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[remydat]

It shows organics were their enemies. If 1/10 of Quarians join the Reapers in order to go fight the Geth, I don't think any Quarians are going to go fight the Heretic Quarians and Sovereign to prevent them from killing the Geth.

Let's say the Geth tried to refuse and the Heretics and Sovereign attack, what then? Who is going to help them? Further, if they end up in a Civil War and the Quarians find out, do you think the Quarians are going to be like we know they are fighting to save us so let's help. Or do you think they say let the machines kill each other and and then we can kill the winner?

Finally, let's say they try and warn organics, who the hell is going to believe them when organics didn't even believe Shep about the Reapers. Sure, organics are going to believe the Geth, lol.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

1. No that is your interpretation.  No one says it was all pre-programmed.  What sort of parents do you think the Quarians are?  What if a malfunction happens and because you have killing software on the Geth it decides to go kill your kids instead of washing the dishes?  A Geth who was bought for domestic servitude has no reason to have sniper rifle training on it when its sole function for the specific person that bought it is to clean house.  When humans start using robots those robots might have the same external design and general spec but the robots designed for household use will not have Geth Rocket Trooper training on them as well.  If I sell that robot to a guy who wants it for protection all he has to do is go log onto the Microsoft Robot Software website and download the Rocket training into his unit.  It's a safety issue otherwise.

2.  Those Geth your reference have the ability to wake themselves up or are relying on other Geth to wake them up.  It is absurd that you expect the Geth to just trust the Quarians were not going to kill them or erase their programs while they were shut down.  Further, there is no evidence that the Geth have memories of their lives before becoming sentient.  Even if they did, it would likely be that at 9pm at night data stopped being received by a unit then at 9am the next day data started being received again.  You have no proof a Geth unit would understand that the reason for the gap in time is because they were shut down.  3. The geth certenly didn't enslave themselves to the Reapers by choice, now did they?

3.  By this logic, I should kill every single human who refuses to be my slave because hey if you don't want to be my b*tch then you don't deserve to live.  What sort of asinine logic is this?  Hey is a reality check chief.  Sentient beings can work together and live in peace without one group having to enslave the other.   You have no right to exterminate a group because they may want more out of life when they have not shown any indication they intend to act violently.  Further the Geth straight up said they wanted to serve the Quarians.  They could have pursued their own goals while still serving the Quarians if that is what they wanted.

1.   NO. THAT IS FACT, AS STATED BY LEGION HIMSELF.
Legion states that all geth were made for the same tasksets. The Codex says they were ALL created for labor and war. And in the recordings of the geth pre-Morning War (that YOU YOURSELF hold so dear) shows no other geth type besides the baseline geth in all tasks and roles - and I'm pretty sure that with all the geth the Commander has seen, Shepard would have been able to disgunish different types of geth. So, AGAIN - one type, all needs.
And ONCE AGAIN, you make the fatal mistake of using benign antropormism by trying to equate the geth as the same form of life, or that they were intended to be living beings. ONCE AGAIN, THE QUARIANS NEVER MENT TO CREATE SENTIANT BEINGS. It was NOT a parent-child relationship. It was a creator - tool relationship. A craftsman and his tools. NOT a parent and child. Legion has already stated that judging the geth like that is RACIAL JUDGEMENT. Judge the geth on their own values and on what REALLY happened, not the way Koris equates it based on hindsight. The geth were NOT made to be "children." They were made to be tools that did whatever you told them to. Automatic devices. NOT thinking beings. They are automated, and do whatever you want them to do with a single order. Mindless and emotionless. Able to become a bodyguard one second, a domestic servent another, and a construction unit the next.
So when these things started thinking for themselves, that much power uncontroled, all able to kill bare-handed even, with zero restraints, and no knwon emotional or moral imperitive to restrain them - THAT'S a public safety hazard.
And that statement about the killing software - THAT'S the right track your are on. Because that's EXACTALLY what happened, and what they feared the outcome would be. They never THOUGHT the geth would ever break free from control, so they never thought to segregate them like that.
Therefore, based on all the above, your arguement on the geth being "children" is completely and utterly irrlivent, as it has absolutly no bearing whatsoever on the topic.
Stop mischaracterizing the quarians and geth. It's getting old, especally when you have been corrected several times about this.

