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[SilentStep79]

PhoenixUK wrote...

I wanna try an all volus match with you and flyer! 

i'll take a piece of that action.
dibs on the Mercenary Sentinel.

[SilentStep79]

[quote]ALTBOULI wrote...

I think some people on here need to recognize that having a low score does not necessarily make you a bad player - merely looking at a players score can blind you from the bigger picture. Player score does not take into account kits/load outs or enemies faced. Some kits/weapons setups simply perform worse against certain enemies. It also doesn't take into account off days (we all have them)
[quote]

is that your way of forgiving me for my awful Kishock Batarian Sentinel use?

Modifié par silentstep79, 09 mai 2013 - 05:24 .

[Hooterville]

To me the only bad score is when you don't extract.  I'd rather have the lowest score on a team that extracts than the highest on one that doesn't.

[MaxCrushmore]

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Did you help with the objectives? Did you support your teammates? These are more important than your score ..

I admit 50K is the low end of what you should be getting, but if you are setting up your kits for defence and not having to be revived every minute, then you are contributing, you are drawing aggro, while your teammates who have better manifests and experience with the game mechanics can benefit ...

Perfect example, a couple nights ago I was playing with a skilled player who had a MASSIVE N7 rating (not going to name and shame), who, on every objective wave, ran off to inferno grenade every group of enemies he came across ... just complete and utter score whoring ... zero help with the objectives. If I was given the choice between that player and one with alot less experience but who helped with the objectives, it's a no brainer.

Several months ago an N7 17 joined my gold lobby, using the HS with a Vindicator 1 ... but he had 2 level 1 consumables on .. I was happy to see that, and refused to kick him (FYI the 2 guys <both with N7s over 800> who voted to kick had no consumables on ..)

[Deerber]

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

I did provide a number. Over 200k and scorewhoring the objectives, you suck.

Do you score over 200k? Apparently not. So nothing to worry about there 

[DragonRacer]

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Well, when I say that if someone is scoring at least 70,000, that I'm happy to have them, that doesn't necessarily mean I am unhappy to have someone who scores lower than that as long as they are on their feet and not leaving me to do everything by myself every single wave.

Unfortunately, in my own experience, those scoring roughly 50,000 or less also spent most of the game facedown on the floor in spectator mode. Now, if that happens for a wave or two, okay, so be it. But when it starts happening almost every single wave in the later stages of a Gold match, I actually start getting physically tired. Because I don't like soloing, and matches like that aren't really matches, they're glorified solos.

So, I guess my main gripe really is with people who can't stop dying 8,000 times a game, not so much score. Just that those who die so much also tend to score very little, so in that case the two go hand-in-hand. If you score "low", but you don't force me to have a backpack filled with three people to carry completely alone, then I'm not bothered with score.

[Original Twigman]

Hooterville wrote...

To me the only bad score is when you don't extract.  I'd rather have the lowest score on a team that extracts than the highest on one that doesn't.

[Daxamite]

i wouldnt worry about it Dave, i have a much better manifest and i still dont score much. Life is too short! I'd offer to play with you so you could outscore me but you're MasterRace

[DaveT]

MaxCrushmore wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Did you help with the objectives? Did you support your teammates? These are more important than your score ..

I admit 50K is the low end of what you should be getting, but if you are setting up your kits for defence and not having to be revived every minute, then you are contributing, you are drawing aggro, while your teammates who have better manifests and experience with the game mechanics can benefit ...

Perfect example, a couple nights ago I was playing with a skilled player who had a MASSIVE N7 rating (not going to name and shame), who, on every objective wave, ran off to inferno grenade every group of enemies he came across ... just complete and utter score whoring ... zero help with the objectives. If I was given the choice between that player and one with alot less experience but who helped with the objectives, it's a no brainer.

Several months ago an N7 17 joined my gold lobby, using the HS with a Vindicator 1 ... but he had 2 level 1 consumables on .. I was happy to see that, and refused to kick him (FYI the 2 guys <both with N7s over 800> who voted to kick had no consumables on ..)

Honestly, I pretty much live for the objectives.  My game play is:

Waves 1,2 - Stay alive and try not to use any gels

Wave 3 - Do whatever is needed, short of burning missiles in all but critical situations, to finish the objective as fast as possible.  This includes leaving enemies I am fighting to do 1234 objectives if teammates are letting the counter run down and not doing it.

