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[Ravensword]

On topic: it would take awhile for the widespread use of gunpowder would lead to all the things OP listed.

Off topic: how did we get from talking about gunpowder to morphing into tigers?

Modifié par Ravensword, 19 mai 2013 - 06:17 .

[Drone696]

I don't know? xD

[Zkyire]

I'll never understand the hate RPGers have for guns.

Thedas technology rivals middle ages European and Middle-Eastern tech. Everyone thinks "Oh that's great"

Well they also had rudimentary guns. Everyong thinks "This is a fantasy game, guns have no place here!"

And what's worse, cannons already exist in the setting, and have no problem with it, but whine when the player is given the option.

There is no logic behind this.

[Boycott Bioware]

Zkyire wrote...
Well they also had rudimentary guns. Everyong thinks "This is a fantasy game, guns have no place here!"

I already suggest "Magic Gun" i post in my own thread but seems to be no one like it...

If we can have magic sword, magic bow, magic crossbow, magic whatever weapons, why not magic guns?

Enchantment?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Zkyire wrote...
Well they also had rudimentary guns. Everyong thinks "This is a fantasy game, guns have no place here!"

I already suggest "Magic Gun" i post in my own thread but seems to be no one like it...

If we can have magic sword, magic bow, magic crossbow, magic whatever weapons, why not magic guns?

Enchantment?

No, I actually don't mind, as long as it makes sense in the context of the setting. All I said was that the devs already said they aren't going to do it.

[Boycott Bioware]

Filament wrote...
Fantasy is about that mythical past where everything was awesome and magical. Some see gunpowder symbolically as a bridge too close to the present day,

I just wonder why Harry Potter don't use gun, instead he choose to magic duel with Voldermort

It is a lack of creativity, conservative thinking....

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Filament wrote...
Fantasy is about that mythical past where everything was awesome and magical. Some see gunpowder symbolically as a bridge too close to the present day,

I just wonder why Harry Potter don't use gun, instead he choose to magic duel with Voldermort

It is a lack of creativity, conservative thinking....

No, he refuses to use a gun for the same reason he refuses to use Avada Kedarva: they're both freaking lethal. Most of the other people in the Wizarding World either lack creativity, think too conservatively, or both.

[Boycott Bioware]

StreetMagic wrote...

They have two flagship RPG worlds, where you can get your magic/sword fix or your gun/space fix. That should be enough to satisfy most people. I don't know why it's uncreative to make two types of games. If anything, they're addressing a lot of different ideas this way.

Well Star Wars prove that it can mix, Jedi/Sith are magical but the universe is futuristic, and it happen long long time ago in the galaxy far far away....

The Lightsaber is a weapon of magical warriors, it's a laser sword

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

No, he refuses to use a gun for the same reason he refuses to use Avada Kedarva: they're both freaking lethal. Most of the other people in the Wizarding World either lack creativity, think too conservatively, or both.

Just shot Voldermort, end story lol

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

No, he refuses to use a gun for the same reason he refuses to use Avada Kedarva: they're both freaking lethal. Most of the other people in the Wizarding World either lack creativity, think too conservatively, or both.

Just shot Voldermort, end story lol

Or Avada Kedavra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 19 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Or Avada Kevadvra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

But they have flying car, flying motorbike, invisible bus, lighter that can turn of street lights, interdimensional train...why not magic gun?

Modifié par Qistina, 19 mai 2013 - 08:42 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Or Avada Kevadvra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

But they have flying car, flying motorbike, invisible bus, lighter that can turn of street lights, interdimensional train...why not magic gun?

The car (and thus presumably the motorcycle) are illegal, remember? The magic gun probably is too. Even were it not, Harry wouldn't use one, thus there's little point to there being one narrativewise.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 19 mai 2013 - 08:50 .

[Swagger7]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Or Avada Kevadvra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

But they have flying car, flying motorbike, invisible bus, lighter that can turn of street lights, interdimensional train...why not magic gun?

The car (and thus presumably the motorcycle) are illegal, remember? The magic gun probably is too. Even were it not, Harry wouldn't use one, thus there's little point to there being one narrativewise.

Just give up.  It is impervious to logic.

Modifié par Swagger7, 19 mai 2013 - 08:52 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh, right.

[Sutekh]

Qistina wrote...

Filament wrote...
Fantasy is about that mythical past where everything was awesome and magical. Some see gunpowder symbolically as a bridge too close to the present day,

I just wonder why Harry Potter don't use gun, instead he choose to magic duel with Voldermort

It is a lack of creativity, conservative thinking....

He doesn't use a gun because it wouldn't fit the internal logic of Rowling's universe. Two main reasons being:

- Duel's in Hogwarts. Technology doesn't work there at all (anti-tech magic field).

- It wouldn't kill old Voldie because Horcruxes, and poor Harry would be in a deep, deep ****.

Same internal logic reasons could apply to DA regarding how gunpowder would mix with magic, or would meet any success at all. It would all depend on the rules the writers decide. If they decide they mix, then they do. If they decide tech replaces magic entirely, or is the same thing or whatever, then it does. If they decide tech works too poorly for whatever reason, that's what happens. Their world, their rules. How it works in the real world, or in your world, or on Planet X, doesn't matter.

[Boycott Bioware]

Sutekh wrote...
- Duel's in Hogwarts. Technology doesn't work there at all (anti-tech magic field).

Really? I see many technology in Hogwarts and they all don't look primitive. Hogwart is the same like any college except in few things

Sutekh wrote...
- It wouldn't kill old Voldie because Horcruxes, and poor Harry would be in a deep, deep ****.

