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[zeypher]

depends on the information they release. I really hope they do a big info dump like witcher 3 devs did. If i like what i hear, i will pre order.

[Insomniak]

I was kinda on the fence. I mean, I pre-ordered DA2, ME3, and the Digital Deluxe Edition of The Old Republic and they all kinda flopped.... And when I say "flopped," I mean they each had at least one gaping flaw that made me feel like I did not get my money's worth (I'm not saying they were bad games, mind you). I think this is Bioware's last chance for me. I think I'll preorder it (especially if the incentives are good), but if they disappoint me again... then never again. It's sad, because I really loved their previous titles, and I really want to love this game... but, alas, I am reduced to skepticism and even a little jadedness. I guess we'll have to see what they show us at E3.

@Entropic: I feel your description was fairly accurate... I mean the only real difference was I used a bow and arrow instead of a machine gun - oh and the AI was so incredibly stupid that they couldn't see me when I was shooting at them from point-blank range. That game, particularly the stealth mechanic (typically I'm not a fan of diminishing returns, but they needed to do something), was so broken... yeah, it was a big beautiful sandbox, but it was empty and shallow for the most part. I think I'd rather play Crysis - I at least felt a need to finish the main campaign for that one. Skyrim is to Oblivion as DA2 is to Origins. Their predecessors were much better games.


Wow - I just read over my post aloud.... I sound awful. Maybe it's me? Are my expectations just set too high? Hoping - dreaming - of things that the industry just can't deliver? Or maybe the genre is just getting stale for my taste?

Modifié par javajedi217, 09 mai 2013 - 07:35 .

[AmstradHero]

Nope. I have pre-ordered practically every BioWare game since Neverwinter Nights, but I do not intend to pre-order DA3.

While DA2 and ME3 were reasonably enjoyable, both had significant flaws that gave credence to some of my concerns about the direction of BioWare's games. In DA2's case these were seemingly as a result of trying to rush the game out and limit the on-disc size of the game, and in ME3 there were deeper design (and plot) issues at fault.

I pre-order games that I am highly certain that I will really like, but that tends to be a reasonable small number of games. Given BioWare's last two releases, I no longer have faith that DA3 will be worth an automatic and full price purchase. I'll be waiting until I get a clear picture of the game from players as well as critics.

[AmstradHero]

Grossly off-topic, but I'll bite...
[quote]EntropicAngel wrote...

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...

No it wasn't.

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How so? Functionally, what was different about ME3 in comparison to ME2? BTW, functionally means function--what you're actually doing. That is, cover-based shooting, picking dialog options, etc.
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Presentation and design matters. There is significantly less freedom in ME3 compared to ME2 from an exploration point of view. You've typically got one "core" story at any given time and must pursue that in order to unlock the next segment. Yes, the gunplay is similar (though arguably with slightly more customisation in ME3), but if that's the only component of the game that you're examining, then you may as well just be playing Call of Duty or Unreal Tournament.

Generalising designs until two games are the same is useless for comparing them.

[quote]EntropicAngel wrote...
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You did NOT just call TES a "fantasy first person shooter", did you? You did? HAHAHAHAHAHA! 

[/quote]

How is my description inaccurate? And please--actual arguments.

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One: shooting (bow & arrowing) is not vital to the game. There are other combat methodologies available to the player.
Two: You're treating the game as though the camera perspective defines the genre. In that case all games from an isometric view are the same. Baldur's Gate? That's just the same as DotA, which is the same as Diablo.This is nothing short of ridiculous.
Three: If you really want to define a game's genre, you need to examine the style and atmosphere of play. People who want to play a first person shooter and the style of play that involves will not fire up a TES game, because that's not what they provide. They're about open world exploration and exploring the sandbox - a genre is defined by the player's experience.

In short, calling TES a first person shooter is just grossly inaccurate. Of course, you could be wilfully deceptive and attempting to over-generalise in order to troll, but I would expect more intelligent behaviour than that.

[RPC_RPC]

No preorders from me and exactly for the reasons stated in the OP.

[Arakat]

I'm definitely preordering. I loved both DA:O and DA2, and I like what I'm hearing of DA3 so far, so there is no reason for me to expect that I'd hate it.

[Giubba]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I will be preordering. In fact I plan on getting the Collector's Edition as I have before.

+1

[robertthebard]

Somebody's fishing for support, eh?

[Cathey]

I will be pre-ordering the CE. If there are multiple, I will be pre-ordering the best one.

I love this series and believe in BioWare when they say they are going to make DA3 great.

[laudable11]

BubbleDncr wrote...

I'm going to pre-order the most expensive edition the minute they announce pre-orders are open.

[Fast Jimmy]

javajedi217 wrote...

