KingZayd wrote...
silverexile17s wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
All you've proved is your lack of comprehension skills.
Helicopters are made for civilian transport and war. That doesn't mean all helicopters have guns. Some helicopters are made for war, some are not.
Can you give me an exact quote where Legion tells us this? You've been wrong about everything else so far. Your ideas about every other type of Geth unit minus the hunter contradicts this. Which is it? Were there all these types (which are apparently in the histrorical records) except for the Hunter? Or only the standard model?
"After all, what makes you safer then when you have a killer butler that can instantly become the ultimate defense guard."
Yeah, because civillians always have the same weaponry as the millitary?
The Hunter's codex page doesn't state that it's the Hunter model is the only one not in the records. It's the only page that states that there are no records of it. There's a pretty big difference.
Actually the Geth: Culture codex page I see doesn't say that. It says they have no concept of self preservation, due to the fact that no data is lost. Not that they don't value physical forms.
I didn't see much change in the human tech from ME1 to ME2 either (except for the stupid thermal clips bit). What's your point?
Come on. Where is the proof?
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ONCE AGAIN, you IGNORED it - a thing with you, it seems, showing YOUR comprehension skills are the ones lacking.
ONCE AGAIN, the proof is the CODEX, and LEGION.
And ONCE AGAIN, the geth are NOT helecopters. They are ALL GUNS. They can kill bare-handed. They have more strength then an organic. They have built-in enhanced duribility. They can be replaced easily. And thanks to their self-optimization, ONE UNITS FITS ALL NEEDS. Just look at the LOKI and FENRIS mechs. You get a pet FENRIS mech on the Normandy with the Collector's Edition. Domestic, even though it is built as a warfare/security unit. THAT'S what the geth were.
And ONCE AGAIN, in the case of the geth - YES.
They were excentally ment to be like the Rachni - ALL of them can become soldiers, even the one's on domestic duty, because not only must they be good servents, they must be good bodyguards. Just like the drell are for the hanar. Except that ALL geth are like that. The quarians spicifically made them like that, because they ever once even thought of the possibility that this powerful force would turn on them. Which is why when they DID show signs of independance, the quarians pissed themselves at the idea that every single one - which could become a killer instantly - could go off, and that because they were machines, they would assumedly have no moral imperative to reason with.
Also, the Hunter was NOT among the models of geth that Saren brought back from the Perseus Veil. And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have excluded them. THEY DID NOT EXIST IN ME1. They appeared TWO YEARS LATER, after the Geth Heretics had spent some time outside the Veil, developing their own tech. And the True Geth likely created their own, much sleeker Hunters from studying the Heretic's Hunter units.
And LOL, what? Isn't not having any records on it the SAME THING as it not matching any previous records? That IS THE EXACT SAME THING. Because last I checked, not having any records on it period kinda entails that there were no matching past records EITHER. That's NO different then the Geth Hoppers. What the hell were you going on about? Nither one has any record of existing, ergo nither matched the historical records of existing geth.
And AGAIN, you DON'T SEE it? You really DO have no comprehension.
They have no self-preservation in regards to their physical bodies. Not anymore, now that they have evolved enough processing power to transfer completely from one body to the next without missing a beat. In the Morning War, you might have been right, but not anymore. Legion also tells you on the Heretic Station that the geth are NOT the platforms, but the software. AKA - the bodies are WORTHLESS to them. they are disposible and easily replacible. This is stated by their lack of PHYSICAL self-preservation, and by Legion directly telling you the geth don't actually care about their physical forms. Hell, the entire Geth: Culture entry is about how geth culture works when they have no real value for ANY physical object.
WRONG.
Biotic Amps became more multi-functional. Weapons could switch between ammo types via omni-tool ammo mods instead of having to insert different modules manually. Mech technology evolved drasticly. Shuttles became more compact and widespread. Cloaking Tech became reality. Cyclonic barriers, Thanix cannons, Silaris armor. There was a massive jump in armor tech, given the stark differences between Shepard's armor between games.
As well as several dozen more weapons, like the Claymore shotgun, the Salarian Scorpian pistol and scorpian shotgun. Missle launchers were mass-produced by Armax Arsonal.
ALOT of tech was created, altered, or changed completely between games, tnanks to geth tech to study.
So, ONCE AGAIN, as before - Legion and the Codex.
THERE. IS . THE . PROOF.
Yeah. Further proof you can't understand what you read.
None of what you said is actually in the codex. I checked.
I don't think you understand what a gun is either.
Again. What does Legion say exactly when he supposedly tells us that all Geth units were made identically? And how does this fit in with the historical records of the all the other Geth types you claim there are?
Again. You misunderstood. How is the Geth Hunter not having records mean everything else was in the records? Nothing in the codex said the other types were in the historical records.
It's not there in the codex. Replacable bodies doesn't mean worthless. If they thought the bodies were worthless they wouldn't bother with them at all. Clearly, it's not just reading that's an issue for you. It's also logic. The fact that these bodies are so replaceable, means they can easily make and better bodies as time goes on. As they have certainly done over 300 years.
The biotic amp and weapons changes aren't really huge advances in tech. How did the mechs get so much better? What's your evidence for cloaking tech being a new thing? It's a new power, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the tech didn't exist before. Do you have any evidence that shows that Silaris armour wasn't around before ME1? It's Asari tech. Thanix cannons came from studying the Sovereign corpse, which the Geth didn't have.
