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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Qistina genuinely scares me.

It's nothing to be scared of, it just something you are not accustomed to hear, it is common that "no one believe until it is too late..."

[Addictress]

The darkspawn might be able to handle firearms too, which would be even more terrifying.

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Sutekh wrote...
No, because, in Thedas, magic is a real, observable thing, and technology already exists. Simply being able to forge steel is already technology. They have various contraptions, optical instruments (the spy-glass in Awakening, Maric's grandfather's glasses mentioned in the Stolen Throne), and substances that go "boum". Qunari are decently advanced too. Technology doesn't begin with gunpowder.

Magic is real and observeable in our world too, not only in Thedas. Do you know that in our medieval time there are court wizards all over the worlds? They are not popular but they exist and serve the king/queen. Do you know that Queen Elizabeth do have court wizard who foretold her about Spanish invasion?

In the east there are many court wizards, and magic is widely used. Western historians and orientalists are usually dismissed historical records related with magic, they called it "myth", :literature", "folk story", it is because these historians are not accustomed to such thing and having modern mind set...

Sutekh wrote...
There's absolutely nothing preventing magic and advanced technology from co-existing, except, maybe, magic becoming obsolete at some point because something fade-controlled is always more dangerous and unreliable than something man / elf / dwarf / qunari controlled. A mix of both would be more likely, though. What Anders did at the Chantry is a good example of mixing technology and magic (the "potion" is technological - chemical - the detonation is made by magic).

Thedas is actually not far different than our real world about magic, i have mentioned it in other thread that i wonder where David Gaider got his idea.

Actually "certain people have more afinity to magic" is REAL, but in the game it goes to extreme where people are born Mages, and have affinity to the Fade, attracting demons and such. In real life, it depends on your blood, people with certain blood have affinity to magic, that is why blood line is important in secret society. If you want to believe, i have that blood too....and yes, i got problems with demons and such...scientific communities could say i am schizophrenic and such, but certain people know what i am going through really...

Thedas will become the same like our own world when technology rise, people will believe magic is nonsense, there will still be Mages everywhere but magic don't exist anymore

[Fast Jimmy]

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I'm going to say this and I'd really like it to not come off as being mean or antagonistic.

Seek psychiatric help. Seriously.

[lil yonce]

^^Like ESP? Yeah, there have been studies on this that have stayed mostly out of the public eye and at some point I'm sure its been called magic. Telepathy, Clarivoyance, ESP. We played this card game in my psychology intro class that tested those things. The experiments and studies at Duke University were very interesting. https://www.scimedne...nd-clairvoyance

But I digress. I don't want to get too much off-topic.

[Plaintiff]

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

So anyway, I don't believe Bioware has any intention of turning Thedas into a steampunk fantasy land, but I must admit that would be miles more appealing to me than what we've got currently.

I just love me some steampunk.

[lil yonce]

Plaintiff wrote...

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

What is your need to treat everyone with an opinion like an idiot?

[Joy Divison]

Swagger7 wrote...


Rate of fire is useless when your shots don't penetrate an enemy's armor.

Plate armor was not in abundance on European battlefields.  Also you keep saying this and the most classic battle of knights vs. longbows says you are wrong.  Ask the 10,000 dead French knights at Agincourt how effective longbows were.

By the time of the matchlock musket armor manufacturing had progressed to the point that most of the men in an army had at least a cuirass and helmet.  Armies in this period were smaller and more professional than previous centuries.

No, armies were getting bigger.  By the end of the Hundred Years War the French Monarchy was able to field a force of unprecendented size (or at least since Rome).

The matchlock gun so thoroughly replaced bows and crossbows on the battlefield that I find it hard to believe it wasn't generally superior.

It wasn't.  We keep telling you this.  If you don't believe us ask military historians like Jeremy Black of Geoffrey Roberts.

If bows or crossbows held some redeeming quality you'd think they would have been retained in sizable numbers for a long period.  Our forebears were just as smart as we are today.  If something worked they used it.  If it didn't, then it was discarded and replaced by something which did work.

