helped flemeth or just flat out not trusted Morrigan have not reason to suddenly believe Morring in witch hunt.

[thats1evildude]

Knight of Dane wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it's pretty clear that Flemeth killed Hawke and the Warden.

Said no one ever.

But I just said it … 

[Fallstar]

Oh. and I really want to put Flemeth down at some point in a future game.

It irks me that Flemeth is probably this Shadow Goddess of doom figure, meaning my Warden made the right choice in 'killing' her, and then my Hawke is forced to restore her. Damn it Hawke.

[Knight of Dane]

thats1evildude wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it's pretty clear that Flemeth killed Hawke and the Warden.

Said no one ever.

But I just said it … 

No you didn't . . . . 

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

Again. Just flat out no. Some wardens didn't even kill flemeth.

Some wardens might even never discover the plot between her and Morrigan.

You can just ignore Morrigan for the whole game and in the end Flemeth was just a old magical fairy godmother lady witch that helped you on your journey.

And even if someone add the argument that witch hunt is canon, then a warden who helped flemeth or just flat out not trusted Morrigan have not reason to suddenly believe Morring in witch hunt.

Witch hunt is canon, but if you import a warden that didn't go through it I suspect that it was the Orlesian Warden commander who went on that Journey.

[Knight of Dane]

DuskWarden wrote...

Oh. and I really want to put Flemeth down at some point in a future game.

It irks me that Flemeth is probably this Shadow Goddess of doom figure, meaning my Warden made the right choice in 'killing' her, and then my Hawke is forced to restore her. Damn it Hawke.

She saved Maric and Loghain
She saved Alistair and the Warden
She saved Hawke's family and Aveline

What of those actions are so evil?
It just annoys me that people judge her so harshly for being old, big boobed and having a raspy voice. 

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 07 mai 2013 - 06:14 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I don't think it's obvious. Unless there's a logical reason for the Warden to pop up in the middle of this mage-templar war, I rather doubt that he/she will make an appearance.

The last I recall, the Warden & Hawke disappeared - possibly off doing some sort of mysterious thing that might be important down the line. I just don't think the mysterious thing they're doing will have an impact in DA3.

[Androme]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I don't think it's obvious. Unless there's a logical reason for the Warden to pop up in the middle of this mage-templar war, I rather doubt that he/she will make an appearance.

The last I recall, the Warden & Hawke disappeared - possibly off doing some sort of mysterious thing that might be important down the line. I just don't think the mysterious thing they're doing will have an impact in DA3.

That last part there, is what seems overwhelmingly most likely, and if Melos response is to be believed, then this mysterious thing somehow involves Morrigan aswell. The thing is, even if the Hero of Ferelden is alive in someones save, this ''mysterious thing'' that the Warden is possible involved in, is somehow related to what our Wardens did in Awakenings (because when Leliana is refering to ''The Warden'' she means the Warden in Awakening, HoF or Orlesian, and said Wardens actions during Awakening, if she didn't. then it's an oversight because she says so even if the HoF is dead, which means the Warden they are searching for is whichever Warden was alive and was played during Awakenings.)

So, IF what Melo said is true, and IF it is indeed the Awakenings Warden (HoF or Orlesian, either one works), and IF Hawke is involved aswell. Then it has something to do with both the Darkspawn and Flemeth. I think this is pretty obvious, but of course, only if there even are plans for these characters, and if these plans ties these characters together into one plot to begin with.

And yes, I believe if BioWare actually has any plans for these characters, and said plan is some big mysterious thing, I don't think it'll be ''concluded'' in DA3, since DA3 seems to be about something completely else, + we don't even know what it is yet. It might be introduced in DA3, but not concluded there.

Modifié par Androme, 07 mai 2013 - 06:25 .

