Cyrax86 wrote...
@morlath
Council was unaware if they would be hostile toward all or just the Quarians, The point im trying to make is organics/Council has tried to negotiate with the Geth, while the Geth have proven their hostile toward organics.
I understand what you're trying to say but negotiations only work if both parties are willing to listen and/or there is something both want/need to come out of it. In the Geth situation the best that could have been hoped for was an official pece treaty.
The Turians haven't really been friendly toward Quarians, your assuming the Turians would help. They need a world not just for shelter but for food and supplies as well. Its getting to the point were their own ships can't sustain them. Before they eat the Turian food it has to be cleaned/sterilised, and making and assumption that Turians have enough food to feed millions of Quarians.
There are a few hints throughout the game of Turians and Quarians being able to understand/talk to each other better than the Quarians can with other races. There's even that extremely popular vid on the romantic side of such talks that Tali loves and is mentioned elsewhere in the MEU.
See, here is where the argument for taking back Rannoch falls down for me. The Quarian fleet still has its live ships which they're looking to use as the main source of food even if they succeed in taking back the planet. They don't know the Geth have been looking after it or to what extent the planet can sustain food growth so they'd still need to use the live ships to feed everyone and keep themselves in sterilised environments. However the same situation suddenly becomes impossible to do if you simply take the civilians off a planet, keep them in their live ships and put them inside a Turian protection fleet that's already looking after its own people.
- The food is cross-species so each side could share if required.
- The civilians would be safer than stuck on Rannoch while the Quarian military went off to fight the war. Unless the Quarians weren't really planning on joining the war until Shepard shows up.
A fleet that is no match against the Reapers in space, They would just become a large slow moving target. It takes days for the entire Quarian fleet to pass through a relay. So instead of being "warmongers" they become cowards, 
. Quarians wanted to help but were unable, everyone expects the Quarians to help but no one is expected to help Quarians.
Now I
will agree on the fact that the Quarians find justificating in their attack from their lack of galatic support. The isolation of both sides has caused major problems in both internal attitudes and external appearences/ability to ask for help.
All those decisions affect all Geth, for better or worse. When it came to deciding if they should join the Reapers or not, it was either a large portion or it was all the Geth, those Geth chose to submit to Reapers and not only doom themselves but the rest of the galaxy as well. so as i said several times already, why should i trust those Geth?
Because you can't take decisions out of context and hope to make any sensible reply from it. People DO do stupid things out of fear/under thread.
I'm going to make a WW2 ananoly that I think suits the situation far better than anything thrown around.
You've got country A. History is that it was originally run by one type of people with another as more the subservient race. The people in charge came to believe that an uprising and strive for equality/reversal of roles was about to happen and so attacked their slave people. After a bitter, senseless war that almost destroyed the entire race of those who used to be in charge the country is now run by the slave race and the others left to like their wounds.
Europe circa 1940. The evil right-wing Reaper Party has appeared seemingly out of nowhere (even though people kept warning those in charge that an invasion was going to happen) and they are now spreading across the continent to harvest, destroy and control any sentient life they find. They've sent a message out to the former slave people "hey, we could have some use for you. Want some help in achieving your true potential in return for being our slaves?"
The people say no. They want to grow in their own way. And then along comes the original race, attacking with a weapon they've never seen before that is ripping through their defenses. The offer comes again. "You're being annihalated. We can help for the right price."
Out of fear, lack of other ideas or sheer desperation and panic they accept the deal.
And if you think that's a big leap then just think for a minute on how many people during terrible wars like WW2 or any other turn on other people not because they want to or because they agree with the evil side but simply because they're afraid for their own life and their sense of self-preservation is stronger than any moral compass telling them the "right" thing to do.
Does it mean you can trust them with important data and positions once freed from their situation? Probaby not.
Does it mean they're worthless? Does it mean they're as bad as the Naz/Reapers/whoever are?
Context.
A man/woman kills someone of another race. The fact they did it because of the race is a much more moral horror than killing them in cold blood for money or power or any other reason.
Free the Geth and trust them with your babies? Probably not. Free the Geth and have them prove themselves on the front line as a way of redeeming their act of selfish preservation? Why not?
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