Waves 4,5 - See waves 1,2

Wave 6 - See wave 3

Wave 7 - Try to stay alive and stay close to teammates to revive

Wave 8,9 - Stay alive, but be ready to use a missile if needed to end the wave budgets.  If I go down, be smart about gelling to keep my teammates from running into a spawn trying to revive me.

Wave 10 - Get the objective finished ASAP, use missiles if needed to finish faster.

Wave 11 - Hide, survive until 25 seconds left, then get to the LZ. Missile the LZ if needed to allow extract.

Things that aren't on my list of priorities are "get 20 head shots, get 75 kills, get at least one grab, etc"

[hyperthreadz]

Hooterville wrote...

To me the only bad score is when you don't extract.  I'd rather have the lowest score on a team that extracts than the highest on one that doesn't.

To add to this.  I played a Gold game the other day (maybe a couple weeks ago) on Jade against three people that their combined scores (n7, promotions, and challenge points) were less than my N7 by a bit.  I didn't think that much about it - I was more concerned about the lack of gear they were using.  We played against Cerberus.  I hooked up several Atlases bailing out a juggy here and there, gelling downed teammates, and just thought I was a decent player (aside from when I got sync-killed).  On extraction wave, I was sync-killed right away while everyone else was camping at the LZ.

After it was over?  I had top score by about 15k, didn't extract, and was kicked by the other three.

Yeah, I guess case-in-point?

I thought the team did pretty decent, except for the camping, but I don't think I deserved the kick.  It was cool though as I was debating on leaving anyway - kids needed me.  I just figured one more game couldn't hurt.

[DaveT]

DragonRacer wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Well, when I say that if someone is scoring at least 70,000, that I'm happy to have them, that doesn't necessarily mean I am unhappy to have someone who scores lower than that as long as they are on their feet and not leaving me to do everything by myself every single wave.

Unfortunately, in my own experience, those scoring roughly 50,000 or less also spent most of the game facedown on the floor in spectator mode. Now, if that happens for a wave or two, okay, so be it. But when it starts happening almost every single wave in the later stages of a Gold match, I actually start getting physically tired. Because I don't like soloing, and matches like that aren't really matches, they're glorified solos.

So, I guess my main gripe really is with people who can't stop dying 8,000 times a game, not so much score. Just that those who die so much also tend to score very little, so in that case the two go hand-in-hand. If you score "low", but you don't force me to have a backpack filled with three people to carry completely alone, then I'm not bothered with score.

I understand that completely.  Having been one of those "go down multiple times in 5 different waves" I have a lot of sensitivity toward not being a burden on my teammates.  That is a reason why I am specifically playing more cautiously.  But the trade off with caution is that players who are more aggressive will score much higher.  That is just the fact of the scoring system, it rewards an agressive playstyle, if you can keep from dying.

[SafetyShattered]

If i don't get at least 100k i get pretty pissed at myself. For other players though for the most part i don't really care about their score. As long as they help the team and do objectives idc. The only time i got upset with somebody was because he had like 26,000 something points and complained that he only had 26,000 points. All he did was shield boost..i mean come on, what did he expect?

Modifié par Shadowfang12, 09 mai 2013 - 05:59 .

[Original Twigman]

no worries DaveyTee

if you were on xbox and playing like a scrub and you pm'd me "dude, sorry for playing so bad" i'd probably have a chuckle, tell you "you are doin fine, scrub. Stick around and lets get some more games in"

if you are noticeably putting in an effort, you are alright in my book.

[d_nought]

DaveT wrote...

stay alive

Pretty much all that matters until you start getting shiny level X rares or URs

Then it's wave 1 rage gels and rambo galore

Modifié par d_nought, 09 mai 2013 - 06:01 .

[DaveT]

hyperthreadz wrote...

Hooterville wrote...

To me the only bad score is when you don't extract.  I'd rather have the lowest score on a team that extracts than the highest on one that doesn't.

