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Qistina wrote...

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I think my favorite part of this thread was the assertion that humans lost fur because we started wearing clothes.

F*cking evolution, how does it work?


I have already told you...it's magic

And they call it Evolution Theory


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Oh, surely enough, the change in genetic characteristics over a period of many, many, many generations is a magical process and one that is totally not scientific. W/o a doubt, Charles Darwin was one of the most magnificent wizards to have ever lived.


It is written in Kabbalah, The Ancient One changing form in material world towards perfection, the Ancient One is dualism, male and female, separated, then having sexual relationship in the quest of become one again, The Ancient One appear in many forms, changing and keep changing to become the perfect form and then become one again, the process continue...then Adam Kadmon come into being, the perfect being....then Eve come out from Adam Kadmon...The Ancient One separated and become one again, through sex...

Yes, Charles Darwin is a wizard in a form of a scientist....do you know how many scientists at his own time reject him? And up to today his theory never being proven, remain a theory but widely accepted as science...the theory itself evolved to Neo-Darwinism and so on...

It is no different with scientologists trying to explain how alien come to earth from billion light years


See, that's where you don't understand. The reason that Darwin said what he did is that he actually looked at the world, said what he saw, and came up with an explanation. The reason we're more specific than he is is because we've seen more evidence and drawn a better picture. That is how we know what we know about evolution, by consistently looking deeper. That is fundamentally different than the modern texts of Scientology and the Ancient Texts of basically everything else, they explain everything in the context of an answer they invented after a cursory glance. (Or out of nothing, as Scientology does it.) That is also what the mages of Thedas do; they see magic, and report how it works. That is also what the Qunari do, and in a lot of ways they do it better. That is why they have both science and magic, because they are one in the same in Thedas.

And if that project to find an actual mage and prove his power scientifically works, that is how it will be here. (Contingent on that being how the world actually works, which it probably isn't due to the lack of success from an experiment that ought to work were that the case.) But until and unless that works, magic and science are not the same thing.

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Qistina wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Oh, surely enough, the change in genetic characteristics over a period of many, many, many generations is a magical process and one that is totally not scientific. W/o a doubt, Charles Darwin was one of the most magnificent wizards to have ever lived.


It is written in Kabbalah, The Ancient One changing form in material world towards perfection, the Ancient One is dualism, male and female, separated, then having sexual relationship in the quest of become one again, The Ancient One appear in many forms, changing and keep changing to become the perfect form and then become one again, the process continue...then Adam Kadmon come into being, the perfect being....then Eve come out from Adam Kadmon...The Ancient One separated and become one again, through sex...

Where Darwin got his idea?

Yes, Charles Darwin is a wizard in a form of a scientist....do you know how many scientists at his own time reject him? And up to today his theory never being proven, remain a theory but widely accepted as science...the theory itself evolved to Neo-Darwinism and so on...

It is no different with scientologists trying to explain how alien come to earth from billion light years

They tell you it's science, but actually it's magic...because science is just 1/3 of the whole pie


Ah, interesting.

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OP, even if the rest of Thedas will gain access to gun powder, it doesn't means you will have m16 or akm or m60 or any given gun with decent firerate, reload speed, accuracy and reliability to surpass magics.

also last time i checked sticks and stones have evolved to a nuclear bomb. not to mention that fool with a gun is a very dangerous fool.

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secretsandlies wrote...

OP, even if the rest of Thedas will gain access to gun powder, it doesn't means you will have m16 or akm or m60 or any given gun with decent firerate, reload speed, accuracy and reliability to surpass magics.

also last time i checked sticks and stones have evolved to a nuclear bomb. not to mention that fool with a gun is a very dangerous fool.


Maybe for DA 6 or 7 but yes finger flamethrowers don't need to reload.
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Ravensword wrote...

Ah, interesting.

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Yes, absolutely :wizard:

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This thread is magical.

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See if you said everything is according to how we conventionally understand it, but what we don't understand is that what we understand has a fundamental magical nature, that would be one thing. Instead you say Darwin is a ****ing wizard with magic orbs, oh my ****ing god.

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Alright, this topic is worth no rat sh*t now! I'm outta here!

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Magic is powerful.
Magic is Nature.

Gunpowder weapons? A toy created by humans.

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Inquisitor Recon wrote...

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You can't yet but soon.
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So what Qistina is trying to tell us is that a wizard did it?

Didn't we already know that?  =]

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The Woldan wrote...

Legatus Arianus wrote...

Early firearms as lame as this:

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Fail.

Those barrels were found in the ground, that means their wooden stocks were gone, originally they looked like this:  

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You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darlings.

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Silfren wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Silfren wrote...
I think my favorite part of this thread was the assertion that humans lost fur because we started wearing clothes.

F*cking evolution, how does it work?


I have already told you...it's magic

And they call it Evolution Theory


***WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***




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Qistina. Stop posting. your drunk.

