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KingZayd wrote...
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KingZayd wrote...
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KingZayd wrote...
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AGAIN, dead wrong. The entry says that there is no match to the Hoppers in any historical records. Ergo, the current models ARE in the records. They state that the Hoppers are the ONLY models that don't seem to have diffinitive MW counterparts. Alongside the Armature.
So, THERE is my proof - AGAIN.
AGAIN, dead wrong. Just because the current standard Geth models don't look completely different to the old ones (it's a fairly basic design. Arms, legs, flashlight head etc), doesn't mean they haven't changed. The newer ones would have been made more combat ready than the old ones.
A prothean who had encountered humans 50000 years ago would probably have recognised us. Doesn't mean we haven't changed.
so, AGAIN, where is the proof?
AGAIN, YOU are Dead Wrong.
The geth were BUILT for labor and war - they were DESIGNED to be stronger then organics, more durible then organics, and able to arm up faster then organics. Their CODEX states in the fist paragraph that ALL of them were made as weapons. Legion says that they ALL were built with the EXACT SAME SPECIFICATIONS as the last. And AGAIN, with the geth, their baseline soldier apperance is NOT any different then the original chassis of the Morning War geth. Ashley Williams, who's only refrence to a geth, reconized them pretty damn fast, despite never seeing one outside of the holos she saw in her grade school. Based on how she reconiozed them from 300-year old holos, it doesn't seem like they changed that much. Also, among the many geth types, the ONLY one that doesn't match ANY histoirical record is the Geth Hopper. That means that most geth DO match histoirical records of past geth types. It really doesn;t seem like upgrading physical capabilities is something the geth devoter resoruces to, since they DON' T PLACE VALUE on physical bodies all that much. Since they don't have a lot of attachment to physical bodies, the term "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to ring true for the geth. The ONLY time they ever seemed to devote more resources to platform development was when they learned the Reapers were coming. Before that, the difference was neglegilable.
So, AGAIN, THAT is my proof.
AGAIN.
No it doesn't. Nowhere does it say all Geth were made as weapons. It says they the Geth were created as labourers and tools of war. Nowhere does it say all models were the same. Nobody makes the same robot to be a butler and to be a soldier. Different needs, different specialisations. Nobody gives all civilians access to buy the top of the line millitary robots as butlers.
When does Legion say all Geth were built to the same specifications? You haven't been too reliable for all your other references, so I'm curious. Again: arms, legs and flashlight head is pretty basic. Doesn't mean there haven't been many improvements. Any alien race that saw us 50,000 years ago would still recognise us. 100,000 years too etc. we are not at all the same as we were back then.
Nowhere does it say that all the those types were in the historical records. All we know is that the Geth Hunter isn't there. Even if they were, doesn't that conflict with your earlier statement in this very post? "Legion says that they ALL were built with the EXACT SAME SPECIFICATIONS as the last" Sounds like you've definitely got something confused there!
Nowhere does it say the Geth don't value physical bodies. They aren't attached to them, that's for sure. Which is why they'd have no problems with upgrades. If they followed the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" philosophy, then why do they have Geth Hunter model now?
so, AGAIN, where is the proof?
AGAIN, YES. IT. DOES.
Codex - Primary Entries - Non-Council Races - Geth:
"The geth are a huminoid race of networked A.I.s. They were created by the quarians 300 years ago as tools of labor and WAR. "
This is the VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE CODEX IN ALL THREE GAMES. They ALL were created as tools of labor and wor. How the hell could you possibly MISS that?
And Legion on the Normandy states that ALL geth were created for the same specifications as the next.
