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[Plaintiff]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
No, that's why he doesn't use guns. Presumably, he doesn't use nukes because he doesn't want to rule over a pile of radioactive ashes.

Voldemort strikes me as being rather unambitious. He only seems to care about Britain, and then only the magical half of it, but we've been shown in previous books that the magical community extends all around the world.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 mai 2013 - 03:07 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

honestly seeing muskets in Dragon Age would be interesting to say the least. Would be kinda like Arcanum.

[Sutekh]

Qistina wrote...

Really? I see many technology in Hogwarts and they all don't look primitive. Hogwart is the same like any college except in few things

It is specifically stated, via Hermione and 'Hogwarts: A History' (fictional book in the books) that Muggle tech doesn't work at Hogwarts. Which many technologies do you see there?

It will kill Voldermort, he just need to shoot him 7 times, Voldermort divide his life to 7 in 7 horcruxes

It's much more complicated than that. Harry would have to shoot / destroy each horcrux separately, then Voldemort himself. I thought the books / movies were pretty clear. What with all the frantic Horcruxes research in the 6th and 7th books if shooting or even Avada Kedavring Voldie seven times was enough? Harry had to practically commit suicide by Voldemort in order to be able to finally kill him, because he was himself a Horcrux.

Also, and more on topic (sort of), magic isn't defenseless against tech. Spells can be devised to counter it: force-fields, "Kevlar" spells etc... getting back on Thedas, a force mage could easily deflect bullets and such and make the whole gun thing completely useless, just like Voldemort can easily come with such a spell.

I know that you are not the writer of Harry Porter and DA...why bashing on someones who give suggestions?

Err... bashing? And what not being DA or HP writer has to do with having an opinion? 

[Boycott Bioware]

Sutekh wrote...
It is specifically stated, via Hermione and 'Hogwarts: A History' (fictional book in the books) that Muggle tech doesn't work at Hogwarts. Which many technologies do you see there?

Look at their clothes, if technology cannot work there, they are all naked.

Magic don't create clothes, there must be a clothing factory, before that, there must be a farm, cotton or sheep farm for wool, then there must be technology to create needles, technology to create threads, technology to create scissors...there must be fashion designers too

Unless you agree with me that science is magic...

Sutekh wrote...
Also, and more on topic (sort of), magic isn't defenseless against tech. Spells can be devised to counter it: force-fields, "Kevlar" spells etc... getting back on Thedas, a force mage could easily deflect bullets and such and make the whole gun thing completely useless, just like Voldemort can easily come with such a spell.

Silver bullet with magic enchanted gun

Magic Gun
-50% enemy magical defense
+50 damage against evil wizards and witches
Always Hit

Silver Bullet
+ 50 damage against all magical creatures
+ 50% critical damage against werewolves and vampires

Modifié par Qistina, 20 mai 2013 - 11:29 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

[Boycott Bioware]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

In the movie, it shown that in that magical land, every tools are working via magic, such as in Wesley house, those tools are created by what?

Unless of course you say they buy them at muggle world, but why would they buy them if technology can't work there and magic can do everything?

There's a mirror in the school. Erised (Desire), now to create a mirror you need a forge, to meltdown silicon, then you need polished silver to give the reflection, you need tools to shape all the things needed to create a mirror....that mirror don't just appear "magically"...

If technology can't work there then things just don't work

Of course foods can appear magically in the hall...that is absurd, i can only assume the foods are invisible then appear just to make the children happy...or some spirit stole them from hotels anywhere and teleport them there

[Xilizhra]

I'm fairly sure that it's electrical technology that doesn't work in Hogwarts. Anything that doesn't use that is fine.

[Sutekh]

Qistina wrote...
Look at their clothes, if technology cannot work there, they are all naked. 

Magic don't create clothes, there must be a clothing factory, before that, there must be a farm, cotton or sheep farm for wool, then there must be technology to create needles, technology to create threads, technology to create scissors...there must be fashion designers too

Unless you agree with me that science is magic...

Tech doesn't work at Hogwarts (where the duel takes place, which was the whole point in my first reply). It can work in the rest of the wizarding world, mixed with magic or not - if only because it's not really separated from the Muggle one, just hidden. Hogwarts is a special place with its own rules, even compared to the rest of the wizarding world.