To add to this.  I played a Gold game the other day (maybe a couple weeks ago) on Jade against three people that their combined scores (n7, promotions, and challenge points) were less than my N7 by a bit.  I didn't think that much about it - I was more concerned about the lack of gear they were using.  We played against Cerberus.  I hooked up several Atlases bailing out a juggy here and there, gelling downed teammates, and just thought I was a decent player (aside from when I got sync-killed).  On extraction wave, I was sync-killed right away while everyone else was camping at the LZ.

After it was over?  I had top score by about 15k, didn't extract, and was kicked by the other three.

Yeah, I guess case-in-point?

I thought the team did pretty decent, except for the camping, but I don't think I deserved the kick.  It was cool though as I was debating on leaving anyway - kids needed me.  I just figured one more game couldn't hurt.

I really don't understand why they would kick vote you after this.

I had a similar situation a few weeks ago. Came into a lobby where the leader was trying to get people to kick one of the players.  I refused to participate, since the guy had on equipment.  He and I ended up being the only ones with equipment.  My N7 and points were 4 times higher than anyone elses. During the game I spent most of my time reviving people, but stayed alive.  I also did a hack and escort on my own, while the others kept killing the unlimited spawns.  At extract, they all rushed the LZ and ended up bleeding out, so I was the only one to extract but had the lowest score.  In the next lobby, they all voted to kick me.  Pissed me off.

[chcknwng]

DaveT wrote...

MaxCrushmore wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Did you help with the objectives? Did you support your teammates? These are more important than your score ..

I admit 50K is the low end of what you should be getting, but if you are setting up your kits for defence and not having to be revived every minute, then you are contributing, you are drawing aggro, while your teammates who have better manifests and experience with the game mechanics can benefit ...

Perfect example, a couple nights ago I was playing with a skilled player who had a MASSIVE N7 rating (not going to name and shame), who, on every objective wave, ran off to inferno grenade every group of enemies he came across ... just complete and utter score whoring ... zero help with the objectives. If I was given the choice between that player and one with alot less experience but who helped with the objectives, it's a no brainer.

Several months ago an N7 17 joined my gold lobby, using the HS with a Vindicator 1 ... but he had 2 level 1 consumables on .. I was happy to see that, and refused to kick him (FYI the 2 guys <both with N7s over 800> who voted to kick had no consumables on ..)

Honestly, I pretty much live for the objectives.  My game play is:

Waves 1,2 - Stay alive and try not to use any gels

Wave 3 - Do whatever is needed, short of burning missiles in all but critical situations, to finish the objective as fast as possible.  This includes leaving enemies I am fighting to do 1234 objectives if teammates are letting the counter run down and not doing it.

Waves 4,5 - See waves 1,2

Wave 6 - See wave 3

Wave 7 - Try to stay alive and stay close to teammates to revive

Wave 8,9 - Stay alive, but be ready to use a missile if needed to end the wave budgets.  If I go down, be smart about gelling to keep my teammates from running into a spawn trying to revive me.

Wave 10 - Get the objective finished ASAP, use missiles if needed to finish faster.

Wave 11 - Hide, survive until 25 seconds left, then get to the LZ. Missile the LZ if needed to allow extract.

Things that aren't on my list of priorities are "get 20 head shots, get 75 kills, get at least one grab, etc"

The only thing not on your list that I go for every match is the headshot medal. 

[Simba501]

I'm not a stickler for scores. I played with a pug that scored really low (Gold). I don't remember how much exactly, but it had to be less than 30 or 40k. The guy stayed alived, engaged enemies, revived, and did objectives.

He's alright in my book.

Modifié par Simba501, 09 mai 2013 - 06:18 .

[MzAdventure]

[quote]silentstep79 wrote...

[quote]ALTBOULI wrote...

I think some people on here need to recognize that having a low score does not necessarily make you a bad player - merely looking at a players score can blind you from the bigger picture. Player score does not take into account kits/load outs or enemies faced. Some kits/weapons setups simply perform worse against certain enemies. It also doesn't take into account off days (we all have them)
[quote]

is that your way of forgiving me for my awful Kishock Batarian Sentinel use?[/quote]


Oh, SillyStep... how you exaggerate!  I was in that match with y'all and you weren't even approaching "awful" with that performance.  Sure Altbouli was a stone cold killer, but you, Pub and I were all in the realm of respectable, surely!