Also, sorry to say, but that's EXACTALLY what the quarians did. They made them to be butlers and soldiers - That's what they did, VERBATIUM. After all, what makes you safer then when you have a killer butler that can instantly become the ultimate defense guard. And be easily replaciable to boot. They can all multitask because they ALL are built to the same specifications as the next. Easily relaceable, and one type can serve all. As shown by the single mainstream geth you see in the recordings (and before you try some BS move about not being able to precieve all geth types from the data, don't you think Shepard has seen enough geth over the course of the three games to fill in the blanks? Destroyers, rocket troopers, Juggernaugts, Hoppers, Shock Troppers, Pyros, Primes, Armatures, Snipers, Hunters, Drones of varying design)
When he talks about the geth's sentiance and how they achieved it. He notes that all geth were built for the same exact tasks - protection, domestic serviatude, and so-forth. The geth weee given self-optimization capabilities, so that one type could service any and all needs to the situation. ALL were built with the SAME TEMPLATE.
Also, did you NOT notice how little the geth's bodies changed between ME1 and ME2? The major change came at ME3 when they were prepping for possible war with the Reapers. Also, since the geth never left the Perseus Veil, they would have had no reason to adapt their physical forms to new environments, since they never left the one they inhabited. And sicne they don't place much material value on the physical body, the mentality of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rings true here.
ONCE AGAIN, the entry on Geth Hoppers states that the hoppers are the ONLY one that don't match historical records of the geth. That was kinda the POINT of giving them their own spicific Codex entry. P.S. The Geth Hunter WASN'T IN ME1. The geth seem to have created it between the two years. Just like the Geth Pyro. Looks like YOU are the confussed one!! Also, the geth in the Morning War were all built to the exact same specifications, but were allowed their own self-optimization. As time progressed, they optimized themselves. They were CREATED equal. And AGAIN, note how you never see any other type in those recordinsg, even though Shepard has seen enough geth to differentate the types.
Looks like YOU are the one that got confussed.
Um... read the ME2 Codex Entry :Geth: Culture. Which directly states the geth don't value physical forms, as they are 100% software.
Also, AGAIN, you fail to note the Geth Hunter was NOT one of the models that was brought from the Perseus Veil, and instead was developed outside it inbetween the first and second games.
So, AGAIN, THAT. IS . MY. PROOF.
Which you AGAIN have failed to refute.
All you've proved is your lack of comprehension skills.
Helicopters are made for civilian transport and war. That doesn't mean all helicopters have guns. Some helicopters are made for war, some are not.
Can you give me an exact quote where Legion tells us this? You've been wrong about everything else so far. Your ideas about every other type of Geth unit minus the hunter contradicts this. Which is it? Were there all these types (which are apparently in the histrorical records) except for the Hunter? Or only the standard model?
"After all, what makes you safer then when you have a killer butler that can instantly become the ultimate defense guard."
Yeah, because civillians always have the same weaponry as the millitary?
The Hunter's codex page doesn't state that it's the Hunter model is the only one not in the records. It's the only page that states that there are no records of it. There's a pretty big difference.
Actually the Geth: Culture codex page I see doesn't say that. It says they have no concept of self preservation, due to the fact that no data is lost. Not that they don't value physical forms.
I didn't see much change in the human tech from ME1 to ME2 either (except for the stupid thermal clips bit). What's your point?
Come on. Where is the proof?
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ONCE AGAIN, you IGNORED it - a thing with you, it seems, showing YOUR comprehension skills are the ones lacking.
ONCE AGAIN, the proof is the CODEX, and LEGION.
And ONCE AGAIN, the geth are NOT helecopters. They are ALL GUNS. They can kill bare-handed. They have more strength then an organic. They have built-in enhanced duribility. They can be replaced easily. And thanks to their self-optimization, ONE UNITS FITS ALL NEEDS. Just look at the LOKI and FENRIS mechs. You get a pet FENRIS mech on the Normandy with the Collector's Edition. Domestic, even though it is built as a warfare/security unit. THAT'S what the geth were.
And ONCE AGAIN, in the case of the geth - YES.
