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[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You could never go wrong with sloths FYI.

In keeping with the whole "bot" theme...

[SpamBot2000]

I liked the sloth-bot, but I should go. First few drinks I've had in months, and I feel peculiar.

If I post something here in the next 12 hours, it is probably the booze talking.

[MegaSovereign]

Archonsg wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea, uh, I didn't surrender.

If it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

Actually, I think just one time is sufficient.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Archonsg wrote...


More the pity, but hey, like Apple Bioware have their fair share of fans who cannot see Bioware possibly do any wrong, just as we were " holding the phones improperly" some of us just don't "understand" the ending right?

It's not just BioWare or apple I think it is gamers in general. There are people who call Aliens Colonial Marines a "good game" and there is no crappier product than something like that. According to what they're saying it sold about 1.3 millon and honestly while there was false advertising and everything, I'm sure there was plenty of people who bought it regardless. If you ask me, gamers give publisher's the excuse to get away with this, and as such I expect there will be a lot of people who will throw their money at DA3 regardless of what has happened in the past, I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that but I've seen it happen before with other companies. 

[TheProtheans]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea, uh, I didn't surrender.

If it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

Actually, I think just one time is sufficient.

I was thinking you put little thought into things.
One time is enough, I'm jelly.

[CronoDragoon]

chemiclord wrote...

How many TV series can you think of that end all that particularly well? I can only think of a small handful outside of ones that set an episode limit from the start and stick to it without getting baited into more seasons.  Otherwise, they all kinda end in this amorphous blob of WTF because the writing staff had no earthly idea where they were going with it by the time the last episode came into view.

I mean, it's POSSIBLE to write by the seat of your pants and make it work... but it is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.

I'd suggest Angel, but that'd probably end up supporting your point since it didn't get a chance to linger on for a bunch of seasons. I'm not sure what it says about TV that the best ending for a series was one in which the series was cancelled mid-season.

I think the Wire had a good ending, too. Legend of Korra I liked, but then they ordered more seasons for it.

Probably the first time in history Angel, the Wire, and Legend of Korra were all used in the same post.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 10 mai 2013 - 05:50 .

[Megaton_Hope]

CronoDragoon wrote...
I'd suggest Angel, but that'd probably end up supporting your point since it didn't get a chance to linger on for a bunch of seasons. I'm not sure what it says about TV that the best ending for a series was one in which the series was cancelled mid-season.

Whuh? Big Cordelia Chase fan or something?

[CronoDragoon]

Megaton_Hope wrote...
Whuh? Big Cordelia Chase fan or something?

What do you mean? I don't recall Cordelia even being a part of Angel's series finale. I do like her, though.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 10 mai 2013 - 05:57 .

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

How many TV series can you think of that end all that particularly well? I can only think of a small handful outside of ones that set an episode limit from the start and stick to it without getting baited into more seasons.  Otherwise, they all kinda end in this amorphous blob of WTF because the writing staff had no earthly idea where they were going with it by the time the last episode came into view.

I mean, it's POSSIBLE to write by the seat of your pants and make it work... but it is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.

I'd suggest Angel, but that'd probably end up supporting your point since it didn't get a chance to linger on for a bunch of seasons. I'm not sure what it says about TV that the best ending for a series was one in which the series was cancelled mid-season.

I think the Wire had a good ending, too. Legend of Korra I liked, but then they ordered more seasons for it.

Probably the first time in history Angel, the Wire, and Legend of Korra were all used in the same post.

Others:

House
Magnum PI (the second time, at least)
The Fugitive
Babylon 5 (though it was a planned finale for their five season arc)
MASH

[chemiclord]

CronoDragoon wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

How many TV series can you think of that end all that particularly well? I can only think of a small handful outside of ones that set an episode limit from the start and stick to it without getting baited into more seasons.  Otherwise, they all kinda end in this amorphous blob of WTF because the writing staff had no earthly idea where they were going with it by the time the last episode came into view.

I mean, it's POSSIBLE to write by the seat of your pants and make it work... but it is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.