It will kill Voldermort, he just need to shoot him 7 times, Voldermort divide his life to 7 in 7 horcruxes

Sutekh wrote...
Same internal logic reasons could apply to DA regarding how gunpowder would mix with magic, or would meet any success at all. It would all depend on the rules the writers decide. If they decide they mix, then they do. If they decide tech replaces magic entirely, or is the same thing or whatever, then it does. If they decide tech works too poorly for whatever reason, that's what happens. Their world, their rules. How it works in the real world, or in your world, or on Planet X, doesn't matter.

I know that you are not the writer of Harry Porter and DA...why bashing on someones who give suggestions?

[Plaintiff]

Filament wrote...
Fantasy is about that mythical past where everything was awesome and magical.

Some of it is. The vast bulk of fantasy deals with wholly-created otherworlds where the progression of our own history has absolutely no relevance.

Some fantasy places itself within other time periods in our own history, or in the modern day.

Fantasy can be absolutely anything, and the only good reason to not have guns (or other technological developments) is if the creator of that particular fantasy doesn't want them. There's nothing inherent to the genre that says they can't be used.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hey thread how's it go----

Still crazy?

Alright have a good one.

*leaves*

[Plaintiff]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Or Avada Kevadvra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

But they have flying car, flying motorbike, invisible bus, lighter that can turn of street lights, interdimensional train...why not magic gun?

The car (and thus presumably the motorcycle) are illegal, remember? The magic gun probably is too. Even were it not, Harry wouldn't use one, thus there's little point to there being one narrativewise.

Arthur Weasley's flying car is "illegal" simply because it's unregistered, and a high risk for exposing magic to "muggles". He was performing magical experiments in secret. The ministry themselves and other wizards have vehicles of a magical nature (the Knight Bus, stretch limos that squeeze through traffic, etc), so the flying car and Sirius's motorbike aren't illegal just because "technology".

There's no reason to assume enchanted guns would be illegal, Rowling has said before that, all things being equal, a gun would beat 'Avada Kedavra' everytime. So guns would be extremely useful for Aurors to have. It's more likely that most of the wizarding community simply has no idea how guns even work, or that they even exist. Most of them don't seem to have any interest in learning about "muggles", and the few that do, like Arthur Weasley, are terrible at understanding "mundane" science.

There's also the issue that in the Harry Potter universe, technology will break down in areas with a high concentration of magic (like Hogwarts, the point comes up often). But presumably if it was magically modified, that wouldn't be an issue (the Weasleys' flying car lives on the Hogwarts grounds after escaping, with no apparent ill effects).

A better question would be why Voldemort doesn't use nuclear weaponry. But that's likely explained by his belief that "muggles" are beneath wizards and have nothing worthwhile to offer.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 mai 2013 - 02:47 .

[Plaintiff]

Filament wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Filament wrote...
Fantasy is about that mythical past where everything was awesome and magical.

Some of it is. The vast bulk of fantasy deals with wholly-created otherworlds where the progression of our own history has absolutely no relevance.

Not absolutely. The made-up worlds are still based on something and in the fantasy genre it tends to be our world in medieval times, hence "faux-medieval." If it starts resembling a "faux-modern" instead it could create a disconnect in the player's expectations of what the genre should be or where magic is acceptable.

Some fantasy places itself within other time periods in our own history, or in the modern day.

Fantasy can be absolutely anything, and the only good reason to not have guns (or other technological developments) is if the creator of that particular fantasy doesn't want them. There's nothing inherent to the genre that says they can't be used.

Oh I agree, but I would suspect that those who are so against the idea of guns in fantasy game would not appreciate those fantasy games that take place in other periods of history (the later ones, at least) or the modern day.

Oh, you agree. Well... good. I'll go browbeat someone else.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Plaintiff wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Or Avada Kevadvra him. But he's not willing to do either of these. Harry just isn't willing to kill, which is why he isn't the sort of hero who could use both magic and a gun together. (And of course magic guns aren't a thing in this setting, since mixing the two is illegal under the thing where wizards and witches pretend not to exist.)

But they have flying car, flying motorbike, invisible bus, lighter that can turn of street lights, interdimensional train...why not magic gun?

The car (and thus presumably the motorcycle) are illegal, remember? The magic gun probably is too. Even were it not, Harry wouldn't use one, thus there's little point to there being one narrativewise.

Arthur Weasley's flying car is "illegal" simply because it's unregistered, and a high risk for exposing magic to "muggles". He was performing magical experiments in secret. The ministry themselves and other wizards have vehicles of a magical nature (the Knight Bus, stretch limos that squeeze through traffic, etc), so the flying car and Sirius's motorbike aren't illegal just because "technology".

I was wondering about that. Thanks.

There's no reason to assume enchanted guns would be illegal, Rowling has said before that, all things being equal, a gun would beat 'Avada Kedavra' everytime. So guns would be extremely useful for Aurors to have. It's more likely that most of the wizarding community simply has no idea how guns even work, or that they even exist. Most of them don't seem to have any interest in learning about "muggles", and the few that do, like Arthur Weasley, are terrible at understanding "mundane" science.

They'd probably still be restricted, the way guns are in Britiain. That said, there's also the thing you mention where are really spotty with regards to advanced technology. (That was my original point, anyway.)

A better question would be why Voldemort doesn't use nuclear weaponry. But that's likely explained by his belief that "muggles" are beneath wizards and have nothing worthwhile to offer.

No, that's why he doesn't use guns. Presumably, he doesn't use nukes because he doesn't want to rule over a pile of radioactive ashes.