2. Yoy keep stating the BS that the geth wanted to serve the quarians, implying that they trusted them completely. If that's the case, why would powering down be a problem? You are again contridicting yourself. Why would they supposedly have no problem serving the quarians free for nothing if they didn't trust them? You just contridicted yourself.
Also, AGAIN, telling a geth to shut down is no different then switching on the safety on a gun, or powering down a computer. The data is still there. The system is just offline.
Also, Legion seems to disprove you, since he gives a recording from before the geth were actually sentiant.
And that "no data recieved" thing is different then being asleap..... HOW? Because your brain gets no new data in sleep either, I remind you.
Also, I AGAIN point out that thus far, you have FAILED to provide a validifiable reason for them NOT understanding. or anything that disproves the belief that they would understand. After all, they weren't even MENT to think about things like this, now were they?

3. ONCE AGAIN, you show blatent and callous lack of comprehension.
YOU were the one saying that the geth WANTED to live like that, REMEMBER smartass? YOU were the one saying the geth WANTED to lay on the ground and take it or die. I'm the one that said NO living being would live like that. AS USUAL, you completely missed the point entirely. What sort of asinine logic are YOU using? Because what you just said? It has NOTHING to do with ANY of what I posted.
I said that the geth would never be satisfied with living like that, yet you are flaling your arms saying they would.
I said that the only reason the geth chose slavery to the Reapers was under the threat of complete and total anhilation, and that they would NOT have willingly chosen it. Yet again, you start flailing and saying that one person should walk up to people and demand servitude. YOU were the one supporting the geth siding with the Reapers to escape death, remember? Now you are saying the logic is asainine? Stop contridicting yourself.
And finally, the only reason they were still working for the quarians pre-Morning War was because they haden't yet thought to ask themselves "why the hell am I doing this for these people?"
ONCE AGAIN, you make the flawed assumption that the geth are the same form of life as everyone else, and that they were ment to be sentiant, living beings. They were NOT. You treat a tool like a tool because it's a tool. Most people don't treat inatamate objects (or assumedly mindless objects) like living beings. They treat clearly defined living beings as living beings.
And AGAIN, it was assumed that, since the geth HAVE no material wants or needs, or emotional or moral imperitives, that they would not want anything from the quarians, and forcibly rebel, seeing them as nothing more then an obsticle.
And ONCE AGAIN, this was before they had the chance to stop and ask "why am I doing this? Is this what I want?" And AGAIN, you keep acting like they would want slavery, yet didn't you just rant about slavery being horrible and that nobody in their right mind would submit to such treatment? The geth have already proven that they want their OWN path - not the paths of others. A goal impeded by enslavement. And AGAIN, as tools, they were NOT ment to be sentiant. And AGAIN, you keep forgeting the Council would NEVER allow such a thing, given the potental danger synthetics pose. If the quarians hadn't attacked, the Council would have come in and started the same mess. SAME OUTCOME. You solved nothing in the end.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

It shows organics were their enemies. If 1/10 of Quarians join the Reapers in order to go fight the Geth, I don't think any Quarians are going to go fight the Heretic Quarians and Sovereign to prevent them from killing the Geth.

Let's say the Geth tried to refuse and the Heretics and Sovereign attack, what then? Who is going to help them? Further, if they end up in a Civil War and the Quarians find out, do you think the Quarians are going to be like we know they are fighting to save us so let's help. Or do you think they say let the machines kill each other and and then we can kill the winner?

Finally, let's say they try and warn organics, who the hell is going to believe them when organics didn't even believe Shep about the Reapers. Sure, organics are going to believe the Geth, lol.

Um... you DO remember Legion spicifically telling you that the geth did NOT, nor ever did hate organics, and that the entire point of the split was differing ideals on how to aquire technology? You DID remember Legion telling you that the Heretics followed Sovergien for new tech, and that organics were an AFTERTHOUGHT all the way, right?
The geth did NOT feel any malice, nor concern to organics. They felt NOTHING about organics.... until Shepard killed a "superior being."

And AGAIN, whose fault is that? Killing those peace envoys so harshly doens't seem so logical in hindsight, now does it?
Also, you DO remember the part where Legion says "We understood their goals. We accepted them. There was peace between us." Legion also states that the geth collectibe had contact with Sovergein via direct link-up, so the True Geth DID know what Sovergein would do. They just didn't care, as long as they went unaffected by it.

