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[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

Shotgun said she does not consider the Geth alive and that she would take control ie enslave them. That is the same thing Xen believes. Are you her attorney or something? If I have mischaracterized her belief that the Geth are not alive and should be enslaved then she can let me know.

ONCE AGAIN, you are confussed. She said it would have made more sence for the quarians to try and brainwash them, rather then steamroll them. She never said anything about the morals.
You her prosecutor "or something?" You were the one that tried accusing people of being wrong to try and change someone's fundimental views, yet that's what you are trying to do here. The Geth aren't the same deifinition of alive as us.
And speaking of that, I haven't seen you even TRY to ask her. How about you DO that instead of letting her come to you? After all, that approach of "let them come to us" didn't work for the geth, did it? When you do try, "let me know."

[silverexile17s]

Auintus wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Of COURSE they feared a geth rebellion, because all geth are WALKING WEAPONS.

Uh, the Geth were workers. The first to return fire was specifically stated to be an agricultural unit. Are you a weapon? Should I fear you for existing?

Good grief, don't you have ANY attachment to your family?

Incredibly childish and entirely uncalled for.

A - All geth were built as "tools of labor and WAR," as stated in the very first paragraph of their Codex. They ALL have the same capabilaties.

B - He's the one that brought Hitler and the Jews and accidental pregnancies/abortions into the topic. I'm just asking what he would do if he had been in the quarian's position, and he keeps acting like any avarage person would gamble their families future on a coin toss.

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

Obviously you missed the part where Legion choked out Shepard with one hand. They don't NEED rifles to be dangerous.

Ridiculous argument.

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

A - All geth were built as "tools of labor and WAR," as stated in the very first paragraph of their Codex. They ALL have the same capabilaties.

And any logical thinking would have you realise that you don't create a home unit with weapons or create a military unit with the ability to do farming.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

remydat wrote...

Silver,

And finally the Quarians are prejudiced pre MW. Tali made it perfectly clear in ME1 that the quarians feared a geth rebellion. That fear was never proven to be true. When you make decisions not based on what someone did but what you imagine they would do because they are different that you, it is prejudice. We would not be having this discussion if the Geth were Quarians too.

AGAIN, DEAD WRONG.
It was NEVER prejudice. How many times must that be drilled into your skull before it clicks?

Of COURSE they feared a geth rebellion, because all geth are WALKING WEAPONS. Last I checked, it's not prejudice to fear a gun. You're sayinjg that if you feel fear for having a gun pressed to your head, that makes you prejudiced to the gun? Your saying that if your brother was trapped in a room with a damaged bomb, it would be prejudiced to fear the bomb? What Bull. Do you even HEAR yourself?
The geth's VERY NATURE - the Nature THEY GAVE THEM - made them combatents. The quarians created their nature.
Assuming a malefunctioning gun is dangerous is NOT prejudiced. And ONCE AGAIN, you FAIL at analyzing their culture, because no one believed the geth WERE living beings.
Trying to put out that it's prejudiced to be afraid of a gun that's started acting abnormal is just asinine.
And AGAIN, last I checked, quarians weren't made of metal alloy, immune to toxins, able to survive in zero-g vacume, and weren't equiped with built-in combat-grade software in every single individual, or able to snap people's neck with a single hand. You can look at ALL the things that make a single geth a dangerous killing machine, and actually try to scoff at people being afriad of an entire population of millions of them, on every street corner, with the chance that any could suddenly go berserk, and could spark a massive rebellion?  You are going to try and  BS that it's prejudice to fear for your familes safety?
Good grief, don't you have ANY attachment to your family?

Right the Geth were Walking Weapons who actually never fired a shot until they were being killed.

Let's see.  The Walking Weapon were currently planting seeds for you, cleaning your house, mining in places you could not and generally serving your needs. 

The Kind Hearted Peace Loving Adorable Organics decided that the Walking Weapons planted seeds, cleaned house, mined in places they could not, and served their needs too well and thus were becoming sentient.  So The Kind Hearted Peace Loving Adorable Organics tried to brutally kill them.

Something is wrong with this picture.  I don't scoff at them being afraid.  I scoff at them using fear to attack the Walking Weapons that were so dangerous that they were currently planting seeds, cleaning house, mining in places they could not, and generally serving their needs.

Is a loaded gun suddenly not dangerous, just because it hasn't been fired yet? I'm pretty sure a loaded gun is dangerous no matter what- regardless of weather or not it's killed someone yet. That's pretty basic common sense.

