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[K_Tabris]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's why I'm happier just sacrificing myself in the Archdemon battle. As Cailan would say:

"Glorious!"

Dying in the Deep Roads.. not exactly glorious. Especially if I turn out like Larius. Or Maker forbid, Ruck.

Lol. I have a feeling there is no need to worry about being like Ruck..he was was probably similar to that before his transformation.

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

That is still around 20 years off, so it's not going to happen in Dragon Age 3 (unless they make it span 20 years!), not to mention that Fiona has supposedly found a cure for it.

I used to assume that Fiona was working on some kind of cure for the taint in Weisshaupt until reading Asunder. I suppose it is still possilbe, but you probably don't want to bet on a cure since it seems tied to a unique/singular event.

[Elrena]

I think the Warden *could* appear, I don't think it's a certainty. In my Varric thread, I suggested that our Hawke's could appear at a masked ball - the same thing could happen for our Wardens. That way, we don't see their faces, we don't have to hear them speak, but people could point out that it was ~ The Hero of Ferelden ~ and those who really want to see their Warden again are satisfied, while those who don't won't have to worry about their avatar being mistreated by the save import system.
Perhaps in saves where the Warden is alive, they could pass on information of some kind through Leliana to aid the Inquisitor, and then leave. This would give their cameo purpose, and if the information was useful but not earth-shaking then it wouldn't give people who did the Dark Ritual or sacrificed Alistair/Loghain an advantage over those who did not.
The same thing could be done with Hawke, though there are less factors to consider there as there is no ending where Hawke dies.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I'd prefer it if the Warden and Hawke not have roles in DA3.

[Kelgair]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Both the Warden and Hawke will be mentioned in some capacity. That's a given since it's apparently important both are 'missing'.

Hawke MIGHT get an appearance and speaking lines because they are much easier to break down, but the Warden? What are they going to do? Stand in the background, silent with their poker face?

I admit I would laugh if the current PC asks the Warden a question and the Warden stares at him blankly for 10 or 20 seconds then hands the player a peice of paper with his answer on it. 

But I think I prefer the missing hero fate Hawke and the Warden currently have.

[Thomas Andresen]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Horrible idea.

Let the Warden go. Just let them go.

This.

DA:O and Awakening is done with. We are done with the Hero of Ferelden. Time to move on. 3 years ago.

[Palidane]

I know this is a very divisive issue, but I really want them to bring the Warden and Hawke back. And not as a cameo, I want Aidan Couseland and Justin Hawke back in black and ready to kick some ass. Maybe not as a full companion, but at least a temporary companion. There's no point in them showing up if its just going to be us seeing them from far away.

If Bioware wanted to be careful, they could let us customize them in the Import section. Design their face, give general personality, go through a checklist etc etc. Dedicated fans could take it in five minutes and get a more-or-less faithful copy of their character, new players can skip it and get a preset.

At the end of the day, I trust Bioware to tell a compelling story with the Warden and Hawke, and I'm not going to try and zealously protect them when they were never mine in the first place.

[esper]

Palidane wrote...

I know this is a very divisive issue, but I really want them to bring the Warden and Hawke back. And not as a cameo, I want Aidan Couseland and Justin Hawke back in black and ready to kick some ass. Maybe not as a full companion, but at least a temporary companion. There's no point in them showing up if its just going to be us seeing them from far away.

If Bioware wanted to be careful, they could let us customize them in the Import section. Design their face, give general personality, go through a checklist etc etc. Dedicated fans could take it in five minutes and get a more-or-less faithful copy of their character, new players can skip it and get a preset.

At the end of the day, I trust Bioware to tell a compelling story with the Warden and Hawke, and I'm not going to try and zealously protect them when they were never mine in the first place.

It is not their look. It is what they say and do. And it is a terrible idea to have them as companion.  No matter what you think off head canon and character creations having the former player character have a too large role steals the new main character's thunder and remove focus.

And that is a bad, bad idea.

[esper]

Elrena wrote...