Bows did work.  It just took a decade to train a decent archer.  It was much more cost-efficient to use firearms.

Heck, even the Japanese (who were famed for their archery) rapidly adopted the matchlock musket in huge numbers. 

Because the Japanese came to the same conclusion as the Europeans.  Cheap, replaceable, relatively effective soldiers make the best army/

[Mikoto8472]

Qistina wrote...

Magic is real and observeable in our world too, not only in Thedas. Do you know that in our medieval time there are court wizards all over the worlds? They are not popular but they exist and serve the king/queen. Do you know that Queen Elizabeth do have court wizard who foretold her about Spanish invasion?

In the east there are many court wizards, and magic is widely used. Western historians and orientalists are usually dismissed historical records related with magic, they called it "myth", :literature", "folk story", it is because these historians are not accustomed to such thing and having modern mind set...

 

There is no magic. Just science people don't understand.

[Silfren]

Qistina wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
No, because, in Thedas, magic is a real, observable thing, and technology already exists. Simply being able to forge steel is already technology. They have various contraptions, optical instruments (the spy-glass in Awakening, Maric's grandfather's glasses mentioned in the Stolen Throne), and substances that go "boum". Qunari are decently advanced too. Technology doesn't begin with gunpowder.

Magic is real and observeable in our world too, not only in Thedas. Do you know that in our medieval time there are court wizards all over the worlds? They are not popular but they exist and serve the king/queen. Do you know that Queen Elizabeth do have court wizard who foretold her about Spanish invasion?

In the east there are many court wizards, and magic is widely used. Western historians and orientalists are usually dismissed historical records related with magic, they called it "myth", :literature", "folk story", it is because these historians are not accustomed to such thing and having modern mind set...

Sutekh wrote...
There's absolutely nothing preventing magic and advanced technology from co-existing, except, maybe, magic becoming obsolete at some point because something fade-controlled is always more dangerous and unreliable than something man / elf / dwarf / qunari controlled. A mix of both would be more likely, though. What Anders did at the Chantry is a good example of mixing technology and magic (the "potion" is technological - chemical - the detonation is made by magic).

Thedas is actually not far different than our real world about magic, i have mentioned it in other thread that i wonder where David Gaider got his idea.

Actually "certain people have more afinity to magic" is REAL, but in the game it goes to extreme where people are born Mages, and have affinity to the Fade, attracting demons and such. In real life, it depends on your blood, people with certain blood have affinity to magic, that is why blood line is important in secret society. If you want to believe, i have that blood too....and yes, i got problems with demons and such...scientific communities could say i am schizophrenic and such, but certain people know what i am going through really...

Thedas will become the same like our own world when technology rise, people will believe magic is nonsense, there will still be Mages everywhere but magic don't exist anymore

Okay, look, you just don't know what you're talking about.  I used to be a practicing Pagan, so I can see where you're coming from, actually, but that doesn't make your assertions any less wrong.  The only thing they show is that you don't understand anything about science in general or evolution in particular.

Evolution:  I don't know what you do and don't understand about evolution.  I'm guessing very precious little, given your earlier admission that you don't believe in it.  But the fact is, magic is not going to stop being expressed in people with the rise of technology.  That you keep insisting it would just boggles the mind.  In the real world, humans didn't lose their fur because they started wearing clothes, and in Thedas, mages haven't lost the ability to cast fire spells simply because there are non-magical means of creating fire. 

Magic is NOT science.  By its very definition magic violates the laws of physics.  It is antithetical to science.  It's already been brought up that the maxim you apparently seem to be alluding to doesn't mean what you think it does.  The statement that modern science would look like magic to primitive peoples in no way means that science and magic are different words for the same thing.

I can't begin to figure where you're getting your ideas about crystal orbs used for communication.  There's nothing historical about that nonsense.  You've either been taking Lord of the Rings and other fantasy stories as literal fact, or you've listened to David Icke and his alien conspiracy silliness one time too many. 

