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[Auld Wulf]

I've often tried to explain with Destroy that why I can't do it isn't only because of the evils presented by killing so many, but also by the souls torn asunder by this action. Most notably that of Jeff Moreau. I haven't had the will to put to words why I feel the way I do, as I always felt it should have been entirely all too obvious -- obvious that you're not just harming synthetics with this. And why I could never bring myself to do this to Jeff.

This explains it better than I ever could. So have a read of that and come back here.

EDI had become Jeff's raison d'etre, his centre, his very life. When you snuff out EDI, you snuff out Jeff's will to live. Destroy is a dark place, a very dark place. The Mass Effect Universe would be a bleak and depressing place without him, and if you take EDI away from him, then he surely won't be long for this world. This is, indeed, Joker's punchline.

Discuss.

[David7204]

She's beautiful...

But so is Shepard.

[Auld Wulf]

David7204 wrote...

She's beautiful...

But so is Shepard.

Not saying Shepard isn't. Not at all. But Shepard continues to exist in Control, eventually perhaps to a poitn where s/he could reconnect with her/his love interest. The same can't be said for EDI...

[David7204]

You never know. Has anyone ever actually tried to bring an AI back? Really tried? I doubt it. Why would they? Besides, Miranda and Tali need something to do with their time. Plus, there's all that Reaper tech lying around.

Reasoning suggests the Reapers would rebuild themselves after each cycle. Wouldn't that also suggest that they can rebuild a 'unique' AI once they have a template? Which would suggest such a thing is possible for Shepard.

Modifié par David7204, 09 mai 2013 - 03:04 .

[Argolas]

I choose Destroy for Joker's sake as well.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Look at all those likes on the bottom.

Sorry, folks, but Sync is chosen by others a lot more than you care to believe.

It's just that few want to come out and say it, knowing the response they'll get.

[PsyrenY]

David7204 wrote...

You never know. Has anyone ever actually tried to bring an AI back? Really tried? I doubt it. Besides, Miranda and Tali need something to do with their time. Plus, there's all that Reaper tech lying around.

Could they make a new AI? Probably. Though the chances that anyone will be allowed to just make new AI out of Reaper pieces within Joker's lifetime are pretty slim.

But even if they're allowed to try - could they remake EDI? That's another issue entirely. Any changes to her blue box will change her personality - "variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations." The Normandy may also be necessary to get her back in the state she was during ME3 - "processes that contribute to my self-awareness are spread throughout the ship."

What happens if they make a new AI, and it's not EDI? Do they keep trying? And what about the failed attempt? Wipe it and start over? Shackle it?

[xlegionx]

Argolas wrote...

I choose Destroy for Joker's sake as well.

[Megaton_Hope]

You can tell that's fanfiction, because Joker's hat came off.

[PsyrenY]

Argolas wrote...

I choose Destroy for Joker's sake as well.

Right, because Destroy brings his sister back... 

[dreamgazer]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Look at all those likes on the bottom.

Sorry, folks, but Sync is chosen by others a lot more than you care to believe.

It's just that few want to come out and say it, knowing the response they'll get.

The comments are interesting.  They also range from saying sorry to Joker (repeatedly) to mentioning that they've never even played the game before and found the comic emotional.  And yeah, I spotted a comment where someone was glad they got the "glowy green ending". 

Thanks for sharing, Auld Wulf. Definitely a potent piece of work. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 mai 2013 - 03:49 .

[Argolas]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Argolas wrote...

I choose Destroy for Joker's sake as well.

Right, because Destroy brings his sister back... 

It's a huge difference if the ones who murdered your sister (and countless others) are gone forever or the galaxy's most powerful police force/scientifical advisors.

[Avaraen]

Synthesis takes away choice and homogensises everyone. Control installs a new dictatorship. Refusal wipes everyone out. Sacrificing the few for the many in Destroy is bad because... one guy gets his heart broken?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Huntress was the one that actually killed Joker's sister.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 09 mai 2013 - 03:49 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I pick Synthesis to make Joker's real punchline come true: Defeating the Reapers by teaching them to love.

[PsyrenY]

Argolas wrote...

It's a huge difference if the ones who murdered your sister (and countless others) are gone forever or the galaxy's most powerful police force/scientifical advisors.