Do you have any evidence for the Claymore Shotgun being new? We were talking about ME1-ME2 and I don't see any scorpion pistols in ME2. Nor do I see a Scorpion shotgun anywhere.
So once again:
Neither Legion nor the codex prove that:
a) All Geth units before the Morning War were identical.
That the basicGeth platforms of today are no different to those 300 years ago.
c) That Geth are guns?
So, where's the proof?
AGAIN, dead wrong. All you have done is proven this is true of
YOU. ONCE AGAIN, the Codex SPICIFICALLY STATES IN THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH:
"The geth are a race of huminoid networked A.I.s. They were created by the quarians 300 years ago as
Tools of labor and WAR."FIRST PARAGRAPH. IN
ALL. THREE. GAMES.
This isn't rocket science.
And AGAIN, WRONG. A gun is a dangerous tool. It can kill people casually. It doens't need to have killed anyone beforehand to be dangerous. And it can be modified for more then one purpose - stunners, tranq darts, rubber pellets. It's ment to keep people safe, and kill enemies when needed.
But then, it starts having a mind of it's own. It can decide what it wants to do, when it wants to do it, and can switch off it's safeties whenever it want's to. And, as a tool, it would assumedly have NO MORAL IMPERATIVE to reason with.
ONCE AGAIN, in the third conversation with Legion, he states that ALL geth were created for the same tasks - Cinstruction, Protection, and Domestic Servitude. They allowed self-optimization so that each program could act in accordance to whatever job it was given.
ONE TYPE FITS ALL NEEDS.The geth were no different to the quarians then the drell were to the hanar.
Also, it's likely that as time passed, the geth started to modify themselves during their war with the Quarians. They created newer platforms during the Morning War that were better suited tp bringing down the quarians. The Baseline chassis became the Trooper, Shock Trooper, Rocket Trooper, and Sniper types seen in ME1.
Only two larger platform typers were created, I remind you - the slightly larger variant used for the Geth Destroyer in ME1, (and later the prototype Heretic Geth Hunter in ME2, two years later) and finally, a much larger version that was used as the Chassis for the Geth Juggernaught and Geth Prime. They only would have had to build two new chassis types in the Morning War.
ONCE AGAIN, the geth Hunter DID NOT EXIST in ME1. You really think Saren would have not used cloaking-enabled geth in his fights?
And AGAIN, if no record of the Hunter exists, that means that there was no match for it in any record - INCLUDING the records of pre-existing geth types. HONESTLY, not having any record of it's existance IMPLISITLY STATES that there was no macthing reocrd of it in the historical archives. That's not something you easily screw up an understanding of.
And the Hopper says that it is the ONLY variant at the time that doesn't match with the historical records.
YES. IT. DOES. Did you EVER talk to Legion? He explisitly states that to the geth, their physical platforms are disposible, and since they can switch between ANY body at will. And with their abilaty of becoming ANYTHING from an armature to a ship system (Detailed in the "Geth: Armature" Codex Entry), that would
EXPLISITLY ENTAIL not having an emotional connection to to their physical platforms, because they can interchange into ANY TYPE OF PLATFORM.
Also,
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY WERE BUILDING A MEGASTRUCTURE FOR? You think if they cared about physical bodes, they would have been building that thing in the first place, rather then try to make all geth like Legion? They were ALL supposed to upload into that thing - their bodies were nothing but
disposible tools to them. Hence the reason why the never bothered to make major upgrades to their design or function.
How on earth did you miss THAT, considering that aly REAL LOGICAL THINKING would lead one to the realization that the geth have as much value for their bodies as the Reapers do for Huks. They are tools and nothing more, and are replaced each time one breaks.
Um...
mechs didn't EXIST until after the Battle of the Citadel. Go to the Codex and read up how Security Mechs like LOKIS, FENRIS and YIMR mechs were created
within the last two years.Also, you no longer need to swap out biotic amps all the time, with a single L5 system serving all needs.
Cloaking tech never existed in Mass Effect priro to ME2. No books entail it's use before ME1. It NEVER EXISTED until after the second game.
The Codex on the Armor states that it's production is a recent innovation, since beforehand, mass-producing it for any ship that wasn't asair-made was basically either impossible, or bankrupting. That changed in the span of two years.
In
SIX MONTHS, the turians reversed the tech of Sovergein's gun to create a weapon that, three years later, is the mainstream for the galaxy's ship weapons.
The Claymore was listed as a human invention that was only usible by krogan. That inplyes it was a prototype weapon, recently produced. Even more credidance to this is given by how just six months later, the weapon was retooled for use by any species, including salarians.
So, ONCE AGAIN, you are dead wrong, because:
(A)
LEGION SPICIFICALLY STATES that all geth were made for the same tasks, and the
CODEX SPICIFICALLY STATES that all geth were made as tools of labor and war.
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The geth have had
NO REASON to upgrade their platforms in their 300 year isolation since they never planned on leaving the Veil, and the Codex states that Geth Hoppers are the only platform that is diffinitively
NOT in their records, and that they appeared no different then standard geth in the Server Recrodings, despite Shepard having seen enough geth to disgunish different types of geth,
HAD THEY EXISTED PRIOR TO THE WAR. © ALL GETH have superior body strength, shown by how they can wield guns that would normally break people's arms like the Widow sniper rifle, and in how they can pick up people with a single hand and choke them out. All can kill at the drop of a dime.
So,
AGAIN.
THERE. IS . THE . PROOF.
Once again, the only problem was in YOU ignoring it.
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