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[Archonsg]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

We didn't win.
We surrendered.

I hope they never think we all feel this way.

No, they won't.
More the pity, but hey, like Apple Bioware have their fair share of fans who cannot see Bioware possibly do any wrong, just as we were " holding the phones improperly" some of us just don't "understand" the ending right?

Its their Business, and its my consumer dollars.

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea, uh, I didn't surrender.

If it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

[SpamBot2000]

With all the apparent missing of the point, this interview actually does signal some evolution in the institutional thought of BioWare in a correct direction. It's just that it's too little and too late.

While the major problem with the ending was indeed that it did not follow from what took place in the games prior to it, it is not wrong per se for BioWare to realize that they maybe ought to pay some attention to how they are treating the participants in this multi-year experiment. I say participants, because "audience" downplays the interactive nature of this journey we took with them, which BioWare of course should have been fully aware of, since they actively solicited just this sense of participation over these years.

Maybe this is their realization of Artistic Responsibility, the moment it dawns on them that art is not principally about impunity for how you treat people. Because the "artistic integrity" theme was clearly about that. 

But be that as it may, that is no consolation for ruining the Shepard trilogy. Hey, it's nice that you're slowly learning. But I still want my Mass Effect trilogy playable. Not real anxious to pay for your further education until that happens.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 10 mai 2013 - 10:02 .

[vehzeel]

Bittersweet endings are fine and all, but as it stands now, the green space magic ending is simply too unlikely to believe in, even in the light of all technology presented in-game. I really like sci-fi and fantasy games, but coherency/inner consistency is very important. The game took a step in the wrong direction when it stopped bothering about that. The silly ending also diminished all the epic moments during gameplay. I think that's what pissed off the fans.

[Ridwan]

The only time they'll ever admit that the ending was a mistake (should that occur) is when they're not under the EA banner and have no one to account for, but themselves, and more importantly, garnering attention and trying to mend fences with the community to get them to buy their games or sponsor their kickstarter.

It's no surprise that they would make a statement like that.

[Brako Version 5.0]

I'm not going to read the article until I've finished my first complete playthrough. But what do BioWare think RPG characters are about. Its about story and interaction to the point where you feel you truly know them/yourself.

So why on earth did they not feel the audience would feel connected to the characters?

Don't want to seem like a moaning minnie moose-hound. But I'm finding the BioWare desperation quite sickening. Its clear they lost total control during the take over and so now after the release of every new game, they have to do an apology in the hope you buy the next.

I thought the 'please buy Dragon Age 3' desperation letter was laughable. But this is now pathetic. Is a house extension truly worth the loss of reputation and self respect as well as the respect of others? I hope so, because this what the BioWare directors are now left with.

Modifié par Brako Version 5.0, 10 mai 2013 - 11:33 .

[Archonsg]

If they go by way of a kickstarter project, I'd very likely support them, that is as long as Casey Hudson and Mac Walters are "hands off" the project.

I do realize that they were there for ME1-2 which made me love the MEU, and a good part of ME3, but, all it took was that ending, their smug grins and defense of a mistake on their part, refusing ownership, to place their names on my "sh*t list'.

[Ridwan]

Brako Version 5.0 wrote...


I thought the 'please buy Dragon Age 3' desperation letter was laughable.

Hold on there, what? You gotta a link for that? Not trying to be a dick and put you on the spot, I'm genuinely curious.

[Archonsg]

M25105 wrote...

Brako Version 5.0 wrote...


I thought the 'please buy Dragon Age 3' desperation letter was laughable.

Hold on there, what? You gotta a link for that? Not trying to be a dick and put you on the spot, I'm genuinely curious.

This is the firstI have heard of this.
Did it come with the ME Trilogy pack purchase?

[Brako Version 5.0]

It was the homepage for Dragon Age 3 ages ago. Perhaps I read too much into it, but with how they come under fire for the shocking Dragon Age 2 release, it seemed like a desperate attempt to keep the original fans buying the next game.

Its not just BioWare doing this though. A lot of devs/publishers this gen have forgotten what made them successful in the first place. It was a near perfect original outing which brought in millions of fans, only to then cast them aside thinking that they have them in the bag, and try to appeal to a newer audience with a more less in depth approach.