Wow - I just read over my post aloud.... I sound awful. Maybe it's me? Are my expectations just set too high? Hoping - dreaming - of things that the industry just can't deliver? Or maybe the genre is just getting stale for my taste?

You shouldn't second guess your tastes. If you can go back and fire up older games and still get lots of enjoyment out of them, then you are obviously not outgrowing gaming. If, instead, the games you play coming out today are not holding your interest, then it is a reflection of you not enjoying those games. Having to settle because your expectations are too high when previous games met your expectations doesn't make your expectations unrealistic. 

AmstradHero wrote...

Nope. I have pre-ordered practically every BioWare game since Neverwinter Nights, but I do not intend to pre-order DA3.

While DA2 and ME3 were reasonably enjoyable, both had significant flaws that gave credence to some of my concerns about the direction of BioWare's games. In DA2's case these were seemingly as a result of trying to rush the game out and limit the on-disc size of the game, and in ME3 there were deeper design (and plot) issues at fault.

I pre-order games that I am highly certain that I will really like, but that tends to be a reasonable small number of games. Given BioWare's last two releases, I no longer have faith that DA3 will be worth an automatic and full price purchase. I'll be waiting until I get a clear picture of the game from players as well as critics.

I am in roughly the same boat. I no longer buy games (I rent through Gamefly) but the reason I switched to Gamefly was the sheer level of butthurt I felt for pre-ordering the Collector's Edition of DA2. I sat down afterwards and tried to figure out a way that I would never regret another video game purchase that much ever again... and renting games was my answer.

That being said, I would still not entertain the thought of pre-ordering DA3, even without Gamefly, which is a huge separation of my usualy buying habits for Bioware. This isn't being done out of rage or a feeling of being vindictive, but just a complete lack of faith in Bioware. Lack of faith in EA. Lack of faith in the system. 

Which is also surprising, because I have felt these things before, but never quite like this. I watched as Black Isle sunk down into the waves; I watched as Origin crumbled into decay. I've seen developers fail, even developers fail after they were acquired by the "Great Satan" EA.

Bioware, though, felt like they were the ones who could do the impossible. That they could be the developer that did what others could not. Becoming so jaded against a Bioware product, now, is almost like realizing that Santa Claus doesn't exist, or that your parents didn't take your dog out to a farm, but the vet had put him to sleep instead.

Even if DA3 is great, I will still know no developer can be trusted. Cameron's line earlier was true - you are only as good as your next game. Your last game can mean nothing, these days. Finding out that was true is a lesson many gamers learned years ago... but finding out that there are no exceptions to that rule, including Bioware, or Obsidian, or Valve, or <insert mythical developer here> is a little like watching your super heroes die. Like acknowleding cold, hard reality wins every time. 

That's something that can grind a person down.

[Lt_Riley]

I was going to pre-order the regular game, but after watching volition stab itself in the face with sr4, I'm going to hold back that money and upgrade to the da3 collectors edition.

[Mykel54]

I preordered DA2 and i regreted it. I learned my lesson and this way i avoided preordering ME3 and being disappointed again.

I no longer pre-order any games, i think it is an act of faith giving out your money without really knowing what your are getting, and it is just a result of the lack of patience people have these days. I would rather wait until i can know for sure what i am buying.

[High Kicks]

I think I'll wait this one out. Y'know... play it safe.

[LolaLei]

Unless for some reason I see something in this E3 reveal that seriously puts me off (which I doubt), then yes I'll be pre-ordering.

[Mikoto8472]

No, I won't be pre-ordering.

I'm going to wait until the reviews are out and I can see if the game will provide me with an adequate ending that has closure. If the Inquisitor simply vanishes into thin air with no word of explanation as to what happened to him/her like the Warden and Hawke did, I'm out.

[TarristerWelm]

Not I, not after last 2 showings from this companies sprpg's da2/me3.

Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me.

I didn't learn my lesson after two goes, but I shall not be duped thrice. 

Modifié par TarristerWelm, 09 mai 2013 - 07:36 .

[RobRam10]

Ehh I would wait till E3 to see if it's worth preorder.

[philippe willaume]

yes i will

[Headcount]

After DA2 and ME3... No.

[D1ck1e]

What would warrant pre-ordering? What are the perks?

[ADeadDiehard]

The only time I did that, the ending ended up being a massive failure and the devs clammed up at the criticism.
So no. I'll youtube it first.

[KcK__]

Yes I will. Depending on the situation I might even go and pre-order a possible Collectors Edition. I still enjoyed DA2 though I was little disappointed. And I also enjoyed greatly of ME3 (and the series in general)

[CuriousArtemis]

Loved DA2 and ME3 (playing through ME series right now), so I may actually be pre-ordering my first game, DA3