This said, clothes in the magical world aren't made in factories either. Really, read the books or google those things. It's all specified and explained: "tech", clothes, communication, magical motorized vehicles, magically appearing food etc... Most of the time you'll see wizards have designed an equivalent way to make things, only using magic where Muggles use tech, and in some rare cases, mixing them. In short, in the wizarding world, magic does create clothes (and clocks, and mirrors, and books, and photographs..).

Example: teleporting food, which you find absurd. It's magically cooked in Hogwarts kitchens by house elves (remember Dobby and Kreacher?) then magically sent on the tables by the same elves. Nothing absurd about it, all fitting the wizarding world internal rules.

And no, as you might remember from upthread, I don't, but it's irrelevant here since we're talking about HP and Thedas.

Silver bullet with magic enchanted gun

Magic Gun
-50% enemy magical defense
+50 damage against evil wizards and witches
Always Hit

Silver Bullet
+ 50 damage against all magical creatures
+ 50% critical damage against werewolves and vampires

Silver doesn't do squat against magic in Thedas (or in the HP world - and neither, btw, does iron, which would at least be more in line with our own mythologies).

To create a magic gun, you'd have to mix tech and magic, make them co-exist, which defeats your whole "tech would make magic disappear" theory, but is perfectly fine by me.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I'm fairly sure that it's electrical technology that doesn't work in Hogwarts. Anything that doesn't use that is fine.

Not quite. It's more everything based on "hard science" (a bit nebulous, I know). So, the mechanical parts of the gun would work just fine, but the "science" part of it (i.e. the explosion) wouldn't.

Modifié par Sutekh, 20 mai 2013 - 12:47 .

[Nightdragon8]

the invention of the gattling gun was going to stop wars... sadly it did not...

Also the Qun HAS gunpowder, but it hasn't stopped them from using magic. Don't remember the mage Qunari?? The ones where they sow the lips together to prevent them from talking to anyone and "passing a demon to someone"

The only way Tech will get rid of magic is if, the Tech is designed to cut the ties to the Fade. So basicly you will need to make a forcefield in order to stop magic from being used. And even then I think Lyrium can bypass that restriction.

[Medhia Nox]

Potential and Kinetic energy are often considered "base" energies in the concepts of technology vs. technology. They are "primitive" energies for simple machines.

Thermal, chemical, electrical, electromagnetic, etc. etc. - are often considered those "hard science" energies for the basis of these kinds of worlds where formal science/technology is stunted.

Often with a bit of overlap with some energies.

Guns are chemical, kinetic and thermal energy conversions.

[Althix]

force field is nice. i mean if i have an assault rifle, the only way mage will survive is a force field spell.

but again, i do not follow why tech should get rid of magic or vice versa? i mean if i am mage i could use a sidearm or assault rifle. tank. toaster. tv or pc. coffee machine is nice too.

however as a mage with assault rifle i still superior to non mage with assault rifle.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 20 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Qistina wrote...
*More Qistina goodness*

So how was the pink elephant parade through the Emerald City?

I trust the vampires were pleasant.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 20 mai 2013 - 11:49 .

[Fishy]

What stop the darkspawn from using gun also ? and remember....

Zombie ­>>>> Gun

Modifié par Suprez30, 20 mai 2013 - 11:49 .

[MisanthropePrime]

Everyone worried about guns making a fantasy world into a FPS clearly hasn't played Hexen.

[pmac_tk421]

There would be changes, but not the ones you listed.
1. Mages can rain down fireballs from the heavens and summon spirits. The primitive rifles that Thedas would start offf with wouldn't compare.
2. Darkspawn will get guns. They do plenty of pillaging.
3. One invention won't bring everyone to the qunari's level. They're way ahead in other fields as well.
4. Do you pay attention to politics and society?

[Herr Uhl]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

No, clothes are technology. Hand weaving is definetly technology. Hell, a sharpened stick is technology.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Herr Uhl wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

No, clothes are technology. Hand weaving is definetly technology. Hell, a sharpened stick is technology.

I would not define clothes as either a tool, nor machinery, so it doesn't really qualify as technology.

[Boycott Bioware]

Herr Uhl wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

No, clothes are technology. Hand weaving is definetly technology. Hell, a sharpened stick is technology.