"Let's see" - an entire population of machines that can endure more tramua, can survive in environments you can't, and can snap your neck like a twig at a moments notice, and they suddenly are acting outside of control and becoming possibly unstable. Just one can butcher your entire family, and there are millions of them on every streat corner and in every home. If even one loses it, it's bad. If ALL of them lose it, it's a bloodbath.
Do you just NOT have any emotinal concern for your family? They can  kill you bare-handed with a single flick of the wrist. You honestly are going to try and spout some BS that this ISN'T something to be afraid of? When they are EVERYWHERE? Including, as @Julia pointed out, intergrated into the military as well, and all of them are in perfect positions to destroy their infrasturcture piecemeal, since the geth are ingrained in nearly every aspect of quarian life?

Something is wrong with your interpertation. Scoffing at the idea that an army of guns isn't going to cause damage is asinine. They all have the capabilaty to kill people without any trouble whatsoever. See how Shepard got blindsided by Legion? THAT'S what the quarians were afraid the geth would do if they rebelled.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Obviously you missed the part where Legion choked out Shepard with one hand. They don't NEED rifles to be dangerous.

Ridiculous argument.

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

A - All geth were built as "tools of labor and WAR," as stated in the very first paragraph of their Codex. They ALL have the same capabilaties.

And any logical thinking would have you realise that you don't create a home unit with weapons or create a military unit with the ability to do farming.

The quarians wanted a force of drones that could arm up and become a deadly fighting force at a moment's notice, faster then any organic could. Why do you think the quarians went so all out when they resorted to killing the geth? because all could arm up instantly, and they needed to strike hard to keep the geth off balance. They didn't anticipate how fast the geth evolved. Legion himself tells you that ALL geth were built with the exact same capabilities as the next, meaning ALL had the same combat prowess as the next. "Any logical thinking" would have you realize Legion tells you all this up-front. You going to discredit Legion now?

[Humakt83]

Legion spent a little too much time with the Reapers. They can change your mind.

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

They didn't attack the unexpected Cerberus ship when it neared the Migrant Fleet. They didn't shoot Legion at all. Thus far, the quarians have at the very lest proven they have some more restraint. After all, at lest they ward off the people they don't want to talk to, instead of shooting them outright.

But the entire point the Heretics followed Sovergin was so that they could get access to Reaper tech and use it to upgrade their abilaties. Legion says the entire reason they split was because the True Geth did not believe the geth should use alien tech to advance themselves - NOT anything to do with worship. That wasn't where the disagreement was.
And by using Reaper tech, they have basically conformed to the Heretic's goal of upgrading the geth with Reaper tech.

Two things:

If you're going to try and use the Migrant Fleet not blowing up the Cerberus Normandy it might help you remembering that Tali had to give a security phrase to prove her identity.

And people DO change their minds. Preferring to do something one way and not another in one situation only to have circumstances change to where the other path to the same result becomes more of an option is actually what many people do throughout their lives.

Two Counters:

It might help to remind you that Cerberus is an avowed enemy of the Migrant Fleet, yet they gave the incoming ship the benifet of the doubt WELL BEFORE Tali made comm contact.

Also, I again remind you that if that was the case, then it truly DOES make all the geth Heretics in their new belief. All the geth might as well have followed Sovergien. Legion adimately says he does not apporve of giving the Collector Base to Cerberus, when you question him after the Suicide Mission. Hell, he even expresses shame at how he stole the Reaper code for himself.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 16 mai 2013 - 09:39 .

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

The quarians wanted a force of drones that could arm up and become a deadly fighting force at a moment's notice, faster then any organic could. Why do you think the quarians went so all out when they resorted to killing the geth? because all could arm up instantly, and they needed to strike hard to keep the geth off balance. They didn't anticipate how fast the geth evolved. Legion himself tells you that ALL geth were built with the exact same capabilities as the next, meaning ALL had the same combat prowess as the next. "Any logical thinking" would have you realize Legion tells you all this up-front. You going to discredit Legion now?

No, I'm going to believe Legion (great how when it supports your argument you're happy to listen to him) and understand that this, and the experience we have from of all three games, to come to the logical conclusion that this means a bi-pedal Geth was designed to use weapons.

Look at the memories that Shepard is shown - A Geth unit has to pick up a rifle.
Look at Legion - He uses a sniper rifle.
Look at any humanoid Geth unit - They use guns/rocket launchers.

No humanoid Geth unit has any type of weaponry that isn't something it holds in its arms.

[KingZayd]

silverexile17s wrote...

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

Two Counters:

It might help to remind you that Cerberus is an avowed enemy of the Migrant Fleet, yet they gave the incoming ship the benifet of the doubt WELL BEFORE Tali made comm contact.

And the warning that the Quarian's give Tali is very obviously the only one. If the correct phrasing hadn't been made you can be sure there would have been an attack on the Normandy.