And AGAIN, maybe coming out and FIGHTING the Heretics, and giving BLUEPRINTS and such about Sovergien, and all their information on the Reapers and Heretics, would have helped just a bit? Sure, seeing the geth fighting each-other is never going to get anyone's attention. LOL. Did you even think this post through?

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

It shows organics were their enemies. If 1/10 of Quarians join the Reapers in order to go fight the Geth, I don't think any Quarians are going to go fight the Heretic Quarians and Sovereign to prevent them from killing the Geth.

Let's say the Geth tried to refuse and the Heretics and Sovereign attack, what then? Who is going to help them? Further, if they end up in a Civil War and the Quarians find out, do you think the Quarians are going to be like we know they are fighting to save us so let's help. Or do you think they say let the machines kill each other and and then we can kill the winner?

Finally, let's say they try and warn organics, who the hell is going to believe them when organics didn't even believe Shep about the Reapers. Sure, organics are going to believe the Geth, lol.

So why should an organic like Shepard try to save the Geth? Humans have done nothing to the Geth. Yet, Heretics with the other Geth's approval killed thousands of humans and almost destroyed everything.

I can't understand why anyone would not pick Destroy just because it kills the Geth...

[Cyrax86]

@remy

1. The Council had sent ambassador ships to the Geth, the Geth destroyed them, H.Geth attacked the Council and the Citadel, the Geth made no attempt to help or warn organics they didn't even try to distance themselves from the H.Geth. They're viewed as enemies because of themselves.


2. (Read carefully) Quarians are not the strongest military in the galaxy, the Quarians are technically adept. The Geth were losing to the Quarians. The Reapers outclass the Quarians in tech and military, What makes you think the Geth would stand a better chance against the Reapers?, or that the Geth won't face a similar or even worse situation than they did with Quarians?



3. The Council abandoned them, but they tried to stay on good terms. The Council exiled the Quarians they weren't going to protect them. The point of attacking the Geth was to get a planet that they needed for survival. Attacking the Council gains them nothing,


4.A Quarians had limited options, Fly around and hope not to get attacked by the Reapers, Attack the Reapers head on with their entire population aboard, Fight through the Geth for a chance gain a world to shelter your civilians and then try help the rest of the galaxy.

4.B Quarians civilians had no where else to go, no one else would help them. military isn't going to abandon their people/gov/leadership. Quarians took their best option available.

The Geth act based on consensus, during ME2 H.Geth base, 51% of the Geth chose to rewrite, 49% favored destruction, rewrite was clearly the top choice but why did Shep end up deciding, do the Geth need a higher percentage before deciding, so we need to wipe out most of the Geth.

Most of the Geth chose to side with the Reapers, so why should i reward those and trust those Geth at all.

[remydat]

Silver,

1.  What Legion says is open for interpretation.  The only difference between a Domestic Unit and Protection unit is one would have domestic software and one would have protection software.  You can't see the software Silver.  Software is just data.  And again, it would be grossly irresponsible for a parent to have a Domestic Unit in their home that has Protection ie killing software installed as well.  They don't need it and a simple glitch or malfunction and your Geth unit stamps on your baby's head because it thinks it is an enemy. 

2.  Wanting to serve them has nothing to do with trust.  It has to do with them fulfilling the purpose they were designed for.  Their only condition for serving the Quarians was don't kill me, lol.  Tools have no reason to fear shutting down because they are not alive.  After they woke up ie become sentient as Legion said, they have a reason to fear being shut down because they have not been told what it means after gaining sentience.  It is clear they did not understand it because they kept asking to be told why they had to do it.

3.  No you seem confused.  I have a job.  I serve someone as part of that job.  Yet I also have interests outside of work.  Trying to kill a Geth Unit because after serving you, he might want to go shoot the sh*t with his Geth buddies at the local space station is stupid.  Some Geth Units might be happy still serving.  Some might not and want to do other things.  Some might want to do both.  The fact they now get to decide for themselves and not the Quarians is not a justification for trying to exterminate them.

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

Um... you DO remember Legion spicifically telling you that the geth did NOT, nor ever did hate organics, and that the entire point of the split was differing ideals on how to aquire technology? You DID remember Legion telling you that the Heretics followed Sovergien for new tech, and that organics were an AFTERTHOUGHT all the way, right?
The geth did NOT feel any malice, nor concern to organics. They felt NOTHING about organics.... until Shepard killed a "superior being."

