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[yukon fire]

... Ok.

May of 2013, Bioware finally enters the bargaining stage.

[David7204]

I don't know how to change my avatar.

[Iakus]

JPN17 wrote...

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

Yup.  When you keep telling people what they want to hear, rather than dealing with them straight up, it eventually catches up with you.

Cersei Lannister was wrong:  words are not just wind.

Modifié par iakus, 10 mai 2013 - 11:04 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...

I don't know how to change my avatar.

Profile on sidebar-->change profile photo-->select one from options

[Matthias King]

iakus wrote...

JPN17 wrote...

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

Yup.  When you keep telling people what they want to hear, rather than dealing with them straight up, it eventually catches up with you.

Sersi Lannister was wrong:  words are not just wind.

Yea, I thought the exact same thing when I read that quote, because I remember him saying crap like that back before the game came out.  It's unbelievable.  Just unbelievable.

The guy only speaks in corporate PR soundbytes and I doubt he would know the truth if it landed on his face and wiggled.

[chemiclord]

Matthias King wrote...
Not true.  It will be their problem if they continue to do things the same way.  Another DA:2 and another ME3 ending and they may find themselves going to the unemployment line instead of going to work.

Yes true.  If they want to continue doing things this way... so be it.  It's their choice.  If their business collapses because of it... so be it.  

If you don't like the direction they are going, and have already said your peice on that score, continuing to come here and demand things they will not ever give you is your problem.  No matter how long you scream at that wall, it's not going to move.  Continuing to scream at it isn't the fault of the wall.

Modifié par chemiclord, 10 mai 2013 - 10:57 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

I don't know how to change my avatar.

Keep it, it suits you tbh.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't know how to change my avatar.

Keep it, it suits you tbh.  

Indeed.

[Argolas]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't know how to change my avatar.

Keep it, it suits you tbh.  

As does yours.

[GHNR]

Argolas wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't know how to change my avatar.

Keep it, it suits you tbh.  

As does yours.

But he has so many....

[spirosz]

I do have many, yes.

[yukon fire]

Actually King its worse than that, Mr Hudson, Gamble & to lesser extent Walters all continue to speak as if they have no idea what a poor quality game they not only signed off on, but stuck their necks out with pre release quotes. How? These guys were the ones in charge if they weren't overseeing everything who was? And what were these guys doing? I suspect this new IP that Casey has been mostly silent about is the answer, I believe that not only was it being developed at the same time as ME3 but these three chose to spend their time on that rather then overseeing and ensuring the quality of ME3.

[GHNR]

spirosz wrote...

I do have many, yes.

Can I vote for your next one being Aang waving his butt at Zhao?

[spirosz]

GHNR wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I do have many, yes.

Can I vote for your next one being Aang waving his butt at Zhao?

Lmaooooo, I'll think about it.  

[Matthias King]

I suppose that's entirely possible. I hadn't thought about that before, but I could see that divided attention scenario being at least somewhat true.

The part that gets me is exactly what you said. Them still acting like they have no idea what the problem is or that they were part of it. I've heard several people describe Casey Hudson as extremely intelligent, which I'm inclined to believe, which means that he knows full well, but ignores, refuses to acknowledge, plays dumb, uses distraction, whatever the case may be at the time.

In any event, his soundbyte about the ending controversy being nearly the same as his pre-release marketing soundbyte in 2011 paints a pretty unsettling picture and illustrates perfectly that he learned absolutely zero from the ending controversy.

[yukon fire]

Yeah if they divided their time it would explain how completely clueless their pre release quotes were, but the way the set up the writer for ME3 plays a role in it as well in the collectors book Walters talked about in the previous MEs that all the writers "had to wear many hats" and that they often worked in groups. He than brags that with ME3 they were able to have people work on things independently, now that's ok if you got a plan going in, which they didn't, or if the people in charge are dedicated in their overseeing everything (which I suspect these three weren't). So we got a game that in parts can be good but together as a game and as part of a trilogy is utter crap.

[TheRealJayDee]

JPN17 wrote...

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

Can we have a source for the 2011 quote? Not that I personally doubt he said this, but there are always people who accuse folks of taking quotes out of context, twisting their meanings etc.

As for this pairing of quotes: a clear case of "it would be damn funny if it wasn't so very sad"...

[drayfish]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

JPN17 wrote...

So Casey now you say this:

"We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would
want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in
the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the
universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will
be built into our future games."

