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[Knight of Dane]

DuskWarden wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

By that account does my warden have some evil plot in motion because he spared Zevran?

Yes, and it inevitably involves whips, leather and various restraints. Owait, your Warden. No idea then.

Well, there are whips, but they involve Anora and not Zevran 

[Androme]

esper wrote...

Androme wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I don't think it's obvious. Unless there's a logical reason for the Warden to pop up in the middle of this mage-templar war, I rather doubt that he/she will make an appearance.

The last I recall, the Warden & Hawke disappeared - possibly off doing some sort of mysterious thing that might be important down the line. I just don't think the mysterious thing they're doing will have an impact in DA3.

That last part there, is what seems overwhelmingly most likely, and if Melos response is to be believed, then this mysterious thing somehow involves Morrigan aswell. The thing is, even if the Hero of Ferelden is alive in someones save, this ''mysterious thing'' that the Warden is possible involved in, is somehow related to what our Wardens did in Awakenings (because when Leliana is refering to ''The Warden'' she means the Warden in Awakening, HoF or Orlesian, and said Wardens actions during Awakening, if she didn't. then it's an oversight because she says so even if the HoF is dead, which means the Warden they are searching for is whichever Warden was alive and was played during Awakenings.)

And yes, I believe if BioWare actually has any plans for these characters, and said plan is some big mysterious thing, I don't think it'll be ''concluded'' in DA3, since DA3 seems to be about something completely else, + we don't even know what it is yet. It might be introduced in DA3, but not concluded there.

Why should Hawke even be vaguely interested in Morrigan?

They have barely heard about her and Flemeth was an weird thing happening by the start of da2, which at the end places it seven years in the past. I can assure you that my Hawke wasn't thinking about that anymore, what with a mage-templar war brewing, a possessed lover, and a life on the run.

If I do a school project with two students I've never met in my life, does that mean I ''am interested'' in them? No, I would be interested in said school project, and that's what I meant.

oh btw my warden was thinking about pies throughout all of DAO, he didnt really care about getting setting things straight with loghain or the blight, nah.

[Knight of Dane]

For me Flemeth seems more about "preserving" rather than "conquering" or "saving."

[EdwinLi]

Knight of Dane wrote...


Says who?

The warden can both live and die, the OGB can both be and not be. So far Flemeth hasn't been in charge of changing fate once.

By that account does my warden have some evil plot in motion because he spared Zevran?

that depends on what type of character you make for the Warden.

Flemeth, on the other hand, is made to be a Ethical Egoist character. If there is nothing to gain by saving a person's life then she will not save the person's life.

Flemeth saved the Warden because he or she was needed to stop the Blight which would of destroyed the world.

She sent Morrigan with the Warden in hopes they will create the God Child.

She saved Hawke because she was interested to discover who killed the Ogre.

Everything she does is for her own self interests and not to benefit others.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 07 mai 2013 - 06:34 .

[Knight of Dane]

EdwinLi wrote...

She saved Hawke because she was interested to discover who killed the Ogre.

[ejoslin]

Knight of Dane wrote...


By that account does my warden have some evil plot in motion because he spared Zevran?

Hmmm, you DO set a plot in motion if you spare Zevran -- he wages war on the Crows, and apparently is doing quite well by the time you talk to him in DA2 (going by DAO US slides, he wins the war).

I wonder how that will impact Antiva when the DA series finally gets there.  I wonder how that will impact the Crows in DA3.  My guess is... not at all!

Edit: When I think about all the stuff in my story that won't be accounted for, I care much less about DA3.  I still hope the warden won't be seen, because elves look like insects now, but maybe that will be better by the time DA3 comes around.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mai 2013 - 06:51 .

[Knight of Dane]

The point is not that I SPARED Zevran, the point was that I didn't need a evil motivation "to keep him alive for future uses" which seem to be the sole reasoning for seeing Flemeth as evil herself.

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

Morrigan is an ethical egoist. Flemeth is an enigma, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what her motivation really is.

And yes, I don't see Morrigan's morality as being the same as Flemeth's, btw. Flemeth might have raised her to care upmost for her survival, but that might be only because Flemeth wanted to take over her body one day. She might  instill those values, but then replace them with something entirely different (be it "evil" or "good").

edit: Hell, I don't even know if SHE even knows what she wants. She talks about being directed by Fate a lot instead. Like she merely follows the hand of fate. She predicts Ser Jory's death, the deaths of Ostagar, her chance happenig with Hawke.. she seems to just be surfing the winds of change, and making the most of it.

Perhaps she is simply surviving and getting a good laugh out of being as vague as possible to all the people she met. (Maker knows that what I would do if I was semi-immortal.)

[ejoslin]

Knight of Dane wrote...

The point is not that I SPARED Zevran, the point was that I didn't need a evil motivation "to keep him alive for future uses" which seem to be the sole reasoning for seeing Flemeth as evil herself.