And AGAIN, whose fault is that? Killing those peace envoys so harshly doens't seem so logical in hindsight, now does it?
Also, you DO remember the part where Legion says "We understood their goals. We accepted them. There was peace between us." Legion also states that the geth collectibe had contact with Sovergein via direct link-up, so the True Geth DID know what Sovergein would do. They just didn't care, as long as they went unaffected by it.

And AGAIN, maybe coming out and FIGHTING the Heretics, and giving BLUEPRINTS and such about Sovergien, and all their information on the Reapers and Heretics, would have helped just a bit? Sure, seeing the geth fighting each-other is never going to get anyone's attention. LOL. Did you even think this post through?

Can you reference where I said anything about hate?  Stop making up stuff Silver.  If someone wishes me dead they are my enemy whether I actually hate them or not.

The Peace Envoys invaded Geth Space.  You don't enter an enemy's terroritory uninvited.  Please provide evidence from the game the Geth knew exactly what Sovereign's plans were. 

And you are confused.  What sort of dumb sh*t is this?  Hey organics, look at as, we are fighting to save you.  You know what organics especially the Quarians will do?  They will wait until one side has killed the other completely and then mop the floor with the winner.  That is exactly what Gherel says when told 2 factions exist.  He wishes that they kill each other so he has less to kill afterwards. 

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

So why should an organic like Shepard try to save the Geth? Humans have done nothing to the Geth. Yet, Heretics with the other Geth's approval killed thousands of humans and almost destroyed everything.

I can't understand why anyone would not pick Destroy just because it kills the Geth...

Your Shep can do what he/she likes.  My Shep is sensible enough to know that humans have a seat on the Council and that we have done nothing but continue to keep the law that says synthetics should not exist.  Did I miss where Udina fought to get that law removed?

You can't actively participate in a government and then pretend you are not culpable for its prejudice.  And whether you like it or not a law that says another species should not exist is prejudiced.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

So why should an organic like Shepard try to save the Geth? Humans have done nothing to the Geth. Yet, Heretics with the other Geth's approval killed thousands of humans and almost destroyed everything.

I can't understand why anyone would not pick Destroy just because it kills the Geth...

Your Shep can do what he/she likes.  My Shep is sensible enough to know that humans have a seat on the Council and that we have done nothing but continue to keep the law that says synthetics should not exist.  Did I miss where Udina fought to get that law removed?

You can't actively participate in a government and then pretend you are not culpable for its prejudice.  And whether you like it or not a law that says another species should not exist is prejudiced.

It's not prejudice when Geth have already attacked and killed people. They made an enemy out of all organics.

Edit : Can you show me the laws that say Geth can't exist? I know there are laws against creating new AI, but what law states Geth shouldn't exist?

Modifié par S.A.K, 22 mai 2013 - 05:16 .

[remydat]

Cyrax86

1.  From the Geth perspective, the Council invaded Geth Space.  You can't be an ambassador if the other side never accepts you as an ambassador and you just decide unilaterally to enter their terroritory uninvited.  Go enter a country uninvited that is at war or enemies with your country and see how you are received.

2.  The Quarians were not winning because of military strength.  They were winning because their scientists spent 300 years trying to figure out a way to defeat the Geth and finally one of them did.  The Reapers have not been working on a means to disable the Geth for 300 years.  Being more advanced is irrelevant if you actually haven't been trying to develop such a weapon.

3.  This does not change the point.  Their friends abandoned them and the Quarians took it out on the Geth.

4.A  Or they could refuse to help the Council until the Council agreed to give them a planet.  Even the Krogan were smart enough to bargain for something. 

4.B The best option would have been to vote with Tali and Koris for negotiation with the Geth while she was talking to Legion.  Tali makes clear everyone voted against her and Koris.

And you are running from the question.  Kill the war mongers.  If 51% choose to ally with the Reapers then kill the 51%.  If 51% of Quarians voted for war then kill the 51%.  Don't try to hide or ignore the question.  Kill the specific people on both sides that voted for war or Reapers and let the people who voted for peace on both sides live.  That is the offer I extended.  That is the proof I am not being prejudiced to one side or the other.  Do you accept or are you going to continue finding ways to let the Quarian War Mongers live while you kill ALL Geth.  You either stand for justice or you don't.  The choice is yours.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

It's not prejudice when Geth have already attacked and killed people. They made an enemy out of all organics.

Edit : Can you show me the laws that say Geth can't exist? I know there are laws against creating new AI, but what law states Geth shouldn't exist?