They were excentally ment to be like the Rachni - ALL of them can become soldiers, even the one's on domestic duty, because not only must they be good servents, they must be good bodyguards. Just like the drell are for the hanar. Except that ALL geth are like that. The quarians spicifically made them like that, because they ever once even thought of the possibility that this powerful force would turn on them. Which is why when they DID show signs of independance, the quarians pissed themselves at the idea that every single one - which could become a killer instantly - could go off, and that because they were machines, they would assumedly have no moral imperative to reason with.
Also, the Hunter was NOT among the models of geth that Saren brought back from the Perseus Veil. And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have excluded them. THEY DID NOT EXIST IN ME1. They appeared TWO YEARS LATER, after the Geth Heretics had spent some time outside the Veil, developing their own tech. And the True Geth likely created their own, much sleeker Hunters from studying the Heretic's Hunter units.
And LOL, what? Isn't not having any records on it the SAME THING as it not matching any previous records? That IS THE EXACT SAME THING. Because last I checked, not having any records on it period kinda entails that there were no matching past records EITHER. That's NO different then the Geth Hoppers. What the hell were you going on about? Nither one has any record of existing, ergo nither matched the historical records of existing geth.
And AGAIN, you DON'T SEE it? You really DO have no comprehension.
They have no self-preservation in regards to their physical bodies. Not anymore, now that they have evolved enough processing power to transfer completely from one body to the next without missing a beat. In the Morning War, you might have been right, but not anymore. Legion also tells you on the Heretic Station that the geth are NOT the platforms, but the software. AKA - the bodies are WORTHLESS to them. they are disposible and easily replacible. This is stated by their lack of PHYSICAL self-preservation, and by Legion directly telling you the geth don't actually care about their physical forms. Hell, the entire Geth: Culture entry is about how geth culture works when they have no real value for ANY physical object.
WRONG.
Biotic Amps became more multi-functional. Weapons could switch between ammo types via omni-tool ammo mods instead of having to insert different modules manually. Mech technology evolved drasticly. Shuttles became more compact and widespread. Cloaking Tech became reality. Cyclonic barriers, Thanix cannons, Silaris armor. There was a massive jump in armor tech, given the stark differences between Shepard's armor between games.
As well as several dozen more weapons, like the Claymore shotgun, the Salarian Scorpian pistol and scorpian shotgun. Missle launchers were mass-produced by Armax Arsonal.
ALOT of tech was created, altered, or changed completely between games, tnanks to geth tech to study.
So, ONCE AGAIN, as before - Legion and the Codex.
THERE. IS . THE . PROOF.
Yeah. Further proof you can't understand what you read.
None of what you said is actually in the codex. I checked.
I don't think you understand what a gun is either.
Again. What does Legion say exactly when he supposedly tells us that all Geth units were made identically? And how does this fit in with the historical records of the all the other Geth types you claim there are?
Again. You misunderstood. How is the Geth Hunter not having records mean everything else was in the records? Nothing in the codex said the other types were in the historical records.
It's not there in the codex. Replacable bodies doesn't mean worthless. If they thought the bodies were worthless they wouldn't bother with them at all. Clearly, it's not just reading that's an issue for you. It's also logic. The fact that these bodies are so replaceable, means they can easily make and better bodies as time goes on. As they have certainly done over 300 years.
The biotic amp and weapons changes aren't really huge advances in tech. How did the mechs get so much better? What's your evidence for cloaking tech being a new thing? It's a new power, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the tech didn't exist before. Do you have any evidence that shows that Silaris armour wasn't around before ME1? It's Asari tech. Thanix cannons came from studying the Sovereign corpse, which the Geth didn't have.
Do you have any evidence for the Claymore Shotgun being new? We were talking about ME1-ME2 and I don't see any scorpion pistols in ME2. Nor do I see a Scorpion shotgun anywhere.
So once again:
Neither Legion nor the codex prove that:
a) All Geth units before the Morning War were identical.
That the basicGeth platforms of today are no different to those 300 years ago.
c) That Geth are guns?
So, where's the proof?
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My guess is that they are both equaly impopular with the council tbh.
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