remydat wrote...
silverexile17s wrote...
ONCE AGAIN, you are confussed. She said it would have made more sence for the quarians to try and brainwash them, rather then steamroll them. She never said anything about the morals.
You her prosecutor "or something?" You were the one that tried accusing people of being wrong to try and change someone's fundimental views, yet that's what you are trying to do here. The Geth aren't the same deifinition of alive as us.
And speaking of that, I haven't seen you even TRY to ask her. How about you DO that instead of letting her come to you? After all, that approach of "let them come to us" didn't work for the geth, did it? When you do try, "let me know."
Ask her what? Shotgun as already admitted she does not believe the Geth are alive but are just machines just like Xen. She has admitted she would agree with controlling them just like Xen. She has admitted she is prejudiced. So not sure what you want me to ask her. I honestly don't care that she believes, I am just amused by your insisting she didn't mean something when she has already stated she did. I think she can defend herself.
We are all prejudiced. Every one of us is prejudiced to some degree. Best you just recognize it and just admit it. If you can't admit it you are just lying to yourself. What is amusing me is that you can't admit that you are.
Also, individually, the Geth are not truly sentient. They need to be in sufficient numbers to gain sentience. The more Geth there are in proximity the smarter they are. They are not like us. That Heretic mission. Rewriting the datafile OR Destroying the station. To Legion they were the same thing. Rewriting the datafile changed the "perspective" those platforms were. They were NEW Geth. Different Geth. It was the same as destroying them. That's why Legion's programs couldn't reach consensus and it was your choice.
It would have made more sense for the Quarians to control a portion of the Geth than to kill all of them. It would have made for an interesting scenario, but Bioware makes things too black and white.
Preconditions:
* cut a side deal and turn over Rael's research to Xen after the trial which we weren't able to do. (Renegade +9) - this also gets Shepard an Quarian sniper rifle (self contained disruptor mod) in ME3.
* destroy the Heretic base is a must.
* must side with Xen against Tali
* must not let Legion or Geth VI upload the code
* must choose "contact Xen" option -- she will fly in front of the heavy fleet and seize control over 50% of the Geth. Gerrel will be furious.
* Legion will resume upload. Stop him. You have 1150 war assets. Peace is off the table.
This foreshadows the Control ending.
But, you don't even want to look at alternatives. You think in black or white. Is this a great option? No. Of course not. I'm not going to side with the Geth against the Quarians, that is a given. Most of the time I'll make peace simply because it's the best alternative. The Geth and the Quarians work out a symbiotic relationship. It's complicated. Neither could see beyond the conflict. Both sides needed Shepard there to give them a boot in the rear.
Another parallel to this in a BW game is the Dalish-Werewolf conflict in DA:O. It was the Dalish leader who created the werewolves in the beginning out of anger, and now the Dalish paid dearly for it. Like the Quarians, the Dalish were also exiles from their own lands. You could always solve the problem and free the werewolves. But if you had to choose which side would you take? I guess that would also depend upon your origin. Pretty obvious if you were Dalish. But if you were human?
The Catalyst can only see up to the conflict, and sends in its reapers to stir up things between organic and synthetic to cause the conflict as soon as the synthetics are built.
The Catalyst is like Cerberus and the galaxy is a Cerberus research lab. We're the lab rats. When we make synthetics it's time to throw us away along with the synthetics, even though it is trying to solve a problem about synthetic - organic relations. It has this directive to "preserve organic life" so it makes jam out of us.
It saw the conflict between the Quarian and Geth through Sovereign and decided it was time to send in the cleaning crew. Sovereign was playing around with Rachni because it got bored, I guess looking for new life forms it could corrupt. Funny how the Krogan recognized the reaperized rachni immediately as rachni. Nice, the reapers are. Maybe wanting to push us along in the development of synthetics.
Okay, so we make peace. The Catalyst never looks past the conflict. The Geth upload themselves and help the Quarians adapt to their planet so they can get out of their suits years earlier. The Quarians are loaded with cybernetic implants as it is. You think the Geth will stop there? No. They are going to eventually reach a mutual understanding they never had before. They will do it without synthesis because they are headed that way on their own, and that's fine. But the Catalyst can't see that because it is flawed. It can only see the problem. Therefore all must be irradicated.
So it gives us this crap -- "without us synthetics would destroy all organic life in the galaxy." Synthesis. Where it wants to destroy all organic life in the galaxy. But wait. It says "But I can't do it." (because I'm a synthetic and if I did this it would be a self-fulfilling prophesy). "But you can." (because you're and organic, and organics aren't covered under the plan). You can force it and it will work. It can't see past the problem and let the galaxy evolve on its own.
So we get the three endings from hell. Peace? Okay you want to destroy the reapers you get to kill the Geth. Otherwise you have to keep the reapers around, and this is unacceptable to me.
Honestly Remy, I'm in a big "I'll kill the Geth at Rannoch and get it over with before they're sapient." I've been there since about July last year. Better to destroy them there and sacrifice one sapient synthetic in the end, than have to sacrifice millions or more. If they want to treat us like that and give us that ___ ___ of an ending I'll just destroy the faux "art." We deserved better.
That's why I chose to go with MEHEM. The official ending prevents me from making peace because I need to hurt Starbrat, and destroy is the only way I can do that. Hence I must side with the Quarians.
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