I'd suggest Angel, but that'd probably end up supporting your point since it didn't get a chance to linger on for a bunch of seasons. I'm not sure what it says about TV that the best ending for a series was one in which the series was cancelled mid-season.

I think the Wire had a good ending, too. Legend of Korra I liked, but then they ordered more seasons for it.

Probably the first time in history Angel, the Wire, and Legend of Korra were all used in the same post.

Legend of Korra will be a very interesting series to see how it develops... because the original plan was pretty damn good.  They knew where they were going, they knew how long they were going to run it, and thus made it work.  It'll be something to see if they kinda start wandering off and losing focus with seasons that likely were NOT planned.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You two should get some avatars FFS.

Actually, I think that bland, uninteresting face perfectly encapsulates David's relentless forum persona. It's like your astronaut sloth. Or Seival's creepy indoctrinated Shepard, or Nightwriter's hippster Lisa, or Optymistic_X's freaky f*cking frog.

:lol:

[CronoDragoon]

chemiclord wrote...

Legend of Korra will be a very interesting series to see how it develops... because the original plan was pretty damn good.  They knew where they were going, they knew how long they were going to run it, and thus made it work.  It'll be something to see if they kinda start wandering off and losing focus with seasons that likely were NOT planned.

True, but I actually have faith in those guys. They seem to understand drama, as evidenced by Avatar's season 2 finale, one of the best season finales I've seen.

One thing they will have trouble dealing with, however, is the way in which extending the series puts a giant question mark on the future of the Korra/whateverhisnameis romance. Everyone knows a "happy" relationship is dangerous for shows. I predict a series-long angst-ridden cycle of breakups and makeups that leave me gagging.

[twinsfun]

bioware will lose money if they stop caring

[The Night Mammoth]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You two should get some avatars FFS.

Actually, I think that bland, uninteresting face perfectly encapsulates David's relentless forum persona. It's like your astronaut sloth. Or Seival's creepy indoctrinated Shepard, or Nightwriter's hippster Lisa, or Optymistic_X's freaky f*cking frog.

:lol:

Correction, Optymistic_X's freaky f*cking wizard.

[chemiclord]

twinsfun wrote...

bioware will lose money if they stop caring

They will lose money if they stop producing products people are willing to buy.

However they wish to make products people wish to buy is their problem.

[Arcian]

>Lessons
>Learned
Nice try, Biodudes.

[Bizinha]

chemiclord wrote...

twinsfun wrote...

bioware will lose money if they stop caring

They will lose money if they stop producing products people are willing to buy.

However they wish to make products people wish to buy is their problem.

Looking at the topic of who will make preorder DA3, the to see that they still have much market.
There is no reason for them to worry about ...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/16656289

Modifié par Bizinha, 10 mai 2013 - 08:23 .

[JPN17]

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

How many TV series can you think of that end all that particularly well? I can only think of a small handful outside of ones that set an episode limit from the start and stick to it without getting baited into more seasons.  Otherwise, they all kinda end in this amorphous blob of WTF because the writing staff had no earthly idea where they were going with it by the time the last episode came into view.

I mean, it's POSSIBLE to write by the seat of your pants and make it work... but it is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.

I'd suggest Angel, but that'd probably end up supporting your point since it didn't get a chance to linger on for a bunch of seasons. I'm not sure what it says about TV that the best ending for a series was one in which the series was cancelled mid-season.

I think the Wire had a good ending, too. Legend of Korra I liked, but then they ordered more seasons for it.

Probably the first time in history Angel, the Wire, and Legend of Korra were all used in the same post.

Others:

House
Magnum PI (the second time, at least)
The Fugitive
Babylon 5 (though it was a planned finale for their five season arc)
MASH

Chuck had a good ending, even though it started to slowly become the amorphous blob routine going. I don't blame that on the writers, but the Network. After Season 2, the show was in perpetual danger of getting cancelled, and the writers, cast, and crew had to constantly keep trying to keep on the "are we cancelled/not cancelled" ball. Season 5 was started with the definitive end in sight with the writers stating that they were going to finish the series, though once more it had the open possiblilty of being renewed placed at the end at NBC's insistence. For every season and mid-season after Season 2 though, it was pretty iffy.