But way back in 2011 you said this:

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live
in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to
be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If
you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just
live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

You see Casey it's stuff like this that gets people so upset.

Can we have a source for the 2011 quote? Not that I personally doubt he said this, but there are always people who accuse folks of taking quotes out of context, twisting their meanings etc.

As for this pairing of quotes: a clear case of "it would be damn funny if it wasn't so very sad"...

May 2011 issue of Game Informer.

You can see a whole bunch of other such contradictions here:

http://social.biowar...15835633-1.html

[Modius Prime]

 1) They still believe it was a minority that was mad about the ending
www.nowgamer.com/news/1901057/mass_effect_3_lead_writer_returns_for_sequel_defends_ending.html

Walters explained he didn't think the majority of Mass Effect fans had an issue with the ending, with only a vocal minority not liking it.

A minority that was so non-vocal that BW changed the ending of their 'finished' product?

2) The characters for me were what made me love the series, but separate from it is the logic of the ending; it just doesn't fit Mass Effect. It seems very religious (Like Shepard is Jesus, dying for our sins), forced (the story needs to end, blah, blah, blah), and not as complex/developed as a lot of the other scenes in the game. One of the greatest things about ME was how many choices were implemented in the game that truly made it into an individual experience, but at the last minute, it seems like it became a ubiquitous A, B, C that was thematically similar for everyone. For a game about cinematic experiences, I don't the slides of the EC did the ending much justice...

3) Don't make a character writer into a storywriter. AND check for logical inconsistencies with the WHOLE team.

4) Fans are entitled. We buy your products, thus keeping firms in business. Don't patronize us.

5) Make the game less like a FPS, and more RPG. More character interaction (keep the auto-dialogue for the non-essential NPC's), less dumbed down features (more custom features, similar to ME1, but more organized), less linearity (open-ness, like the first Citadel), deeper connections with the universe, exploration, and side-missions that actually have value/meaning. For scanning, I actually wanted to see that Asari ship (and in the big space battle) that I found in X nebula/whatever, not just a 'gained a war asset' sign.

Modifié par Modius Prime, 11 mai 2013 - 01:48 .

[Matthias King]

Saying it was a very vocal minority is their way of downplaying it, but the same way that Casey Hudson intentionally missing the point of ending complaints.

They know full well, believe me..

[Reorte]

The only way the minority thing could hold up to any scrutiny is by considering that when it comes to a game most people won't be that bothered to be moved either way even if it's utterly brilliant or the worst thing ever created. All you can look at are the number and nature of the people who do say anything and even taking into account that people are more likely to complain than praise they're deluding themselves.

[yukon fire]

I think the only lesson that's been learned (at least by the Dragon Age team) has been not to speak about anything pre-release, other than that they don't think they've done anything wrong, which actually speaks volumes about the current Bioware.

[Reorte]

yukon fire wrote...

I think the only lesson that's been learned (at least by the Dragon Age team) has been not to speak about anything pre-release, other than that they don't think they've done anything wrong, which actually speaks volumes about the current Bioware.

I suspect you might be right but as I said earlier even if they have learned it's far-fetched to expect them to come out and say it; the only way we'll know is by seeing what the next game comes up with (or the game after that probably, doubt anything will be completely redesigned mid-development).

[dreamgazer]

Reorte wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

I think the only lesson that's been learned (at least by the Dragon Age team) has been not to speak about anything pre-release, other than that they don't think they've done anything wrong, which actually speaks volumes about the current Bioware.

I suspect you might be right but as I said earlier even if they have learned it's far-fetched to expect them to come out and say it; the only way we'll know is by seeing what the next game comes up with (or the game after that probably, doubt anything will be completely redesigned mid-development).

I doubt they started hardcore development on MEWhatever until a few months after the last one was released, and even then they were aware of the backlash---minority or majority.  The next game will be very telling. 

[Matthias King]

When the game came out, there were literally thousands of people who were just completely disgusted with the game. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of people, and those were just the people who gave enough of a crap to complain.

Bioware was coming under serious fire and had no choice but to respond. The response they chose was the Extended Cut.

However, by maintaining the image, still to this day, that it was an extremely small, but extremely vocal minority, they save face. They pretend like it's the truth and keep saying it anytime the opportunity arises in order to downplay just how overwhelmingly negative the response to the ending was.

It's PR, spin, and damage control. Corporate culture at it's finest. But don't believe it.