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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Or, at least, he isn't being very co-operative with me.

After playing around with the Paladin a few months ago, I specc'd out of Energy Drain, because I could never get it to work properly. A few different situations have come up where people are suggesting I go back and give Energy Drain another try, so I did.

It still ain't working... at least not for me. Hopefully, someone can help me out with these:

1. I don't get shields back
Or, rather, I get a very miniscule amount. This was the same problem that used to happen. On the rare occasions I would successfully target someone with shields, I wouldn't end up getting more than small percentage back, or nothing at all. I suppose lag could have something to do with it, but almost all my Paladin games have been on-host, so I think I'm doing something wrong.

2. I can't get explosions/combos
I've never managed a fire explosion or Tech Burst using Energy Drain. Out of dozens of attempts to detonate Snap Freeze, I have managed precisely one Cryo Explosion. I get a Fire explosion every time I detonate Snap Freeze with Incinerate, so I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 08 mai 2013 - 03:16 .

[NYG1991]

The amount of shields gained is related to the shield damage. If you drain an enemy with full shields you'll get your shield bar filled. If they only have a little, then you gain a little.

[IvoKee]

For 2, this seems to work only on shielded targets, snap freeze a shielded target, then energy drain, this will give a cryo explosion every time (if the still have shields left before you use energy drain)

[NYG1991]

#2. The fire explosion mechanic is bugged with him. If you incinerate then snap freeze, the explosion radiates around him. Energy drain has such a short time frame to detonate, it makes tech bursts pretty rare. The most reliable way to self detonate on the enemy is to detonate your snap freeze w/ ED(shields) or incinerate(armor). I think ED will detonate incinerate on a shielded enemy, not sure about health.

[Homey C-Dawg]

1. ED only drains shields from enemies that still have shields/barriers. On gold/plat, they don't need much shields left to fully regen yours.

2. ED can only prime or detonate if the enemy still has shields/barriers.

I find ED most useful for the damage reduction.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 08 mai 2013 - 03:09 .

[DinkumGem]

LG alignment requirement for Paladins ended with D&D 3.5. What did you expect from a CN Paladin?

[HolyAvenger]

2. ED can only prime or detonate if the enemy still has shields/barriers.

 

And on synthetics even if only health or armour.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

DinkumGem wrote...

LG alignment requirement for Paladins ended with D&D 3.5. What did you expect from a CN Paladin?

Valid point.

[megabeast37215]

I miss playing D&D... I DO NOT miss being the DM though (DM'ed for 7 straight years).

Dinkum: Really? I never played past 3.5... how does a CN Paladin work?

Modifié par megabeast37215, 08 mai 2013 - 03:14 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

OK, I think I have it, at least as far as the combinations go.

I had no idea the target had to have remaining shields for a combo to work. That having been said, I'm still pretty sure I was having problems detonating Shielded Targets with Energy Drain off of Snap Freeze. I wouldn't know why, could Barriers have anything to do with it?

[SilentStep79]

just looked at your build.
will PM you some tips.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I miss playing D&D... I DO NOT miss being the DM though (DM'ed for 7 straight years).

Dinkum: Really? I never played past 3.5... how does a CN Paladin work?

I had to give up being a DM.

It's a TONNE of work.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

OK, I think I have it, at least as far as the combinations go.

I had no idea the target had to have remaining shields for a combo to work. That having been said, I'm still pretty sure I was having problems detonating Shielded Targets with Energy Drain off of Snap Freeze. I wouldn't know why, could Barriers have anything to do with it?

It shouldn't. ED treats barriers exactly like shields.

HolyAvenger wrote...
And on synthetics even if only health or armour.

Yes, forgot that part. Also worth noting that using ED on an unshielded geth will not regen as much shields as using on a shielded one.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 08 mai 2013 - 03:23 .

[megabeast37215]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I miss playing D&D... I DO NOT miss being the DM though (DM'ed for 7 straight years).

Dinkum: Really? I never played past 3.5... how does a CN Paladin work?

I had to give up being a DM.

It's a TONNE of work.

Fo sho! I would typically put in 2-4 hours of writing/research each week for 6ish hours of play... it was like a mini-job.

Funny story: We did a campaign where the garage we played in was teleported into the D&D Universe Wizard of Oz style, along with us and everything in it (including a blue 2000 Volkswagon Bug w/ 1/2 a tank of gas, SCUBA gear, tools, etc). We played as ourselves and I assigned everyone stat points (no way my scrawny buddy Aaron who weighs 110 lbs soaking wet is getting a 15+ strength).

Anyway.... If you ever wanna see a chick get really butthurt, give her a Charisma score that's 10 or less lol! There isn't a butthurt gif on the whole internet that would do it justice.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

OK, I think I have it, at least as far as the combinations go.

I had no idea the target had to have remaining shields for a combo to work. That having been said, I'm still pretty sure I was having problems detonating Shielded Targets with Energy Drain off of Snap Freeze. I wouldn't know why, could Barriers have anything to do with it?

It shouldn't. ED treats barriers exactly like shields.

OK. I'll pay close attention as I keep playing. I think I became enamoured of the simplicity and directness of the Snap Freeze/Incinerate combo. My new Energy Drain-inclusive one is going to have a bit of a learning curve to get things to work a little better for me.

Good thing he's fun to play! :happy:

[FateNeverEnds]

Like stated already, ED will prime and detonate enemies with shields/barriers. I love cryo exploding teleporting banshees. If you have a short cooldown (200% if I'm right) you can ED then Inc/SF for a TB on shielded enemies and synthetics.

