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[dasfranken]

On platinum I'd say 4th place should have at least half of 1st place's score (don't care about the actual numbers) since there are lots and lots of enemies to kill.

On gold I don't really have a guideline since it's really easy with experienced players (turns into more of a battle of getting to spawns first). A new player will probably score low if they join a lobby of three vets, even if they help with objectives and keep themselves alive (because of how fast the vets kill things). This is why I think score is not a good judge. It only represents damage done, and it's been proven every kit can solo platinum which means there is only so much to go around with four players on lower difficulties.

I agree with what kobayashi-maru is saying about character choice making a difference. If I'm playing a Fury on Glacier I'm probably going to score really well, but if I'm a Raider using Batarian Sentinel on Condor I'm going to have a hard time.

However if I vastly outscore a sniper on Condor when I'm using a Raider (non-vanguard) something is very wrong. Really though some kits do a better/faster job at killing and I expect that to be reflected somewhat in score. For example, a Geth Trooper who is melting armor and setting up fire explosions is probably going to score a lot higher than the Geth Engineer detonating those explosions, despite putting in just as much (if not more) effort.

[TMB903]

I don't really judge players by score. I tend to judge them by knowledge of game mechanics, reviving, knowing when to gel and/or missile and if they do objectives in a timely fashion or ignore them. I almost exclusively PUG on PS3 and it's pretty rare that I play with someone who demonstrates any of these things.

[SpaceV3gan]

Poor score can also be the result of lag.

[Original Twigman]

TMB903 wrote...

I don't really judge players by score. I tend to judge them by knowledge of game mechanics, reviving, knowing when to gel and/or missile and if they do objectives in a timely fashion or ignore them. I almost exclusively PUG on PS3 and it's pretty rare that I play with someone who demonstrates any of these things.

lol

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Failure to extract.

[Thylakaleo]

Long as you finish wave ten, you're paid in the shade, and nothing matters after that. 

[HoochieHamiltoe]

I don't pay much mind to the scoreboard. You really just have to go into a match expecting to do the heavy lifting. In gold games I really don't care. I never boot, and can usually handle it myself. Platinum games, I typically won't PUG unless I have one other friend with me.

[OniGanon]

Those who say score doesn't mean anything, I can't help but think they don't PUG much. Score is usually a pretty good indication of contribution in a typical PUG game.


Assuming U/U/G non-hazard and full 11 waves:

<40K - AFK bronze level useless leecher. Maddeningly common these days

50K - Really bad. I can score higher than this with a Volus Sentinel and a Falcon. I actually tried that out just to check.

70K - Legit Gold noob moving up from Silver, or bad kit/weapon setup, or just a somewhat poor performance.

90-120K - Expected score of a Gold level PUG.

>150K - You spammed grenades, didn't you?

>200K - Was your team AFK or what?

Modifié par OniGanon, 09 mai 2013 - 04:37 .

[Caineghis2500]

How to use a volus IN-DEPTH guide with mobius in the making. He knows the volus more than anyone.

[ToLazy4Name]

caineghis2500 wrote...

How to use a volus IN-DEPTH guide with mobius in the making. He knows the volus more than anyone.

Uh huh. We'll see. 

[kipac]

I'd say anything is good if it's over 9000.

9000 is a magical numba.

[Caineghis2500]

OniGanon wrote...

Those who say score doesn't mean anything, I can't help but think they don't PUG much. Score is usually a pretty good indication of contribution in a typical PUG game.


Assuming U/U/G non-hazard and full 11 waves:

<40K - AFK bronze level useless leecher. Maddeningly common these days

50K - Really bad. I can score higher than this with a Volus Sentinel and a Falcon. I actually tried that out just to check.

70K - Legit Gold noob moving up from Silver, or bad kit/weapon setup, or just a somewhat poor performance.

90-120K - Expected score of a Gold level PUG.

>150K - You spammed grenades, didn't you?

>200K - Was your team AFK or what?

Sometimes I feel alone among pugs:crying:

[Creator Limbs]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Also, in case anyone chimes in saying "Volus r suppert clasz, dey downt ned kilz"

No. Just, no. There aren't any "support" classes.

Correct.

OniGanon wrote...

Those who say score doesn't mean anything, I can't help but think they don't PUG much. Score is usually a pretty good indication of contribution in a typical PUG game.


Assuming U/U/G non-hazard and full 11 waves:

<40K - AFK bronze level useless leecher. Maddeningly common these days

50K - Really bad. I can score higher than this with a Volus Sentinel and a Falcon. I actually tried that out just to check.

70K - Legit Gold noob moving up from Silver, or bad kit/weapon setup, or just a somewhat poor performance.

90-120K - Expected score of a Gold level PUG.

>150K - You spammed grenades, didn't you?

>200K - Was your team AFK or what?

This is actually a pretty accurate indicator. Earlier some friends and I had a random game where we all scored 100k+ and one person scored around 60k. One of these things is not like the other. The next random we got scored about 30k while the rest of picked up their slack. It was pretty obvious to us that they were leeching, since they were present the whole game and playing an AIU.