Also, I again remind you that if that was the case, then it truly DOES make all the geth Heretics in their new belief. All the geth might as well have followed Sovergien. Legion adimately says he does not apporve of giving the Collector Base to Cerberus, when you question him after the Suicide Mission. Hell, he even expresses shame at how he stole the Reaper code for himself.

So according to you there's no distinction between people if they do the same thing for different reasons? Someone having to kill their attacker in order to save their life is the same as someone going out and deliberately killing a target?

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

Riiight.

And Krogan? Should all the Krogan be killed "just in case" because of the Krogan Rebellions and the fact that they're essentially living tanks with an insane amount of backups to their biological systems enabling them to keep fighting long after another species would have fallen?

[Morlath]

KingZayd wrote...

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

It's easier to justify killing the Geth if you believe they've never changed from the new-born species that drove the Quarians off Rannoch using extreme measures.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

The quarians wanted a force of drones that could arm up and become a deadly fighting force at a moment's notice, faster then any organic could. Why do you think the quarians went so all out when they resorted to killing the geth? because all could arm up instantly, and they needed to strike hard to keep the geth off balance. They didn't anticipate how fast the geth evolved. Legion himself tells you that ALL geth were built with the exact same capabilities as the next, meaning ALL had the same combat prowess as the next. "Any logical thinking" would have you realize Legion tells you all this up-front. You going to discredit Legion now?

No, I'm going to believe Legion (great how when it supports your argument you're happy to listen to him) and understand that this, and the experience we have from of all three games, to come to the logical conclusion that this means a bi-pedal Geth was designed to use weapons.

Look at the memories that Shepard is shown - A Geth unit has to pick up a rifle.
Look at Legion - He uses a sniper rifle.
Look at any humanoid Geth unit - They use guns/rocket launchers.

No humanoid Geth unit has any type of weaponry that isn't something it holds in its arms.

I'm pointing out how YOU are being CONTRIDICTED by Legion.
The Codex says that ALL geth were made to be "tools of labor and war" buy the quarians - in the very first paragraph. Legion himself says that all geth were built with the exact same specifications and capabilities as each-other. Also, you do realise that ALL geth in the MW were bipeds, right? There WEREN'T any of the qudrapeds or hoppers or juggernaughtes. Those evolved during their isolation.

Look at Legion at the peek on Rannoch - Lifts Shepard up with his bare hands and chokes the Commander out.
Look at geth duribility - Dropping to the ground from hights of at least 50 feet.
Look at the geth in the Multiplayer - Able to emmit a powerful shield purge that INCENERATES anybody caught in it. And the geth Juggernaught in MP, which can drain electrical energy.

ALL huminoid geth IS by itself a walking weapon. They can kill bare-handed just as easily as they can with weapons.

[silverexile17s]

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

The geth were BUILT to lift heavy loads, survive in conditions the quarians couldn't, and, based on the existance of Widow sniper rifles in the Morning War, were made to use weapons the quarians couldn't handle. I love how you seem to assume that a race built for warefare wasn't able to carry out the function it was made for until 300 years later.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Two Counters:

It might help to remind you that Cerberus is an avowed enemy of the Migrant Fleet, yet they gave the incoming ship the benifet of the doubt WELL BEFORE Tali made comm contact.

And the warning that the Quarian's give Tali is very obviously the only one. If the correct phrasing hadn't been made you can be sure there would have been an attack on the Normandy.

Also, I again remind you that if that was the case, then it truly DOES make all the geth Heretics in their new belief. All the geth might as well have followed Sovergien. Legion adimately says he does not apporve of giving the Collector Base to Cerberus, when you question him after the Suicide Mission. Hell, he even expresses shame at how he stole the Reaper code for himself.

So according to you there's no distinction between people if they do the same thing for different reasons? Someone having to kill their attacker in order to save their life is the same as someone going out and deliberately killing a target?

1. And AGAIN, they had a beed on the Normandy long before Tali even opened communications. By right, a ship bearing Cerberus colors should be shot dead on sight. They DIDN'T. They gave it a chance.

2. AGAIN, you are confussed.
I'm saying the geth have NEVER gone against their stated beliefs until it was convient for them. They threw out all their old morals when it was convient for them to. It was easier then simply adapting on their own. They chastize you for doing it with Cerberus and the Collector base, then do it themselves seeimingly without any moral quaral whatsoever.

[KingZayd]

silverexile17s wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

The geth were BUILT to lift heavy loads, survive in conditions the quarians couldn't, and, based on the existance of Widow sniper rifles in the Morning War, were made to use weapons the quarians couldn't handle. I love how you seem to assume that a race built for warefare wasn't able to carry out the function it was made for until 300 years later.

I find it amusing that you think they would have used the same models as butlers as they would on the battlefield.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

Riiight.