Dexter is a show that has been suffering this since the 5th season. Season 7 was incredible with Yvonne Strahovski and Ray Stevenson, but both characters kind of got screwed, though Yvonne's character is the first single-season character to be ascended past that. She'll be in the last season which is 8.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

JPN17 wrote...

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

I hides something even worse than sheer ignorance. 

Complete incompetence. So long as Casey Hudson or Mac Walters have anything to do with Mass Effect, it's over for me.

[Matthias King]

The best part of the article for me was from Dusty Everman, "...I've learned that a bittersweet ending is much easier to watch in a movie than to experience in a long RPG, where the player is very invested in the protagonist," when asked what the main takeaway from the negative reaction to the ending.

Casey Hudson was quoted spouting more of his usual inexplicably stupid BS in his usual corporate-slick way, and Mike Gamble was quoted spouting basically the same BS rephrased. Both responses came off like disingenuous, pre-release marketing PR talk.

Dusty Everman's response was the one that seemed genuine, and more importantly, didn't entirely miss, or actively avoid the point.

That's been the problem with Casey Hudson regarding the ending. Not missing the point, but actively avoiding it.

Overall the article is a pretty good read, but nothing earth-shattering. I was really hoping to hear something to the effect of, "yes, we realize the ending sucked beyond belief, we're sorry it sucked so bad, we promise to stop sucking when we're working on ME4," but no such luck.

Modifié par Matthias King, 10 mai 2013 - 10:27 .

[chemiclord]

Matthias King wrote...
Overall the article is a pretty good read, but nothing earth-shattering. I was really hoping to hear something to the effect of, "yes, we realize the ending sucked beyond belief, we're sorry it sucked so bad, we promise to stop sucking when we're working on ME4," but no such luck.

Considering THAT was pretty much NEVER going to happen... I dunno, man.  When you are never going to get what you want, but continue to expect and demand it, it ceases to be their problem, and becomes yours.

[MegaSovereign]

TheProtheans wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea, uh, I didn't surrender.

If it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

Actually, I think just one time is sufficient.

I was thinking you put little thought into things.
One time is enough, I'm jelly.

Seriously, if you're going to insult me then at least try a little harder.

[chris2365]

As someone who finds the EC endings decent, I'm glad they took lessons from this. However, I'm getting the feeling that they didn't learn everything they could have. I'm reading alot of ''Well, people needed more closure with the characters'', and similar. While that is true, Bioware has to realize that the endings were hated for more than just that.

Many people hate the endings simply because of the way it was presented. The Catalyst obviously ranks as the number 1 most hated character in the series. Bioware has to (or should have) realize why he was a primary source of all their complaints. Had the ending had more variety or simply been better presented or foreshadowed, it would have been better received by the community.

The type of ending Bioware wanted to deliver was not a bad one. The concept and general feel of the endings could have been pulled off. It's that most people wanted a simple ending with an awesome cutscenes, the choices making impacts and having all the loopholes tied up, and instead they got a whole emotional shift in the last 15 minutes. People could have been fine with the amount of closure if the Catalyst had given enough detail and choice to Shepard.

[Matthias King]

chemiclord wrote...

Matthias King wrote...
Overall the article is a pretty good read, but nothing earth-shattering. I was really hoping to hear something to the effect of, "yes, we realize the ending sucked beyond belief, we're sorry it sucked so bad, we promise to stop sucking when we're working on ME4," but no such luck.

Considering THAT was pretty much NEVER going to happen... I dunno, man.  When you are never going to get what you want, but continue to expect and demand it, it ceases to be their problem, and becomes yours.

Not true.  It will be their problem if they continue to do things the same way.  Another DA:2 and another ME3 ending and they may find themselves going to the unemployment line instead of going to work.