I think the Warden *could* appear, I don't think it's a certainty. In my Varric thread, I suggested that our Hawke's could appear at a masked ball - the same thing could happen for our Wardens. That way, we don't see their faces, we don't have to hear them speak, but people could point out that it was ~ The Hero of Ferelden ~ and those who really want to see their Warden again are satisfied, while those who don't won't have to worry about their avatar being mistreated by the save import system.
Perhaps in saves where the Warden is alive, they could pass on information of some kind through Leliana to aid the Inquisitor, and then leave. This would give their cameo purpose, and if the information was useful but not earth-shaking then it wouldn't give people who did the Dark Ritual or sacrificed Alistair/Loghain an advantage over those who did not.
The same thing could be done with Hawke, though there are less factors to consider there as there is no ending where Hawke dies.

You are going to ask the very important question of why would they even be at the ball. I know my Hawke would never go.

And I think I know a lot of wardens who would never, ever trust Leliana and my Hawke certainly wouldn't.

[Emma13]

both are suppose to appear as far as am aware and fenris is suppose to be a dead set character to appear here to hope Xxx

[Palidane]

esper wrote...
It is not their look. It is what they say and do. And it is a terrible idea to have them as companion.  No matter what you think off head canon and character creations having the former player character have a too large role steals the new main character's thunder and remove focus. 

And that is a bad, bad idea.

They can just put personality options in the checklist. "Warden hates Blood Mages", "Warden hates humans", "Warden supports Chantry". David Gaider has said that there were certain opinions and views that the Dev team tried to consistently represent, and it shouldn't be too hard to translate those to another game.

And I don't neccessarily want them to make a comeback in DA3. I'm just saying that the way Bioware has handled the issue, they are going to have to return eventually, and there's no point in fighting it. The Hero of Ferelden, Commander of the Grey and Arl of Amaranthine has gone missing, as has the Champion or Kirkwall who started this war in the first place. That isn't something people will just ignore. The Grey Wardens will be searching, the Seekers are already searching, Hawke's companions will be searching, the Inquisitor probably will as well. The way I see it, they can do it one more time and make the Inquisitor disappear at the end of DA3, but then the main plot of DA4 will have to be a manhunt to find the missing heroes. This isn't just going to go away.

[Examurai]

KallianaTabris wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

That is still around 20 years off, so it's not going to happen in Dragon Age 3 (unless they make it span 20 years!), not to mention that Fiona has supposedly found a cure for it.

I used to assume that Fiona was working on some kind of cure for the taint in Weisshaupt until reading Asunder. I suppose it is still possilbe, but you probably don't want to bet on a cure since it seems tied to a unique/singular event.

Who's Fiona again? I don't remember her. Haven't played DA in along while.

[Examurai]

esper wrote...

Elrena wrote...

I think the Warden *could* appear, I don't think it's a certainty. In my Varric thread, I suggested that our Hawke's could appear at a masked ball - the same thing could happen for our Wardens. That way, we don't see their faces, we don't have to hear them speak, but people could point out that it was ~ The Hero of Ferelden ~ and those who really want to see their Warden again are satisfied, while those who don't won't have to worry about their avatar being mistreated by the save import system.
Perhaps in saves where the Warden is alive, they could pass on information of some kind through Leliana to aid the Inquisitor, and then leave. This would give their cameo purpose, and if the information was useful but not earth-shaking then it wouldn't give people who did the Dark Ritual or sacrificed Alistair/Loghain an advantage over those who did not.
The same thing could be done with Hawke, though there are less factors to consider there as there is no ending where Hawke dies.

You are going to ask the very important question of why would they even be at the ball. I know my Hawke would never go.

And I think I know a lot of wardens who would never, ever trust Leliana and my Hawke certainly wouldn't.

Well it doesn't have to be Leliana. I think DA3 may introduce other important characters with equal footing with Leliana, in terms of story-wise. 

Although I do agree with Esper that the important question would be "Why they would be there in the first place?"
But besides that, I reckon its a neat idea of implementing the Warden and Hawke without jeorpedizing their characteristics that we made for them into the story.

[Little Princess Peach]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

And I honestly beleive they will just fade into legend and never be ruined by bad plot twists.

I concur. 