Yes, normal apes cannot crate clothes, the ability to create clothes is the mark of evolution. The Apes somehow learn how to create blanket to wrap their newborn who don't have furs anymore because the newborn is a complete human....., the papa ape realized that his children don't have claw anymore so he somehow learned how to create a weapon from a stick, sharpening it and become spear for his child.....that is how i watched it on history channel...

Sharpened stick, edged stone are technology

[Nightdragon8]

.... really people.... its gone down to splitting hairs and calling everything "technology" cause if "Everything" is Technology. Then the word no longer has any real meaning. And then this gets turned into a phylisophcal debt.

Adding guns wont solve the magic "problem" magic will still be around, and the warmongarers will be given another weapon to add to there arsonal to kill people with. Magic will still be used to cure people, and to kill people.

[Herr Uhl]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Clothes are not technology..... They might be created with technology, but are not technology themselves. It could also be handwoven...

No, clothes are technology. Hand weaving is definetly technology. Hell, a sharpened stick is technology.

I would not define clothes as either a tool, nor machinery, so it doesn't really qualify as technology.

Depends on which definition you choose I suppose. But I go with Baines definition. Quite simply, if humans made modifications that would not occur otherwise, that is technology. Clothes allow you to keep warm when you'd otherwise be cold. By that token, they can be seen as technology even by your definition, as they're a mean to achieve warmth, similar to a central heating system.

Anyways, I think that the technology quote was not meant towards clothing. I don't see how a woolen sweater could possibly malfunction, would it simply disintergrate or something?

[Boycott Bioware]

continue...

...the papa and mama ape are shocked to see their newborn have no fur and white skinned, they are monkey-laughed by other apes, but then there are more human are born from apes, so the first papa ape feel there must be "something" shaping them, the "unseen force" at work...the papa apes calling his "people" and try to reason with them about what really happen...and so he become the first prophet...the apes conducting a ritual to pleased the "unseen force" because of cursing them...after few generations, there are shamans for each community, they are the ones who teach about spirits that work behind things, they who give reason on how things working, when they want to go hunting the shaman will draw the animal they want to hunt for respect on the animal spirit...and so religion and magic created...that is how i watched on history channel...

[Harle Cerulean]

Now there's TWO threads where someone is saying things about human evolution that make me want to get government-mandated remedial anthropology classes for at least one person in each thread. @_@

Humans. Were not. Born. to Apes. Humans aren't even descended from apes; humans and apes share an extremely distant common ancestor, and humans weren't suddenly born as pink-skinned hairless weaklings, causing their baffled hairy man-beast father to accuse his equally baffled, hairy woman-beast wife of sleeping with the milkman. It was the result of gradual genetic adaptations to environment over an enormous number of generations. Also?  ****** habilis was using stone tools over 2 million years ago, well before our species evolved the genetics for less body hair. For the record? That was about 1.2 million years ago that that finished, and their skin was dark. Meanwhile, white skin is a relatively VERY recent adaptation rising among European populations - 12 thousand years ago. So much for white-skinned hairless ape babies.

Though I don't know why I'm bothering with the lesson, since I'm sure the person in question will proceed to 'sagely' tell me I'm wrong and it's because of magic or some such and was an overnight occurrence.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 21 mai 2013 - 11:13 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Now there's TWO threads where someone is saying things about human evolution that make me want to get government-mandated remedial anthropology classes for at least one person in each thread. @_@

Humans. Were not. Born. to Apes. Humans aren't even descended from apes; humans and apes share an extremely distant common ancestor, and humans weren't suddenly born as pink-skinned hairless weaklings, causing their baffled hairy man-beast father to accuse his equally baffled, hairy woman-beast wife of sleeping with the milkman. It was the result of gradual genetic adaptations to environment over an enormous number of generations. Also?  ****** habilis was using stone tools over 2 million years ago, well before our species evolved the genetics for less body hair. For the record? That was about 1.2 million years ago that that finished, and their skin was dark. Meanwhile, white skin is a relatively VERY recent adaptation rising among European populations - 12 thousand years ago. So much for white-skinned hairless ape babies.

Though I don't know why I'm bothering with the lesson, since I'm sure the person in question will proceed to 'sagely' tell me I'm wrong and it's because of magic or some such and was an overnight occurrence.

Thank you.