They're not using gunpowder for that, they're using money and the media.BlueMagitek wrote...
In Exile wrote...
iOnlySignIn wrote...
(1) Magic will no longer be descriminated against, as everyone can have access to something just as (if not more) dangerous.
Gunpower lets you control minds?
Have you looked at the NRA has been up to recently? </zing>
Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 mai 2013 - 02:58 .
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Can we turn it into a duel of one-liners? Those are always fun.
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Silfren wrote...
iOnlySignIn wrote...
They discriminate against everyone and everything, even themselves. So it's hard to argue there. I'll give you this one.ArcaneJTM wrote...
The Qunari have gunpower. Or some kind of explosive powder at least. Didn't exactly stop them from discriminating against mages, did it?
You don't have a compelling argument in the first place, I'm sorry to say. You've yet to demonstrate at all how the presence of gunpower or guns themselves would make people stop discriminating against mages. You just think it'll, uh, magically happen.
I think the idea is that guns are as powerful as magic, which means that everyone will be superpowerful when guns become common. And then, when everyone's super, nobody will be.
Um, it was very clearly a magical bomb.Even Anders blow up the Chantry using bomb, not magic
Qistina wrote...
I think when Thedas become more advance in technology, magic will disappear, because no one need magic anymore
Even Anders blow up the Chantry using bomb, not magic
Maybe Anders learn to make one from a Qunari, the story already hint us about gunpowder in Act 1, and Chantry blown up in Act 3.
Modifié par Silfren, 10 mai 2013 - 03:20 .
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Sanunes wrote...
Honestly the orginal firearms aren't that effective, but what made them seem to be effective is a person who isn't trained was able to use a firearm better then a bow and arrow and it was faster to reload then a crossbow. Most of the time the person died from wounds other then being shot such as infection or the internal damage, but who knows how the Darkspawn would react to something like that.
As far as being an equalizer for the mages, I could see the Arcane Duelist being kinda OP.
Filament wrote...
Dunno why guns + fantasy is always Fable, what about Torchlight, Project Eternity, Final Fantasy (some of them), etc. etc.
I still want the caster guns and Tao magic from Outlaw Star.
Silfren wrote...
Sanunes wrote...
Honestly the orginal firearms aren't that effective, but what made them seem to be effective is a person who isn't trained was able to use a firearm better then a bow and arrow and it was faster to reload then a crossbow. Most of the time the person died from wounds other then being shot such as infection or the internal damage, but who knows how the Darkspawn would react to something like that.
As far as being an equalizer for the mages, I could see the Arcane Duelist being kinda OP.
Bows were more efficient than early guns, more accurate and better at piercing armor, and with less chance of malfunctioning to injure the shooter. So I don't know that early guns could have seemed to be more effective, despite the differences in skill training. It hardly matters if unskilled people are able to use guns more easily than bows and arrows, if said guns are crap weapons compared to bows, and there are skilled archers available.
Um, it was very clearly a magical bomb.
Modifié par Silfren, 10 mai 2013 - 03:36 .
Silfren wrote...
Sanunes wrote...
Honestly the orginal firearms aren't that effective, but what made them seem to be effective is a person who isn't trained was able to use a firearm better then a bow and arrow and it was faster to reload then a crossbow. Most of the time the person died from wounds other then being shot such as infection or the internal damage, but who knows how the Darkspawn would react to something like that.
As far as being an equalizer for the mages, I could see the Arcane Duelist being kinda OP.
Bows were more efficient than early guns, more accurate and better at piercing armor, and with less chance of malfunctioning to injure the shooter. So I don't know that early guns could have seemed to be more effective, despite the differences in skill training. It hardly matters if unskilled people are able to use guns more easily than bows and arrows, if said guns are crap weapons compared to bows, and there are skilled archers available.
Qistina wrote...
Um, it was very clearly a magical bomb.
Anders improvise, he's a wizard
When we meet javaris, if Anders is there, he will mention about "I have heard about those things...", then Javaris talking about "making hole", "use on enemies" ect.....maybe there he got the idea to use bomb and learn how to make one...the rest is Varric exaggeration
Magic isn't going to disappear. It's a genetic trait that the lore has actually hinted as being on the increase.
Magic WAS involved in Anders' bomb. Either in its creation or its detonation or both.
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Bows
were more efficient than early guns, more accurate and better at
piercing armor, and with less chance of malfunctioning to injure the
shooter. So I don't know that early guns could have seemed to be more
effective, despite the differences in skill training. It hardly matters
if unskilled people are able to use guns more easily than bows and
arrows, if said guns are crap weapons compared to bows, and there are
skilled archers available.
also a lot of the early
guns took a stupidly long time to reload- you miss and while you are
reloading via stuffing the gunpowder in and bullet, your enemy runs up
to you and stabs you in the face. so I'm not really sure what you based
that comment on, Sanunes.
Modifié par ArcaneJTM, 10 mai 2013 - 03:41 .
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Sanunes wrote...
Honestly the orginal firearms aren't that effective, but what made them seem to be effective is a person who isn't trained was able to use a firearm better then a bow and arrow and it was faster to reload then a crossbow. Most of the time the person died from wounds other then being shot such as infection or the internal damage, but who knows how the Darkspawn would react to something like that.
As far as being an equalizer for the mages, I could see the Arcane Duelist being kinda OP.
Bows were more efficient than early guns, more accurate and better at piercing armor, and with less chance of malfunctioning to injure the shooter. So I don't know that early guns could have seemed to be more effective, despite the differences in skill training. It hardly matters if unskilled people are able to use guns more easily than bows and arrows, if said guns are crap weapons compared to bows, and there are skilled archers available.
also a lot of the early guns took a stupidly long time to reload- you miss and while you are reloading via stuffing the gunpowder in and bullet, your enemy runs up to you and stabs you in the face. so I'm not really sure what you based that comment on, Sanunes.
and with mages in the mix it makes even less sense; they can hurl fireballs and lightning a crapload faster and more accurate than someone with a 1st generation gun
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