No Hawke or Warden for DA3. I'm making bumper stickers. 

can I have one?

but I would like someone to mention Hawke or the warden if you run into there old team mates that would be nice, for example if you ran into Zeveran again he could mention he was doing fine, but he was doing a special job for the warden because they were held up doing this that or the other, same could be said for hawkes group.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Examurai1 wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

That is still around 20 years off, so it's not going to happen in Dragon Age 3 (unless they make it span 20 years!), not to mention that Fiona has supposedly found a cure for it.

I used to assume that Fiona was working on some kind of cure for the taint in Weisshaupt until reading Asunder. I suppose it is still possilbe, but you probably don't want to bet on a cure since it seems tied to a unique/singular event.

Who's Fiona again? I don't remember her. Haven't played DA in along while.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

[Mykel54]

I think a good idea would be to have a flashback (if you´ve played the witcher 2 you know what i´m talking about) that allows the player to control the warden/hawke for a quest, which explains something the warden/hawke did in the past. During this quest you have several conversation options to determine how your warden is, ex. ruthless or merciful, while you achieve the objective, which may also be a choice (ex. save/destroy powerful artifact)

Then later on the game, your main protagonist meets the warden, which has already been established before in the flashack, and they help each other on some mission, or they fight each other. Whatever happens, the warden´s story ends with death, giving closure to the story of the warden.

[Nightdragon8]

.... imo no, in the Witcher you are still playing the same character, while with DA your not.

I know people are suffering from Shepard syndrom but I want a NEW hero. also more than likly the save data for my hawk/warden wont have the same face or hair, then no thanks.

[Newschmoo]

I just don't think it will be possible. Judging by the difference of appearance between my Shepard in ME2 to ME3, who knows how the warden would end up looking!

I prefer the Warden in a PC role, someone that you control, rather than as bit companion or cameo. Maybe in the future.

[Fiery Knight]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Horrible idea.

Let the Warden go. Just let them go.

If my Warden had made the Ultimate Sacrifice and I knew where Hawke was, then yes I would let them go. But this is not the case. Since BW hasn't stated what they are up to, I can't let them go until it has been settled.

[VendettaI154]

My wish is that if Hawke and/or The Warden are in the game they'll give us a character creator for them and let us choose how they look. Though the chances of that happening are practically zero. I for one would like to see my Warden and the Grey Wardens again. The Wardens are a thousand times more interesting than *yawn* Mages vs. Templars.

Modifié par VendettaI154, 12 mai 2013 - 04:09 .

[Heimdall]

StreetMagic wrote...


The "mage" and "templar" issue has been so entwined with the history of Blights and Wardens that they're two aspects of the same issue. You can't really have one without addressing the other. It goes back as far as the story of Tevinter magisters and the birth of Andraste (who was born after the first Blight). Her religion was created because of the Blight. In a way, it's all one story.

Sorta, but it would be stretching it to say that the Wardens are somehow relevant to the current Mage and Templar issue.  I mean, the Templars want mages locked up because they consider mages dangerous and because of the whole "Magic shall serve man and never rule over him." Thing.  Even if you were to prove mages were not responsible for the Blight, that would be unlikely to change muçh, much less convince anyone to change their minds.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 12 mai 2013 - 07:09 .

[Monica21]

The only way I'd want my Warden to appear in-game is if I'm playing another DA game with my Warden as protaganist. Otherwise, just leave her be.

[Heimdall]

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, it's not to say that the stance of the Wardens ultimately matter. I don't think it does.

I just find it connected to Andraste. She was born the same year (apparently) that the Archdemon Dumat fell by the Grey Wardens. She grew up in this world when the Blight was brand new, and blamed it on the magisters. Her anger was not just connected to their slavery, but to the Blight. It's funny that this debate about magic is still raging on, in a sense.

In any case, I'm just suggesting getting into the whole "world", I guess? Not everything has to be about Grey Wardens killing darkspawn. Just like our planet Earth isn't about.... Navy SEALs or something.

I'm not convinced Andraste was motivated by the Blight, though it depends on how much of the story you believe and how much you decide to fill in the blanks with your own assumptions.  She grew up in a world where the Blight was over and centuries old.  Certainly,the Blight was what turned public opinion against the Old Gods of Tervinter, but the Magisters provided plenty of reason for uprising and were vulnerable after the Blight.