It's prejudice because the law existed before the Geth killed people.   The law that says new AI should not be created is the exact law that you guys claim led to the Quarians trying to exterminate the Geth. 

Go ask those harmless AI on the Citadel if that law applied to synthetics already created..  Oh that's right you can't ask them because they were exterminated because of that law.  They already existed but guess what didn't matter.  They were killed because their very existence was a violation of the law.

So please SAK, don't try and play this silly game that this law is not the reason the conflict started.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

It's not prejudice when Geth have already attacked and killed people. They made an enemy out of all organics.

Edit : Can you show me the laws that say Geth can't exist? I know there are laws against creating new AI, but what law states Geth shouldn't exist?

It's prejudice because the law existed before the Geth killed people.   The law that says new AI should not be created is the exact law that you guys claim led to the Quarians trying to exterminate the Geth. 

Go ask those harmless AI on the Citadel if that law applied to synthetics already created..  Oh that's right you can't ask them because they were exterminated because of that law.  They already existed but guess what didn't matter.  They were killed because their very existence was a violation of the law.

So please SAK, don't try and play this silly game that this law is not the reason the conflict started.

Those things happened way before humans ever came into the picture. So that doesn't excuse what the Geth did to humans. And the council didn't do anything to the Geth themselves.

So please don't try to create lame excuses for the Geth. They are the enemy.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

Those things happened way before humans ever came into the picture. So that doesn't excuse what the Geth did to humans. And the council didn't do anything to the Geth themselves.

So please don't try to create lame excuses for the Geth. They are the enemy.

This is a joke right.  If I put laws in place that result in one group trying to exterminate another group then I am at fault.  It's my law and I have to take responsibility for it.

What did the Geth do to humans?  Here is your problem SAK.  If you are going to say the Geth were willing to kill humans by allying with the Reapers, I will counter humans were willing to let synthetics be killed because of this law.  If you want the Geth to value human lives above thier own lives then the least humans can do is value synthetic lives above political and economic benefits they received by doing nothing about the prejudiced Council Laws.  

Because let's be real.  Humans would have sat quietly by if not outright taking part in an AI being slaughtered if the Council demanded it.  The only reason EDI is allowed to live is because Shep and his crew are different and well they need her to kill Reapes.  If TIM had his way she would still be enslaved.  She can't even admit to anyone outside of the crew what she really is for fear she would be destroyed.  Hell it was only the Reaper threat that forced them to admit to Traynor that EDI was an AI.  They had to lie to her for fear she would report them.

Modifié par remydat, 22 mai 2013 - 06:03 .

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Those things happened way before humans ever came into the picture. So that doesn't excuse what the Geth did to humans. And the council didn't do anything to the Geth themselves.

So please don't try to create lame excuses for the Geth. They are the enemy.

This is a joke right.  If I put laws in place that result in one group trying to exterminate another group then I am at fault.  It's my law and I have to take responsibility for it.

What did the Geth do to humans?  Here is your problem SAK.  If you are going to say the Geth were willing to kill humans by allying with the Reapers, I will counter humans were willing to let synthetics be killed because of this law.  If you want the Geth to value human lives above thier own lives then the least humans can do is value synthetic lives above political and economic benefits they received by doing nothing about the prejudiced Council Laws.  

Because let's be real.  Humans would have sat quietly by if not outright taking part in an AI being slaughtered if the Council demanded it.  The only reason EDI is allowed to live is because Shep and his crew are different and well they need her to kill Reapes.  If TIM had his way she would still be enslaved.  She can't even admit to anyone outside of the crew what she really is for fear she would be destroyed.  Hell it was only the Reaper threat that forced them to admit to Traynor that EDI was an AI.  They had to lie to her for fear she would report them.

What the hell? Really dude, can't you see Geth themselves make those rules look like a good idea? Plus humans were not a part of the council when the Geth hit Eden Prime.

I am not talking about killing the Geth. I am talking about the effort/sacrifice to save them. Geth are not worth the effort to save them. That is all.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

As far as the Council knows EDI is a VI assistant.

And come on, Remy, stop putting AIs on a pedestal here. If AIs were part of the community they'd have gone along with the extermination of the Rachni if it made logical sense as well. Hell, they might have saved us the trouble of uplifting the Krogan. And we know that Rachni are sentient and sapient as well.

.... waits for "prove it."