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

I've yet to be convinced that Flemeth is all that bad. I'm not saying she's good, but someone who wants to kill the protagonists? Yeah, I don't know. She's bitter and hates the world, but she obviously goes out of her way to help our characters out (and Maric as well). Even in addition to that, she shows some sympathy for Ser Wesley and Aveline in the beginning of DA2. For whatever reason, she's not as toxic or smartassy as Morrigan is. That's good enough for me.

Where does she comes across as hating the world or even bitter? I mean, she sure goes through loop to rescue characters that will, you know, save the world.

I really don't understand the Flemeth most be evil. I am sure she has her own agenda, but I don't really see it as a world destroying one.

[EdwinLi]

Knight of Dane wrote...


She saved Maric and Loghain
She saved Alistair and the Warden
She saved Hawke's family and Aveline

What of those actions are so evil?
It just annoys me that people judge her so harshly for being old, big boobed and having a raspy voice. 

A Good plan will always takes time.

Time can only be obtained if you are given that time.

If none of those people lived and completed their destiny then her plan will be ruined.

Everything she did and people she saved was because they can help her in a way for her plans. Only interests she has is if those people can help her or not. If they cannot then she would have just left them to die. Saving them was never about good will but her own self interests.

After all Flemeth is a Ethical Egosit.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 07 mai 2013 - 06:25 .

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I've yet to be convinced that Flemeth is all that bad. I'm not saying she's good, but someone who wants to kill the protagonists? Yeah, I don't know. She's bitter and hates the world, but she obviously goes out of her way to help our characters out (and Maric as well). Even in addition to that, she shows some sympathy for Ser Wesley and Aveline in the beginning of DA2. For whatever reason, she's not as toxic or smartassy as Morrigan is. That's good enough for me.

Where does she comes across as hating the world or even bitter? I mean, she sure goes through loop to rescue characters that will, you know, save the world.

I really don't understand the Flemeth most be evil. I am sure she has her own agenda, but I don't really see it as a world destroying one.

Well, even though we agree esper; Flemeth does state that the the world has betrayed her in DA:O, if the warden asks "What has the world done to you" she replies "that's between the world and me."

[esper]

Androme wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I don't think it's obvious. Unless there's a logical reason for the Warden to pop up in the middle of this mage-templar war, I rather doubt that he/she will make an appearance.

The last I recall, the Warden & Hawke disappeared - possibly off doing some sort of mysterious thing that might be important down the line. I just don't think the mysterious thing they're doing will have an impact in DA3.

That last part there, is what seems overwhelmingly most likely, and if Melos response is to be believed, then this mysterious thing somehow involves Morrigan aswell. The thing is, even if the Hero of Ferelden is alive in someones save, this ''mysterious thing'' that the Warden is possible involved in, is somehow related to what our Wardens did in Awakenings (because when Leliana is refering to ''The Warden'' she means the Warden in Awakening, HoF or Orlesian, and said Wardens actions during Awakening, if she didn't. then it's an oversight because she says so even if the HoF is dead, which means the Warden they are searching for is whichever Warden was alive and was played during Awakenings.)

And yes, I believe if BioWare actually has any plans for these characters, and said plan is some big mysterious thing, I don't think it'll be ''concluded'' in DA3, since DA3 seems to be about something completely else, + we don't even know what it is yet. It might be introduced in DA3, but not concluded there.

Why should Hawke even be vaguely interested in Morrigan?

They have barely heard about her and Flemeth was an weird thing happening by the start of da2, which at the end places it seven years in the past. I can assure you that my Hawke wasn't thinking about that anymore, what with a mage-templar war brewing, a possessed lover, and a life on the run.

[Knight of Dane]

EdwinLi wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...


She saved Maric and Loghain
She saved Alistair and the Warden
She saved Hawke's family and Aveline

What of those actions are so evil?
It just annoys me that people judge her so harshly for being old, big boobed and having a raspy voice. 

A Good plan will always takes time.

Time can only be obtained if you are given that time.