And Krogan? Should all the Krogan be killed "just in case" because of the Krogan Rebellions and the fact that they're essentially living tanks with an insane amount of backups to their biological systems enabling them to keep fighting long after another species would have fallen?

Um...you DO realize that's the entire reason the genophage was created, right? For that exact same "just in case?" Which given how Gatatog Uvenk and Urdnot Wreve act, isn't an unreasonable precaution. Especally when faced when what would have happened if they haden't used it.
And AGAIN, back then, the geth WREN'T advanced enough to back up entire programs. Just memories.
I'm just saying, do you really think you can chastize someone for putting their families well being over the walking weapon?

[silverexile17s]

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

The geth were BUILT to lift heavy loads, survive in conditions the quarians couldn't, and, based on the existance of Widow sniper rifles in the Morning War, were made to use weapons the quarians couldn't handle. I love how you seem to assume that a race built for warefare wasn't able to carry out the function it was made for until 300 years later.

I find it amusing that you think they would have used the same models as butlers as they would on the battlefield.

And likewise, I find it amusing that you completely forgot that (A) the geth did not have ANY other unit besides the standard model in the Morning War, and ( you forgot were Legion spicifcally shows you that the past geth and present-day baseline geth are NO DIFFERENT from each-other.

[silverexile17s]

Morlath wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

It's easier to justify killing the Geth if you believe they've never changed from the new-born species that drove the Quarians off Rannoch using extreme measures.

So that means you agree that the recordings Legion showed you in the geth server WERE complete bull, since they clearly show no difference between modern geth and past geth?

I'm done for now. Come back in 3 hours.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 16 mai 2013 - 10:02 .

[KingZayd]

silverexile17s wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Morlath wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Um....How so? You going to start ignoring what we see in the game now? Because Legion proved pretty conclusively, with the ease he manhandled the Galaxy's Greatest Hero, that the geth don't need guns to be dangerous as hell.

Because a Geth's arm is not designed to be used as its weapon. If you want to take this argument then any species with limbs and/or teeth should be feared just because these could be used to attack another.

...LOL. THAT'S your excuse?
The geth were built stronger to lift heavy loads of supplies and such, to better compliment being a work-force, and with stronger bodies, could handle more powerfull weapons, which would normally break someone's arm if used by an organic. Think of the Rachni - every single one is made with the physical capabilaty to attack people.
A geth on the loose is like a mini powerloader running rampant. Not something you want to risk your entire population on when there are milllions of geth.

I find it amusing how people seem to assume that the Geth haven't changed at all over the hundreds of years. That just because they are made to be competent in combat scenarios now, that they were always that way.

The geth were BUILT to lift heavy loads, survive in conditions the quarians couldn't, and, based on the existance of Widow sniper rifles in the Morning War, were made to use weapons the quarians couldn't handle. I love how you seem to assume that a race built for warefare wasn't able to carry out the function it was made for until 300 years later.

I find it amusing that you think they would have used the same models as butlers as they would on the battlefield.

And likewise, I find it amusing that you completely forgot that (A) the geth did not have ANY other unit besides the standard model in the Morning War, and ( you forgot were Legion spicifcally shows you that the past geth and present-day baseline geth are NO DIFFERENT from each-other.

Source?

Also, you realise the Quarians looked the same too? And we know they only started wearing those suits afterwards.

Modifié par KingZayd, 16 mai 2013 - 10:07 .

[Morlath]

silverexile17s wrote...

I'm pointing out how YOU are being CONTRIDICTED by Legion.
The Codex says that ALL geth were made to be "tools of labor and war" buy the quarians - in the very first paragraph. Legion himself says that all geth were built with the exact same specifications and capabilities as each-other. Also, you do realise that ALL geth in the MW were bipeds, right? There WEREN'T any of the qudrapeds or hoppers or juggernaughtes. Those evolved during their isolation.

Look at Legion at the peek on Rannoch - Lifts Shepard up with his bare hands and chokes the Commander out.
Look at geth duribility - Dropping to the ground from hights of at least 50 feet.
Look at the geth in the Multiplayer - Able to emmit a powerful shield purge that INCENERATES anybody caught in it. And the geth Juggernaught in MP, which can drain electrical energy.

ALL huminoid geth IS by itself a walking weapon. They can kill bare-handed just as easily as they can with weapons.

And so are Krogan.

There is a very big difference between being built (biology or tech) to withstand a lot of punishment and having high basic strength compared to other species and being actually created for war with weapons inbuilt.

A humanoid Geth CAN be a weapon by itself against someone. An unarmed Krogan CAN be a weapon against someone. An unarmed human CAN be a weapon against another, weaker being that themself.

Your simplistic view seems to be missing this very important point.