[Pugz82]

OniGanon wrote...

Those who say score doesn't mean anything, I can't help but think they don't PUG much. Score is usually a pretty good indication of contribution in a typical PUG game.


Assuming U/U/G non-hazard and full 11 waves:

<40K - AFK bronze level useless leecher. Maddeningly common these days

50K - Really bad. I can score higher than this with a Volus Sentinel and a Falcon. I actually tried that out just to check.

70K - Legit Gold noob moving up from Silver, or bad kit/weapon setup, or just a somewhat poor performance.

90-120K - Expected score of a Gold level PUG.

>150K - You spammed grenades, didn't you?

>200K - Was your team AFK or what?

I agree 100%...score might not be important but it certainly tells you what your team mate is or isn't doing.

[Pugz82]

caineghis2500 wrote...

How to use a volus IN-DEPTH guide with mobius in the making. He knows the volus more than anyone.

It really isn't hard to use one.  I played a Platinum match yesterday with a Volus Adept and pulled 195k points....It really isn't difficult.  Spec into full weapon damage...have shield boost and stasis and go to town.  

Other randoms out there think there is more to it and that standing there spamming a button for 25+ mins is productive...it doesn't help.  Only helps in an escort/hack circle.

[ComradeShepard7]

While I may question your capabilities if you are more than 25k-50k behind my two friends who I normally play with and I on gold, I really don't care what you score so long as you are participating in objectives and aren't being generally useless.

[Pugz82]

ComradeShepard7 wrote...

While I may question your capabilities if you are more than 25k-50k behind my two friends who I normally play with and I on gold, I really don't care what you score so long as you are participating in objectives and aren't being generally useless.

Those who generally score low are useless.  It means they aren't doing much of anything...you have 10 waves to kill crap.  When the game is over and someone is on the bottom with less than 25k on a Platinum match...it is sad.  I call them charity matches...which is what I see plenty of during the day with my friend.

[ComradeShepard7]

Pugz82 wrote...

ComradeShepard7 wrote...

While I may question your capabilities if you are more than 25k-50k behind my two friends who I normally play with and I on gold, I really don't care what you score so long as you are participating in objectives and aren't being generally useless.

Those who generally score low are useless.  It means they aren't doing much of anything...you have 10 waves to kill crap.  When the game is over and someone is on the bottom with less than 25k on a Platinum match...it is sad.  I call them charity matches...which is what I see plenty of during the day with my friend.

I was talking about gold and I meant to say "completely" rather than "generally". I have to agree with you about platinum games though but unfortunately that is how they end up most of the time even when you only play unknown/unknown.

[parico]

If your score is less than 50% of leaders you are in the wrong difficulty. For uug gold below 70k is sub par. For uup platinum below 90k is sub par.  If you cant get at least 50k in gold and 75k in platinum you arent helping and should play some silver and learn how to play the game. 

Modifié par parico, 09 mai 2013 - 05:14 .

[chcknwng]

To measure my performance, 100k in plat for me is pretty much the lowest you can go
If I play a HE and there is a Paladin in the team I don't expect to go over 100k.

Over 150 means either a really good game, or at least one person should not be playing plat.

But usually I just check the score to see if I am lagging behind much. If I play a non score **** class and am not half or two thirds of the first place I would be OK.

[Vortok]

There's a certain minimum threshold of "was actually playing and contributing for this difficulty level." Beyond that, score gaps are mostly about "was more aggressive than the rest of the team and didn't die too horribly most of the time."


That said, it feels like a  bunch of good players disappeared from Gold in the last month (PC at least).  Suddenly having far more games that struggle/actually fail if I'm not using a fairly strong kit that I'm comfortable with.

Modifié par Vortok, 09 mai 2013 - 05:34 .

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

It's hard to say. I've had games where I outscored the rest of the lobby, but the players weren't poor teammates or leeching in any way. I just happened to get to spawns quicker, and wrecked them before they got there.

One might look at the final scoreboard and think they didn't contribute, but that wouldn't tell the full story.

14k in a full gold game is definitely poor though. That did happen.

Modifié par b00g13man, 09 mai 2013 - 05:55 .

[Clips7]

It's kinda hard to explain, you can have a guy have a low score, but if he has 5-7 medals at the end of the game, he was contributing. I scored over 78k in a gold game today, but i was playing with 3 other guys that was just murdering everything before i could get to them.

I played as the phoenix vanguard so i can't be too careless with the kit, but at times i just wanted to plow into a crowd just to try to get some kills. Normally in gold i can either top or come in 2nd half the time, but this particular game i came in 4th...the other 3 kits was all infiltrators tho...

There's so many factors that determine score tho...especially the kit that someone chooses to play as since some can kill faster than others etc...and setup is also a factor. There's no way anybody should be scoring 25k in a gold match tho...

[Tallgeese_VII]

less than 50% of third place guy.

[CoffeeHolic93]

When they don't manage to get the 10 assists medal.