Point, I missed it.  But I got to rant anyway, which makes me a bit happier.

I don't know that Flemeth is evil but I do think there's a lot going on there which will explode.  I tend to take Morrigan at her word when it comes to Flemeth, because the alternative is so much worse (Morrigan being the evil side).

I'm hoping it's far more nuanced so it's not a huge Good Vs. Evil.  Gives me shades of gray in that plot, and leave the evil to the darkspawn.

[The Spirit of Dance]

As I've stated in another thread a while back, the most interesting thing they can do with the warden is let us view his/her journey to the deep roads to battle hordes of darkspawn until the taint claims him/her.

[Mercedes-Benz]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

As I've stated in another thread a while back, the most interesting thing they can do with the warden is let us view his/her journey to the deep roads to battle hordes of darkspawn until the taint claims him/her.

That is still around 20 years off, so it's not going to happen in Dragon Age 3 (unless they make it span 20 years!), not to mention that Fiona has supposedly found a cure for it.

[In Exile]

EdwinLi wrote...
She saved Hawke because she was interested to discover who killed the Ogre.

Well, technically she didn't let Hawke die for that. She saved Hawke in return for the trip with the amulet.

[In Exile]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

As I've stated in another thread a while back, the most interesting thing they can do with the warden is let us view his/her journey to the deep roads to battle hordes of darkspawn until the taint claims him/her.

Unless you deal with the whole Warden wants to use blood magic to live like Avernus problem. This is the problem with the Wardne - anything Bioware does with the character just overwriters the character.

[sandalisthemaker]

It most certainly is not obvious that the Warden will appear in DA3.
He/she is gone OP. What part of *vanished* is so difficult to grasp?

[Mercedes-Benz]

EdwinLi wrote...

esper wrote...



Again. Just flat out no. Some wardens didn't even kill flemeth.

Live or dead. Flemeth will be the greatest threat in the world of DA. one way or the other the Warden will go to hunt down Flemeth to prevent her plans.

What plans are those?

[Mercedes-Benz]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's the million dollar question. Her plans could merely be to get a new body (ala Morrigan), and simply navigate the massive changes coming into the world. But it doesn't sound like she's orchestrating said changes.

If anything, I'd trust a Flemeth on my side over other ungodly threats, like Corypheus.

I somehow doubt that the story about her wanting to possess Morrigan is true, for at least 2 reasons:

1) When you confront her and say "We know how you extand your unnatural lifespan (or something to that effect).", she laughs and says: "That she does, but the question is do you?".

2) Yavana (Flemeth's other daughter) is alive and well (unless maybe in the case you gave the throne to Alistair, but that doesn't have anything to do with Flemeth).

Modifié par Mercedes-Benz, 08 mai 2013 - 10:52 .

[K_Tabris]

I think they have said a few times that the Warden will not make a return. How would they implement that since the Warden can be anything from the stereotypical white male hero to a blue elf and everything in between.

I really don't mind them 'canonizing' certain story lines in the peripheral stories (such as the comics), but in the game, I'd really like to see enough vagueness about the events of past games so player's headcanon's aren't messed with.

[Keeper of Light]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Why is that obvious?

My wardens don't need to come back. Let them stay mine.

Because Leliana and Cassandra were looking for the Warden and Hawke at the end of Dragon Age 2, and I doubt that BioWare would just completely omit both of them from Dragon Age 3.

Leliana is hiding the Wardens location from Cassandra 

The reason behind Cassandra's statement was not to hint at a great plot twist where they find the protagonists, but just that they vanish.

I'll be disappointed if bioware decides to claim my warden.
I couldn't care less about Hawke.

Another "Warden is better than Hawke" type of fan? *rolls eyes* 

Modifié par Darksiders2, 08 mai 2013 - 10:59 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Both the Warden and Hawke will be mentioned in some capacity. That's a given since it's apparently important both are 'missing'.

Hawke MIGHT get an appearance and speaking lines because they are much easier to break down, but the Warden? What are they going to do? Stand in the background, silent with their poker face?

[LilyasAvalon]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

I somehow doubt that the story about her wanting to possess Morrigan is true, for at least 2 reasons:

1) When you confront her and say "We know how you extand your unnatural lifespan (or something to that effect).", she laughs and says: "That she does, but the question is do you?".

2) Yavana (Flemeth's other daughter) is alive and well (unless maybe in the case you gave the throne to Alistair, but that doesn't have anything to do with Flemeth).

Morrigan kinda retcons what she originally said about Flemeth in Witch Hunt: "I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was
immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage,
no abomination... She is not even truly human. The ritual was but a
means to an end, a herald for what is to come."

In regards to Yavana as well, she claims that Flemeth's ritual is 'a gift'. I personally think it is still a form of possession, but not for immortality, rather, for gathering power. Think about it. She has mutliple bodies, multiple identites, all mages, all that power.