Instead they lose the interest of the new players, the original fans get pissed off because the series becomes a joke, and then everyone is wondering why they're going out of business.

The way to build an empire/solid business, is not by quick thinking and churning out masses of broken products. You build something well, and even none followers will join you as your product is the best of its kind.

[SpamBot2000]

Brako Version 5.0 wrote...

Its not just BioWare doing this though. A lot of devs/publishers this gen have forgotten what made them successful in the first place. It was a near perfect original outing which brought in millions of fans, only to then cast them aside thinking that they have them in the bag, and try to appeal to a newer audience with a more less in depth approach.

Whoa, I just wrote more or less the exact same thing on a different thread simultaneously. I guess lots of us are beginning to notice this trend.

[David7204]

First of all, where is this supposed 'please buy Dragon Age 3' letter?

Secondly, let's not think ourselves original for thinking that some game developers have abandoned certain elements. You hear that every day of the week. It's annoying, frankly.

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Secondly, let's not think ourselves original for thinking that some game developers have abandoned certain elements. You hear that every day of the week. It's annoying, frankly.

Missing the point again, Dave. It's about thinking ourselves part of a general reaction, rather than "original".

And people who live in annoying houses should throw annoyance around, if you catch my drift.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 10 mai 2013 - 01:11 .

[David7204]

That's interesting. Because usually when people use diction like "Whoa, I just wrote more or less the exact same thing" and " lots of us are beginning to notice this trend." they're trying to tout something (and themselves) as new, original, revolutionary...that sort of thing.

Modifié par David7204, 10 mai 2013 - 01:15 .

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

That's interesting. Because usually when people use diction like "Whoa, I just wrote more or less the exact same thing" and " lots of us are beginning to notice this trend." they're trying to tout something (and themselves) as new, original, revolutionary...that sort of thing.

Because nothing says "I'm new and original" like saying "Hey, I think the same as others"?

[David7204]

Oh, you think the same as a small, select group of radical freethinkers who refuse to conform. But the 'whoa' in front implies that you're thinking something totally different than the brainwashed grey corporate masses, aren't you?

Modifié par David7204, 10 mai 2013 - 01:21 .

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Oh, you think the same as a small, select group of radical freethinkers who refuse to conform. But the 'whoa' in front implies that you're thinking something totally different than the brainwashed grey corporate masses, aren't you?

Actually it implies that I wish to point out that I was surprised to see someone else post some of the exact same words a couple of minutes before I did to convey that I did not read those words there before I posted mine, effectively ripping off what I had just read. Because that would give an embarrassing picture of me as someone who would just parrot some words immediately on hearing them, with no thought on the matter. 

Happy now?

[T-Raks]

The lesson should be "a well thought through story with an ending being influenced by earlier decisions" not "more character closure". The ending was presented the wrong way. There shouldn't be an ending to choose, but an ending developing out of what happened - what you did - before. The story is THE most important thing!

I hope that this lesson is learned and that the lessons they speak about are mostly PR talk while they don't want to speak about the ending(s).

[MegaSovereign]

You two should get some avatars FFS.

[The Night Mammoth]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You two should get some avatars FFS.

Actually, I think that bland, uninteresting face perfectly encapsulates David's relentless forum persona. It's like your astronaut sloth. Or Seival's creepy indoctrinated Shepard, or Nightwriter's hippster Lisa, or Optymistic_X's freaky f*cking frog. 

[SpamBot2000]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You two should get some avatars FFS.

Actually, I think that bland, uninteresting face perfectly encapsulates David's relentless forum persona. It's like your astronaut sloth. Or Seival's creepy indoctrinated Shepard, or Nightwriter's hippster Lisa, or Optymistic_X's freaky f*cking frog. 

And I don't have a personality at all, so it's cool for me as well.

But seriously, don't you people hate it when a beloved character seems to spew nothing but deep derp BS? I always thought I was considerate to spare people that. Even the misguided people who don't agree with my insights.

And that frog is just a hypno-toad wannabe.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 10 mai 2013 - 04:07 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

For every dumb Garrus there was a decent Garrus so I don't particularly care tbh. Alternatively you can always go with something that isn't a character at all. Here's a spambot:

[SpamBot2000]

Ewww.

[MegaSovereign]

You could never go wrong with sloths FYI.