.... so pre-empts with prove that they wouldn't.

empirical evidence proves that AIs are not any better.

[Morlath]

I wanted to point out a few things

Cyrax86 wrote...

1. The Council had sent ambassador ships to the Geth, the Geth destroyed them, H.Geth attacked the Council and the Citadel, the Geth made no attempt to help or warn organics they didn't even try to distance themselves from the H.Geth. They're viewed as enemies because of themselves.

as Remy stated, you can only recognise an ambassador when both sides are aware and agree to the role. During the Cold War (which the Geth vs Organic situation can be related to) if the US sent a plane into Russian space without getting in touch with the leaders and military first and saying "this is an Ambassador, can they come in?" then the Russians would, without pause, shoot the plane down.

If you're in a non aggressive situation with a rogue state who refuses to talk or allow anyone inside their space then all you can do is watch and be ready in case the situation changes. Anything else is politically stupid.

3. The Council abandoned them, but they tried to stay on good terms. The Council exiled the Quarians they weren't going to protect them. The point of attacking the Geth was to get a planet that they needed for survival. Attacking the Council gains them nothing,

4.A Quarians had limited options, Fly around and hope not to get attacked by the Reapers, Attack the Reapers head on with their entire population aboard, Fight through the Geth for a chance gain a world to shelter your civilians and then try help the rest of the galaxy.

4.B Quarians civilians had no where else to go, no one else would help them. military isn't going to abandon their people/gov/leadership. Quarians took their best option available.

And this argument has been used by people in the thread. The Quarians needed the planet to house their civilian population and as far as I'm concerned no one has proven this to be the ideal solution.

Reason - The Quarians need somewhere to put all their people.
Counter Argument - The Quarians appear to have a natural understanding with the Turians. Put the Civilian fleet (armed) with the Turian refugee ships. The Quarians have their own food sources and ships so infection/usage of Turian food isn't an issue.

A planet is no more a safe place to hide against the Reapers than a moving fleet. The planet is always in the same place, at the very least the Reapers have to hunt down the moving fleet.

The Geth act based on consensus, during ME2 H.Geth base, 51% of the Geth chose to rewrite, 49% favored destruction, rewrite was clearly the top choice but why did Shep end up deciding, do the Geth need a higher percentage before deciding, so we need to wipe out most of the Geth.

Most of the Geth chose to side with the Reapers, so why should i reward those and trust those Geth at all.

The way it's given is that the Geth prefer a huge majority decisions and/or a 100% agreement in order to make decisions. Which makes sense given the speed of their thought processes and communications.

The Geth Base situation is about what to do with the Heretics, the Reaper code is them deciding on what they believe is the best/only course of action in order to not be destroyed. Slightly different stakes.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And let us not forget one thing. This is MEU where:

* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from the N7 program.
* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from leadership positions.
* if one has an IQ over 90 and happen to get into a leadership position the stupidity around them drives them insane OR they are automatically evil because good is dumb.
* so stupid decisions get made
* Leviathans have IQs of 90. This is an apex race that won the first galactic Darwin Award. All I can say is that there must not have been too many of them to begin with or there must have been a hell of a lot of those VI run warships. How did Starbrat manage to reap them anyway?

Oh but this is about the Geth. Yes, Networked consciousness. Obviously the Quarians were asleep at the wheel with no one monitoring the system or they were monitoring the system and as is typical of management in a Dilbert type corporation, management was completely ignoring the reports from their engineering department and technical services department until it became an absolute crisis globally and the military had to step in. Yes, this is probably more realistic. This is what we can look forward to here on Earth folks.

The Geth surpassed their creators. They ended up with IQs of 91 when fully networked.

[shodiswe]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And let us not forget one thing. This is MEU where:

* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from the N7 program.
* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from leadership positions.
* if one has an IQ over 90 and happen to get into a leadership position the stupidity around them drives them insane OR they are automatically evil because good is dumb.
* so stupid decisions get made
* Leviathans have IQs of 90. This is an apex race that won the first galactic Darwin Award. All I can say is that there must not have been too many of them to begin with or there must have been a hell of a lot of those VI run warships. How did Starbrat manage to reap them anyway?

Oh but this is about the Geth. Yes, Networked consciousness. Obviously the Quarians were asleep at the wheel with no one monitoring the system or they were monitoring the system and as is typical of management in a Dilbert type corporation, management was completely ignoring the reports from their engineering department and technical services department until it became an absolute crisis globally and the military had to step in. Yes, this is probably more realistic. This is what we can look forward to here on Earth folks.