But his sister is already dead, while EDI is alive. Would he choose to sacrifice his love to avenge his sister?

No, you weren't doing it for him. There are reasons to Destroy, but Joker would never accept them.

Avaraen wrote...
Synthesis takes away choice and homogensises everyone.

Do you know what homogenize even means? Because that clearly doesn't happen.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 09 mai 2013 - 03:50 .

[Argolas]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Huntress was the one that actually killed Joker's sister.

It's terrible, isn't it? She wasn't even touched by the Reapers. Not indocrinated, not huskified. The mere presence of the Reapers turned her into a monster.

Terror is a horrible thing, I tell you.

Optimystic_X wrote...

But his sister is already dead, while EDI is alive. Would he choose to sacrifice his love to avenge his sister?

No, you weren't doing it for him. There are reasons to Destroy, but Joker would never accept them.

That's beside the point.

Modifié par Argolas, 09 mai 2013 - 03:56 .

[PsyrenY]

Argolas wrote...

That's beside the point.

No, it is the point. We fight for the living, not the dead.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Argolas wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Huntress was the one that actually killed Joker's sister.

It's terrible, isn't it? She wasn't even touched by the Reapers. Not indocrinated, not huskified. The mere presence of the Reapers turned her into a monster.

Terror is a horrible thing, I tell you.

Indeed, hence that old thread of mine. 'Only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

How hard is it to just knock someone out, anyway? 

[PsyrenY]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

How hard is it to just knock someone out, anyway? 

Even if she had, she couldn't very well support her broken leg and fight off husks at the same time. They both would have died.

[Argolas]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Huntress was the one that actually killed Joker's sister.

It's terrible, isn't it? She wasn't even touched by the Reapers. Not indocrinated, not huskified. The mere presence of the Reapers turned her into a monster.

Terror is a horrible thing, I tell you.

Indeed, hence that old thread of mine. 'Only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

No it's not. It takes an exceptional person to conquer your own fear. If the source of your fear is worth fighting, and that the Reapers are, it's better to do that. And a hell of a lot easier.

Optimystic_X wrote...

Argolas wrote...

That's beside the point.

No, it is the point. We fight for the living, not the dead.

The point is that we fight.

Modifié par Argolas, 09 mai 2013 - 04:04 .

[spirosz]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Discuss.

That is true, but can you say that Liara won't be able to live without Shepard, since she's going to out live him - people change, they experience different moments in their life that can have a tremendous impact and shape how they view certain things, who says Joker can't learn from this and maybe one day, fall in love again and it doesn't matter with what, Synthetic, Organic, you go Joker.  

It's like stating that Joker won't be able to cherish what EDI has brought to his life or Liara won't be able to fall in love again.  Certain things and individuals can spark something that say, Shepard wouldn't be able to with Liara, either depending on the time of their life and maybe the simple fact, that they just can't - would it be fair to say that another individual is wrong in being able to express these feelings towards the person (Liara or Joker) just because they're not "EDI" or "Shepard"? 

Modifié par spirosz, 09 mai 2013 - 04:06 .

[S.A.K]

I am really sorry about EDI as well as joker. This was the only thing that made me think twice about choosing Destroy.

But in the end, how many people lost loved once because of the Reapers? How many trillions of lives? How many civilizations were viped out? How many of those were people just like EDI and Joker?

I am sorry, but Hackett was right. "Dead Reapers are how we win this war"

It's the only way to make sure Reaper threat is completely gone and I am sure EDI and Joker would approve.

Some hope : Cerberus was able to bring Shepard back after he died and fell onto a planet from orbit. With all those smart engineers like Tali out there, who says EDI can't be saved?

[PsyrenY]

Argolas wrote...

The point is that we fight.

All the endings "fight." You take down the current, cycle-driven status quo. (Well, except Refuse, but I consider that to be more of a flashy game over screen myself.)

[PsyrenY]

S.A.K wrote...

I am sorry, but Hackett was right. "Dead Reapers are how we win this war"

There is actually a little-seen sequence with Hackett if you talk to him right before storming Cronos Station. You get to ask him "What if the Illusive Man is right, and the Reapers can be controlled?"

His answer there is very interesting. He says "The Illusive Man is the last person alive to give that kind of power to. Kill him, that's an order." This says to me that Hackett is more against Control because of who is at the reins, than on its own merits.