The match itself does indeed highlight the impact of kit/loadout on score differentials, though, at least IMHO, as a less tricky gun on the same kit allowed a less skilled player (me!) to pull close to you on score.

Modifié par victoriakm, 09 mai 2013 - 06:22 .

[DragonRacer]

DaveT wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Well, when I say that if someone is scoring at least 70,000, that I'm happy to have them, that doesn't necessarily mean I am unhappy to have someone who scores lower than that as long as they are on their feet and not leaving me to do everything by myself every single wave.

Unfortunately, in my own experience, those scoring roughly 50,000 or less also spent most of the game facedown on the floor in spectator mode. Now, if that happens for a wave or two, okay, so be it. But when it starts happening almost every single wave in the later stages of a Gold match, I actually start getting physically tired. Because I don't like soloing, and matches like that aren't really matches, they're glorified solos.

So, I guess my main gripe really is with people who can't stop dying 8,000 times a game, not so much score. Just that those who die so much also tend to score very little, so in that case the two go hand-in-hand. If you score "low", but you don't force me to have a backpack filled with three people to carry completely alone, then I'm not bothered with score.

I understand that completely.  Having been one of those "go down multiple times in 5 different waves" I have a lot of sensitivity toward not being a burden on my teammates.  That is a reason why I am specifically playing more cautiously.  But the trade off with caution is that players who are more aggressive will score much higher.  That is just the fact of the scoring system, it rewards an agressive playstyle, if you can keep from dying.

It also has to do with how long you've been playing, too, I think. You're relatively new still, making the Silver to Gold jump, yes? I've been playing since March 2012, but don't think for a moment that I wasn't a very cautious/non-aggressive player once. I've actually only really started lighting up Gold PUG scoreboards in the last 2 to 3 months, and that's simply because I've played so much and for so long now that spawn locations are becoming second nature and muscle memory has gotten better about knowing how far I can push myself and my shield gate/health gate limits (and I still screw up, I'm definitely not saying I'm a Goddess on this game, LOL).

Eventually, in time, you will naturally start playing more aggressively as you subconsciously get better at the not dying part (and more importantly, the not worrying about not dying part because you know your limits and how far you can ride them). Took me a long while.

And I don't mind PUGs that are going through that and learning that. I'd love to play with MORE PUGs that have your mindset of things. YOU are one of the "good guys", as I've said before in one of your threads. You use equipment, you help with objectives, you try to be aware of everything around you. Unfortunately, a lot of the folks in Gold PUGs lately don't bother with equipment, don't use a medigel EVER for any reason whatsoever, and just flat out don't get it. When I moved up from Bronze to Silver and got my butt beat to hell and back, I realized I wasn't ready yet and went back to Bronze for a while with my tail between my legs... practiced... got better... tried again and didn't suck so bad on Silver. Rinse and repeat for Gold and Plat. But it's like the folks I've been running into lately, they either don't realize there are lower difficulty levels or they just don't care. They have zero shame.

[PraetorianVIII]

A poor score?

Me playing GI with Javelin I against Reapers Gold.

Assist..assist..assist...assist...assist....WOOT! I KILLED A HUSK! COME AT ME SON! Assist...assist...I KILL SWARMERS LIKE A BOSS! Assist...assist...

I don't think I broke 30,000.

Next time I play that class, I'm taking the Widow X.  Or at least putting a Sniper Rail Amp on the Javelin.  I think I had Targeting VI for some reason which is odd because I'm the worst headshotter eva.

Modifié par PraetorianVIII, 09 mai 2013 - 06:25 .

[ALTBOULI]

[quote]silentstep79 wrote...

[quote]ALTBOULI wrote...

I think some people on here need to recognize that having a low score does not necessarily make you a bad player - merely looking at a players score can blind you from the bigger picture. Player score does not take into account kits/load outs or enemies faced. Some kits/weapons setups simply perform worse against certain enemies. It also doesn't take into account off days (we all have them)
[quote]

is that your way of forgiving me for my awful Kishock Batarian Sentinel use?

[/quote]

I thought you played the kit well,  the game turned out to be a very smooth one because of you and your friends

[Slojack]

This

Started game from the Lobby. Cant remember his final score.

[ryoldschool]

DaveT wrote...

hyperthreadz wrote...