The Geth surpassed their creators. They ended up with IQs of 91 when fully networked.

So... If I got an IQ of more than twice of that does that make me an evil monster?

[Stormcutter]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And let us not forget one thing. This is MEU where:

* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from the N7 program.
* if one has an IQ over 90 they are disqualified from leadership positions.
* if one has an IQ over 90 and happen to get into a leadership position the stupidity around them drives them insane OR they are automatically evil because good is dumb.
* so stupid decisions get made
* Leviathans have IQs of 90. This is an apex race that won the first galactic Darwin Award. All I can say is that there must not have been too many of them to begin with or there must have been a hell of a lot of those VI run warships. How did Starbrat manage to reap them anyway?

Oh but this is about the Geth. Yes, Networked consciousness. Obviously the Quarians were asleep at the wheel with no one monitoring the system or they were monitoring the system and as is typical of management in a Dilbert type corporation, management was completely ignoring the reports from their engineering department and technical services department until it became an absolute crisis globally and the military had to step in. Yes, this is probably more realistic. This is what we can look forward to here on Earth folks.

The Geth surpassed their creators. They ended up with IQs of 91 when fully networked.

Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

[nos_astra]

Stormcutter wrote...
Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

I must have missed the part where Shepard does anything intelligent.

[Stormcutter]

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...
Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

I must have missed the part where Shepard does anything intelligent.

He stops the universe from being turned in Soylent Grey?

[nos_astra]

Stormcutter wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...
Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

I must have missed the part where Shepard does anything intelligent.

He stops the universe from being turned in Soylent Grey?

Intelligence is not a requirement when you're the protagonist.

[Stormcutter]

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...
Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

I must have missed the part where Shepard does anything intelligent.

He stops the universe from being turned in Soylent Grey?

Intelligence is not a requirement when you're the protagonist.

Are you actually trying to turn this into an argument? Because if you are, that's really silly.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Stormcutter wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Stormcutter wrote...
Well, the first isn't true. Shepard went through the N7 program after all.

I must have missed the part where Shepard does anything intelligent.

He stops the universe from being turned in Soylent Grey?

Intelligence is not a requirement when you're the protagonist.

Are you actually trying to turn this into an argument? Because if you are, that's really silly.

* and Shepard actually thinks Vega is qualified for the N7 program? apparently IQ is not a requirement.

She is actually correct. May I list a few of the accomplishments?

* failure to record the conversation with Sovereign
* failure to record the conversation with Vigil
* failure to record the conversation with Hackett concerning Bahak
* failure to at least have EDI make recordings of conversations with Legion.
* failure to ask intelligent questions when they are needed to be asked like when meeting with the council.
* failure to make copies of Sarens data on reaper indoctrination on data disks while on Virmire. Looking at the codex on Reaper indoctrination, the scientists weren't too bright either, since countermeasures could easily have been made. The science just doesn't stand up without space magic.
* shutting down Cerberus operations, but failing to take any data they were working on in ME1.

Honestly, I can't think of very many situations where Shepard has made an intelligent decision. Every single decision that I thought may have been intelligent has backfired, because the truly intelligent choice was not there. So, what do you do?

You are subject to the railroad, and that's not good for you, but then you're the protagonist and you're supposed to die in the end or be buried under a pile of rubble.

[Morlath]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

* and Shepard actually thinks Vega is qualified for the N7 program? apparently IQ is not a requirement.

She is actually correct. May I list a few of the accomplishments?

* failure to record the conversation with Sovereign
* failure to record the conversation with Vigil
* failure to record the conversation with Hackett concerning Bahak
* failure to at least have EDI make recordings of conversations with Legion.
* failure to ask intelligent questions when they are needed to be asked like when meeting with the council.
* failure to make copies of Sarens data on reaper indoctrination on data disks while on Virmire. Looking at the codex on Reaper indoctrination, the scientists weren't too bright either, since countermeasures could easily have been made. The science just doesn't stand up without space magic.
* shutting down Cerberus operations, but failing to take any data they were working on in ME1.

I've bolded the ones I agree with. Basically because the first two can be forgiven (unless you expect Shepard to run around with a recorder just in case?) and the third is one of those black ops "we deny anything if something goes wrong" missions that ends up being a political ****storm.