If none of those people lived and completed their destiny then her plan will be ruined.

Everything she did and people she saved was because they can help her in a way for her plans. Only interests she has is if those people can help her or not. If they cannot then she would have just left them to die. Saving them was never about good will but her own self interests.

After all Flemeth is a Ethical Egosit.

Says who?

The warden can both live and die, the OGB can both be and not be. So far Flemeth hasn't been in charge of changing fate once.

By that account does my warden have some evil plot in motion because he spared Zevran?

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I've yet to be convinced that Flemeth is all that bad. I'm not saying she's good, but someone who wants to kill the protagonists? Yeah, I don't know. She's bitter and hates the world, but she obviously goes out of her way to help our characters out (and Maric as well). Even in addition to that, she shows some sympathy for Ser Wesley and Aveline in the beginning of DA2. For whatever reason, she's not as toxic or smartassy as Morrigan is. That's good enough for me.

Where does she comes across as hating the world or even bitter? I mean, she sure goes through loop to rescue characters that will, you know, save the world.

I really don't understand the Flemeth most be evil. I am sure she has her own agenda, but I don't really see it as a world destroying one.

Well, even though we agree esper; Flemeth does state that the the world has betrayed her in DA:O, if the warden asks "What has the world done to you" she replies "that's between the world and me."

Okay. I never noticed the option to ask that question or hear that answer. What is the reason the question is asked?

[esper]

edit never mind you answered.

Modifié par esper, 07 mai 2013 - 06:29 .

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I've yet to be convinced that Flemeth is all that bad. I'm not saying she's good, but someone who wants to kill the protagonists? Yeah, I don't know. She's bitter and hates the world, but she obviously goes out of her way to help our characters out (and Maric as well). Even in addition to that, she shows some sympathy for Ser Wesley and Aveline in the beginning of DA2. For whatever reason, she's not as toxic or smartassy as Morrigan is. That's good enough for me.

Where does she comes across as hating the world or even bitter? I mean, she sure goes through loop to rescue characters that will, you know, save the world.

I really don't understand the Flemeth most be evil. I am sure she has her own agenda, but I don't really see it as a world destroying one.

Well, even though we agree esper; Flemeth does state that the the world has betrayed her in DA:O, if the warden asks "What has the world done to you" she replies "that's between the world and me."

Okay. I never noticed the option to ask that question or hear that answer. What is the reason the question is asked?

It's after you are supposed to leave the wilds just after getting Morrigan. If you click on Flemeth you can ask her some more questions and ask for advice. One of the questions is "what are you going to do now" if I remember correctly.

[Fallstar]

Knight of Dane wrote...

By that account does my warden have some evil plot in motion because he spared Zevran?

Yes, and it inevitably involves whips, leather and various restraints. Owait, your Warden. No idea then.

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I've yet to be convinced that Flemeth is all that bad. I'm not saying she's good, but someone who wants to kill the protagonists? Yeah, I don't know. She's bitter and hates the world, but she obviously goes out of her way to help our characters out (and Maric as well). Even in addition to that, she shows some sympathy for Ser Wesley and Aveline in the beginning of DA2. For whatever reason, she's not as toxic or smartassy as Morrigan is. That's good enough for me.

Where does she comes across as hating the world or even bitter? I mean, she sure goes through loop to rescue characters that will, you know, save the world.

I really don't understand the Flemeth most be evil. I am sure she has her own agenda, but I don't really see it as a world destroying one.

Well, even though we agree esper; Flemeth does state that the the world has betrayed her in DA:O, if the warden asks "What has the world done to you" she replies "that's between the world and me."

Okay. I never noticed the option to ask that question or hear that answer. What is the reason the question is asked?

I think it was after I asked if she wanted to help further or come with me. Then she remarked about not caring for the world or something along those lines.

Hmm... I never took her too serious with that line. I mean she has a really strang way of humor and her actions are still more world saving than world destroying.