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[ConanTheLeader]

 So you would rather die than see your buddy get heart broken over a robot?

It does not make sense, they are robots, machines, they lack emotions and thought.

[PsyrenY]

Wolfva2 wrote...

The construct she's with wouldn't be able to grow; it's just a recording.

That's one (and exceedingly negative) way to interpret it.

But it's just as possible that synthesis allows us to download his graybox - memories, personality and all - into a new synthetic that does have the capacity to grow.

[Steelcan]

And what if you nipped their relationship on the bud. Joker might be sad that EDI died, but he will get over it.

[TheProtheans]

We don't know for sure EDI and the Geth are completely wiped out.
And I don't think turning organics into abominations or enslaving Reapers for eternity are viable solutions because you think EDI will die, a single entity is not worth the weight of the galaxy.
And enslavement is no way for the galaxy to begin anew.

[o Ventus]

Joker was living just fine before EDI ever existed.

I would lose all respect for Joker if he lost his "will to live" from EDI dying.

[o Ventus]

Steelcan wrote...

And what if you nipped their relationship on the bud. Joker might be sad that EDI died, but he will get over it.

This too.

[Mangalores]

Auld Wulf wrote...

I've often tried to explain with Destroy that why I can't do it isn't only because of the evils presented by killing so many, but also by the souls torn asunder by this action. ...

Have you considered how many souls you as commander Shepard tore asunder without the Reapers? I mean, his body count is in the thousands and not all of them were monsters, far from it. If you start to think on those terms you already lost because Shepard then is a monster no matter what. And just to consider someone's life worthwhile because you happen to know them, well, that's pretty hypocritical.


Last time I checked Joker was a member of the military. Sacrifice is part of the deal when **** hits the fan.

[KingZayd]

David7204 wrote...

You never know. Has anyone ever actually tried to bring an AI back? Really tried? I doubt it. Why would they? Besides, Miranda and Tali need something to do with their time. Plus, there's all that Reaper tech lying around.

Reasoning suggests the Reapers would rebuild themselves after each cycle. Wouldn't that also suggest that they can rebuild a 'unique' AI once they have a template? Which would suggest such a thing is possible for Shepard.

I imagine you'd get a similar issue with when you attempt to transfer an AI. The memories are preserved, but the personality is not. This is taking the brain to be like a quantum blue box. The speech in the EC control ending does seem to support this.

[Jadebaby]

Endings are dumb and dark in every colour. Shut up.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 09 mai 2013 - 12:14 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

i don't care about joker,if that idiot wants to spend his life crying about the sexbot,then cry

[PsyrenY]

TheProtheans wrote...

We don't know for sure EDI and the Geth are completely wiped out.

The kid says they will, the Geth don't get a slide in Destroy even if they survived Rannoch, and EDI's name appears on the memorial wall. Not sure what more you want.

[Bizinha]

In ME2, Legion says that geth (synthetic) feel no fear, remorse or pain.
So it is good that the Joker does not Involved with someone who will never love.

ps. Also would not change my choice because joker, for me, it was the culprit of Shepard died in ME2.

ps2. MEHEM> Destroy> Refuse> Control> Synthesis

[TheProtheans]

Optimystic_X wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

We don't know for sure EDI and the Geth are completely wiped out.

The kid says they will, the Geth don't get a slide in Destroy even if they survived Rannoch, and EDI's name appears on the memorial wall. Not sure what more you want.

I don't want anymore and the kid is the Reaper king.
I'm just saying that does not prove they all died completely. 

[KingZayd]

Joker's love life means nothing when the galaxy hangs in the balance.

[PsyrenY]

MEHEM is creative fanfiction. but still fanfiction nonetheless.

KingZayd wrote...
I imagine you'd get a similar issue with when you attempt to transfer an AI. The memories are preserved, but the personality is not. This is taking the brain to be like a quantum blue box. The speech in the EC control ending does seem to support this.

Indeed - you can create a new AI but it wouldn't necessarily be "EDI."

[TheProtheans]

One could argue MEHEM is just as valid as the other endings as the endings are unlikely to go anywhere.
And we all know it is the best ending.

[Kataphrut94]

TheProtheans wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

We don't know for sure EDI and the Geth are completely wiped out.

The kid says they will, the Geth don't get a slide in Destroy even if they survived Rannoch, and EDI's name appears on the memorial wall. Not sure what more you want.

I don't want anymore and the kid is the Reaper king.
I'm just saying that does not prove they all died completely. 

He didn't lie when he said the Reapers would all be blown up. Clearly, such a thing is not on the Catalysts' agenda.

How is that not proof that they died? It's evidence by ommision - if EDI & the geth had survived, they would have been in the epilogue. Simple as that.

OP: I'm sure that comic is very lovely, but I couldn't really pay attention because it was just a big squiggly mess. As far as Joker/EDI shipping goes, my favourite is that one fanfiction set 100 years in the future where EDI has to come to terms with Jeff dying of sickness and old age while she lives on immortal and unchanging. Surprisingly moving for a shipping fic, which are normally repulsively self-indulgent.

[themikefest]

Kill the robot. Let Joker cry like a f**king baby. I don't care about him. Because of his stubborness femshep died at the beginning of ME2.

[Display Name Owner]

This isn't a problem if you shoot down the romance from the start. Which I do every time because it's just utter silliness.

But that's just my opinion of course. And I suppose even without the romance, EDI is still important to Joker.

Anyway, I'm sure millions of lovely couples have seen worse happen to each other over the course of the Harvest. One more really isn't that important in the context of the decision that will determine the entire galaxy's fate. Everyone's lost someone. In a galaxy plagued by a horde of all-powerful, immortal giant murdersquids, these things happen.

[TheMyron]

Auld Wulf wrote...

I've often tried to explain with Destroy that why I can't do it isn't only because of the evils presented by killing so many, but also by the souls torn asunder by this action. Most notably that of Jeff Moreau. I haven't had the will to put to words why I feel the way I do, as I always felt it should have been entirely all too obvious -- obvious that you're not just harming synthetics with this. And why I could never bring myself to do this to Jeff.

This explains it better than I ever could. So have a read of that and come back here.

EDI had become Jeff's raison d'etre, his centre, his very life. When you snuff out EDI, you snuff out Jeff's will to live. Destroy is a dark place, a very dark place. The Mass Effect Universe would be a bleak and depressing place without him, and if you take EDI away from him, then he surely won't be long for this world. This is, indeed, Joker's punchline.

Discuss.

Who matters more? Jack or Edi? Jack gave my Shepard strict orders to stay alive, and my Shepard has sons to sire anyway. And all you care about is some sap's love for a sexbot?

[Mr.House]

Don't care about Joker and his love with a sexbot. EDIs death sucks but she was ready to die for the Reapers to be destroyed. Her sacrifice will be honored.

[Ledgend1221]

Wulfy boy, you should probably know that no cares about emotions.

Boo hoo a sexbot is dead, deal with it.

[Yestare7]

themikefest wrote...
Because of his stubborness femshep died at the beginning of ME2.

I suddenly hate Joker with a burning passion.
ANOTHER reason to pick Destroy!!

[AresKeith]

Yestare7 wrote...

themikefest wrote...
Because of his stubborness femshep died at the beginning of ME2.

I suddenly hate Joker with a burning passion.
ANOTHER reason to pick Destroy!!

But it was also Shepard being a derp by staring at the Collector beam instead of going into the escape pod