But what I really love about ED is using it right after SF on a full shielded enemy, ED plus the resulting cryo exp will do a ton of damage.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

d20iwin Inc

You can ED then SF and get tech bursts on unshileded enemies i was doing it lastnight against reaper cannibals and husks.... and it felt weird... like it shouldn't be happening... but alas it was!

ws a bronze solo just to see how easy u could get kills with tech vs cryo so i dunno why it was working but if i somehow haxxed my lolps3 tell me how cause i'm confused....:?i know you can incinerate -->ED for a fire explosion on shielded enemies but i  kinda either forgot or never knew he could get tech burst kills just as easy on mooks

:wizard:bring on the slowbro!

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 08 mai 2013 - 03:34 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I miss playing D&D... I DO NOT miss being the DM though (DM'ed for 7 straight years).

Dinkum: Really? I never played past 3.5... how does a CN Paladin work?

I had to give up being a DM.

It's a TONNE of work.

Fo sho! I would typically put in 2-4 hours of writing/research each week for 6ish hours of play... it was like a mini-job.

Funny story: We did a campaign where the garage we played in was teleported into the D&D Universe Wizard of Oz style, along with us and everything in it (including a blue 2000 Volkswagon Bug w/ 1/2 a tank of gas, SCUBA gear, tools, etc). We played as ourselves and I assigned everyone stat points (no way my scrawny buddy Aaron who weighs 110 lbs soaking wet is getting a 15+ strength).

Anyway.... If you ever wanna see a chick get really butthurt, give her a Charisma score that's 10 or less lol! There isn't a butthurt gif on the whole internet that would do it justice.

I made a bunch of friends stupid-mad in a GURPS game we played that went somewhat like that. When I'm a little more "athletically active" I can get up around 145, but otherwise I'm a wee fella in the grand scheme of things.

But I took wrestling, Judo, and a buncha other crap as a kid, and we were allowed to take skills like that with our characters.

In Gurps, wrestling basically replaces strength for all your contests, and when I got turned into a zombie (ours was inspired by Evil Dead II/Army of Darkness) I ended up killing all my friends. Every time I won a combat roll, dice, pencils, accusations, and complaints would fly! 

[DinkumGem]

Role playing was minimized in D&D 4.0, but we are currently play testing 5.0, where it is making a come back. I've been playing with my group for an embarrassing 26 yrs. It's what nerds did before xbox.

[Miniditka77]

The priming window for ED is very short, and it can be difficult to get your cooldowns low enough to be capable of self-detonating Tech Bursts with ED as the primer.  I think others have fully explained the restrictions for using ED as a detonator.

Also, I believe the Paladin's ED restores less shields than the Salarians' ED.  I know it's based on the amount of shields the enemies have left, as someone else said above.

[bogsters23]

you can cryo explode kill phantoms with ED as detonator on gold i think. i play paladin mostly on gold for melee trip against mooks.

[cronshaw]

Came looking for D&D talk, not disappointed
Since there seem to be some PnPers here I was wondering if you think there would be a market for a ME PnP game seems like a really fecund universe for developing a game

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I like where this thread has gone. 

Also, thanks everyone. I had a couple of rough games, forcing myself to try and put some of this into practice, complete with early wipes. Pain's a good teacher sometimes.

My most recent game went very well, considering I'm re-learning the kit.

E-peenish, I know, but since the BSNers in this thread deserve some of the credit, it's shared E-peen:



Don't misinterpret my intent, the PuGs deserve a lot of credit, too. They were all good, they all had equipment on (although one only had Drill III, but he did well) and they all handled objectives really well.

Especially the Krolord.

He and I had some sweet synergy happening, rushing into the crowds, and using Snap-Freeze/Electric Hammer CQC Melee fun. He had to revive me quite a few times, since I'm not really good at that kind of thing.

My favourite part was when I put down my OmniShield and sucked up two pyro flamers and a Maurauder while he smacked 'em with his Hammer, standing just behind me.

The two biggest things that made a difference:

1. Geth. Weird, but Energy Drain helped make the Geth sorta easier, actually, than Cerberus or Collectors.

2. Phasics. An ammo type that didn't prime was probably essential to getting the hang of ED, since I'm still learning which ammo types can be detonated by which powers.

[HolyAvenger]

He wrecks geth because ED works on them all the time. IMO he's one of the best kits to play against Geth.

I usually run AP ammo on him.

[Dalakaar]

To the DM's.

I know your pain, I'm 30 now and been GMing (I usually make my own systems now) since 16. Just last weekend my roommate poignantly suggested we start a campaign. =/ It gets a bit tiring particularly when I know we'll never ever ever eveverevereverrrevererever finish the damn thing.

To the OP. Something to consider when using ED vs Incin are the methods of travel, using an ED when an incinerate isn't going to cut it (Incinerate is bad at indoors sometimes for instance). Vice versa, ED can't reliably hit enemies behind cover, so incin helps dramatically. As far as 1 and 2 questions, got some solid answers above me.

As far as ammo, incin for silliness, or I sometimes will take power and light materials on a talon and let AP cover my piercing. All depends what spec I'm running really, I think after my "Paladin builds" thread I've tried every iteration of paladin there is.

(FYI my most successful is 6/6/6/5/3, and the most fun I've had is 6/3/6/5/6 shield bashing butts.)