After it was over?  I had top score by about 15k, didn't extract, and was kicked by the other three.

Yeah, I guess case-in-point?

I thought the team did pretty decent, except for the camping, but I don't think I deserved the kick.  It was cool though as I was debating on leaving anyway - kids needed me.  I just figured one more game couldn't hurt.

I really don't understand why they would kick vote you after this.
viving people, but stayed alive.  I also did a hack and escort on my own, while the others kept killing the unlimited spawns.  At extract, they all rushed the LZ and ended up bleeding out, so I was the only one to extract but had the lowest score.  In the next lobby, they all voted to kick me.  Pissed me off.

yeah it's a no-class move by insecure people to kick somebody after a successful match.

[Original Twigman]

DragonRacer wrote...

DaveT wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Ugh.

I guess I might as well head back to Silver. By all the measures given here that provide an actual score, I suck. I will typically score 50-60K in a Gold PUG and if I'm having a good match, maybe push 70K.

My manifest doesn't let me get many kills, and my kits generally are built for defense to let me stay alive and avoid spending the match being revived/bleeding out. I usually get the silver/gold assist medal, but rarely the kill medals. Other (more experienced) players get to the spawns first, and I will often go entire waves killing one or two enemies.

Well, when I say that if someone is scoring at least 70,000, that I'm happy to have them, that doesn't necessarily mean I am unhappy to have someone who scores lower than that as long as they are on their feet and not leaving me to do everything by myself every single wave.

Unfortunately, in my own experience, those scoring roughly 50,000 or less also spent most of the game facedown on the floor in spectator mode. Now, if that happens for a wave or two, okay, so be it. But when it starts happening almost every single wave in the later stages of a Gold match, I actually start getting physically tired. Because I don't like soloing, and matches like that aren't really matches, they're glorified solos.

So, I guess my main gripe really is with people who can't stop dying 8,000 times a game, not so much score. Just that those who die so much also tend to score very little, so in that case the two go hand-in-hand. If you score "low", but you don't force me to have a backpack filled with three people to carry completely alone, then I'm not bothered with score.

I understand that completely.  Having been one of those "go down multiple times in 5 different waves" I have a lot of sensitivity toward not being a burden on my teammates.  That is a reason why I am specifically playing more cautiously.  But the trade off with caution is that players who are more aggressive will score much higher.  That is just the fact of the scoring system, it rewards an agressive playstyle, if you can keep from dying.

It also has to do with how long you've been playing, too, I think. You're relatively new still, making the Silver to Gold jump, yes? I've been playing since March 2012, but don't think for a moment that I wasn't a very cautious/non-aggressive player once. I've actually only really started lighting up Gold PUG scoreboards in the last 2 to 3 months, and that's simply because I've played so much and for so long now that spawn locations are becoming second nature and muscle memory has gotten better about knowing how far I can push myself and my shield gate/health gate limits (and I still screw up, I'm definitely not saying I'm a Goddess on this game, LOL).

Eventually, in time, you will naturally start playing more aggressively as you subconsciously get better at the not dying part (and more importantly, the not worrying about not dying part because you know your limits and how far you can ride them). Took me a long while.

And I don't mind PUGs that are going through that and learning that. I'd love to play with MORE PUGs that have your mindset of things. YOU are one of the "good guys", as I've said before in one of your threads. You use equipment, you help with objectives, you try to be aware of everything around you. Unfortunately, a lot of the folks in Gold PUGs lately don't bother with equipment, don't use a medigel EVER for any reason whatsoever, and just flat out don't get it. When I moved up from Bronze to Silver and got my butt beat to hell and back, I realized I wasn't ready yet and went back to Bronze for a while with my tail between my legs... practiced... got better... tried again and didn't suck so bad on Silver. Rinse and repeat for Gold and Plat. But it's like the folks I've been running into lately, they either don't realize there are lower difficulty levels or they just don't care. They have zero shame.

I'm going to write a book.

its going to be called: "How to write concisely and with pith, by Dragonracer"

it will be all of 7024 pages

[SilentStep79]

i'm really impressed by the friendly "non-trollish" trend this thread's taken in recent pages.
an occasional rise of BSN standards is a good thing now and again.