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And could someone explain how gunpowder would make the qunari any less of a threat or advanced than thedas, considering they've perfected the utilitarian ideal to a point we couldn't hope to achieve? Mages no longer being discriminated against and not simply shot and killed by the armed but not militarily disciplined infantrymen? And how gunpowder somehow makes the blight any less of a threat, let alone to the point that the blight becomes "trivial"?

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Qistina. Stop posting. your drunk.


It's much much worse than that I'm afraid.

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Qistina wrote...

Yes, absolutely :wizard: 


I hope I'm not coming across as rude, but are your posts made through a language translator? Because I think there might be something lost in the translation.

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secretsandlies wrote...

OP, even if the rest of Thedas will gain access to gun powder, it doesn't means you will have m16 or akm or m60 or any given gun with decent firerate, reload speed, accuracy and reliability to surpass magics.

also last time i checked sticks and stones have evolved to a nuclear bomb. not to mention that fool with a gun is a very dangerous fool.

Something like this would be enough.

Perhaps for the final Siege of Minrathous?

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Swagger7 wrote...

By the way, for anyone who thinks early firearms took a minute or two to reload:

www.youtube.com/watch

First shot at 2 seconds, third shot at 33 seconds.  That's almost 4 shots per minute.  Granted, he's using tap loading instead of a ramrod, whcih increases the chance of misfires, and he'll eventually need to take time to reposition the matchcord, so that rate of fire isn't sustainable indefinitely.  Still, that's pretty impressive, and a lot better than you can get out of a hand cranked arbalest.  Let's tone it down a bit for the sake of argument to two shots per minute sustained.  Say you have 1000 men armed with matchlock muskets, and let's be conservative and give them a 20% chance of misfiring.  You line them up in five rows of 200.  The front rank fires and then falls back to reload while the next rank moves up and fires.  The first 200 fire (or try to), sending 160 balls downrange.  Then the next rank fires, etc at a pace where the first rank will have finished loading by the time it gets back to the front.  That's a rate of fire of 160 rounds every six seconds, or 1600 rounds per minute.

You know what else shoots 1600 bullets in a minute?  About four of these:

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Somehow I think 1600 rounds that could punch through plate armor were a whole lot more useful than 2-3 times as many arrows, when most of them just plinked off armor anyways.  And in case anyone still thinks longbows were a serious threat vs armor, let me reiterate something I added to an earlier post when I thought of it:

"I should also point out that during the era of the Wars of the Roses
(~1455-1485)  the shield had largely disappeared from the battlefield.  (books.google.com/books
Why?  Because armor had very little vulnerability to the bows and
crossbows of the time.  Why would men have laid aside their shields if
their armor was particularly vulnerable to ranged attack?  The only
shield that remained in widespread use was the pavise, which crossbowmen
hid behind to reload, and the buckler, which was quite small and
therefore only of use in melee.  Large shields were cast aside because
armor provided sufficient protection, and knights and men-at-arms were
better served by a free hand with which to grapple or by having both
hands free to use a poleaxe."


EDIT:  As far as accuracy goes, here's a 4'x2.5' piece of cardboard shot with a replica matchlock at 25 yards, by someone who had never fired one before:

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(www.asmainegoes.com/content/shooting-matchlock-musket-long-pictures-and-videos)


And here's a more experienced shooter at ~25-30 yards:

www.youtube.com/watch

(skip ahead to 6:07 if the link doesn't do it for you.)

That's a small enough grouping to aim for headshots.

Thanks. Learned a lot from this.

Matchlock guns are not exactly the earliest firearms though. But I'm expecting Thedas to develop its equivalent technology very soon, likely within Dragon Age itself.

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Swagger7 wrote...

The early guns of ~1475-1675 were far more effective in most respects than people (including myself) have been willing to give them credit for.  You can pile up mountains of anecdotes on the other side of the argument, but they hold no weight compared to this:  Authentic, average quality guns that were hundreds of years old could reliably hit a person at 100m half the time and likely punch right through their armor. The matchlock long gun was a superior weapon to the bow and crossbow in most respects, and rendered both of them obsolete. 

Most definitely. 

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FINE HERE wrote...

On topic, I'd prefer DA stayed in the more medieval fantasy style than steampunk. Keep gunpowder super rare. It can exist, I guess, but I rather the player or the common thug/enemy didn't get their hands on it.

I despise steampunk.

But gunpowder =/= steampunk.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

On topic, I'd prefer DA stayed in the more medieval fantasy style than steampunk. Keep gunpowder super rare. It can exist, I guess, but I rather the player or the common thug/enemy didn't get their hands on it.

I despise steampunk.

But gunpowder =/= steampunk.

Well, yeah, but other people have mentioned turning DA to steam punk, that's the only reason I said it. What I want to say is: gunpowder is okay, but if everyone had access to it, I wouldn't be thrilled. I want it to stay rare.

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Matchlock guns are not exactly the earliest firearms though. But I'm expecting Thedas to develop its equivalent technology very soon, likely within Dragon Age itself.


I seriously doubt the Devs have any plans to take DA in that direction, sorry. 

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