In fact, now that I think about it I'm fairly sure that's where a lot of your ideas are coming from: David Icke and his fellow conspiracists, based on your comments about extraterrestrials.  I'm an avid follower of Icke's personal brand of crazy myself, but purely for the entertainment value--I have the good sense not to believe in any of it.

Modifié par Silfren, 11 mai 2013 - 03:28 .

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

So anyway, I don't believe Bioware has any intention of turning Thedas into a steampunk fantasy land, but I must admit that would be miles more appealing to me than what we've got currently.

I just love me some steampunk.

I don't really understand steampunk myself. Don't suppose you could name some fiction titles representative of the genre?

[Silfren]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

What is your need to treat everyone with an opinion like an idiot?

You're extrapolating a great deal from a single word.  Or do you not believe that people can disrepect opinions while not disrespecting the opinion holders?

Opinions are not sacred.  Nobody is obligated to treat them with equal regard.

[lil yonce]

Silfren wrote...

You're extrapolating a great deal from a single word. Or do you not believe that people can disrepect opinions while not disrespecting the opinion holders? Opinions are not sacred. Nobody is obligated to treat them with equal regard.

Its fine to disaree with an opinion but to take a tone that sneers at an opinion is unnecessary. Disrespecting and disagreeing with an opinon are two different things, and there really is no need to be disrespectful.

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Youth4Ever wrote...
^^Like ESP? Yeah, there have been studies on this that have stayed mostly out of the public eye and at some point I'm sure its been called magic. Telepathy, Clarivoyance, ESP. We played this card game in my psychology intro class that tested those things. The experiments and studies at Duke University were very interesting. https://www.scimedne...nd-clairvoyance

But I digress. I don't want to get too much off-topic.

You see, something that ancient people call as "magic" now being accepted as 'science" and can be explained through "science", how many more knowledge of magic later being studied and accepted as "science"...it is because both are actually THE SAME

What if i told you that there are many layers of this world? What if i told you that "The Veil" in Thedas is real in our world? when the veil is opened, all manners of creatures of the Fade pour out into this world. Sometimes people can see some unexplained creatures somewhere, it being filmed by camera, and so there is TV documentary about 'sightings"...those things are from "The Fade" they come into our world when "The Veil" is opened. Ask any Muslims about "the Veil" and they will tell you that "our eyes have been veiled and so we cannot see the beyond", i am not talking about the veil/hijab they are wearing. Some people can enter and travel through these veils, physically, some through hypnotism

In science, it is called 'worm hole", "fourth/fifth/sixth ect dimension", "teleportation", "time traveling" and so on...what if i told you that most things shown in the movies are actually...real. In China there is I'Ching, in Europe there are Rune Reading and Tarot, and in any other cultures have their own method to break "the Veil" and see the past and the future...in Star Wars it is vis The Force, in Back to the Future it is via time machine...

Today, you call the person who can predict things as "psychic", even the police use their service, in ancient time they are the Magus, Wizards, soothsayers, witches, shaman...

Science? Magic? Call it whatever you want

[Clover Rider]

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Some Geth wrote...

This geth gets it.

[BlueMagitek]

But that isn't grapeshot at all! D=

[Clover Rider]

BlueMagitek wrote...

But that isn't grapeshot at all! D=

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

BlueMagitek wrote...

But that isn't grapeshot at all! D=

It was all the poor dear could find on short notice.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, I was just put in my place. :/

Don't mess with Tenten and Cheesecake.
x.x

[AppealToReason]

Plaintiff wrote...

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

So anyway, I don't believe Bioware has any intention of turning Thedas into a steampunk fantasy land, but I must admit that would be miles more appealing to me than what we've got currently.

I just love me some steampunk.

Hell no. Are you bat **** insane? Dafuq!

[Clover Rider]

@Blue Yes.

And yes that's a fact.

Modifié par Some Geth, 11 mai 2013 - 04:24 .

[lil yonce]

Qistina wrote...

You see, something that ancient people call as "magic" now being accepted as 'science" and can be explained through "science", how many more knowledge of magic later being studied and accepted as "science"...it is because both are actually THE SAME What if i told you that there are many layers of this world? What if i told you that "The Veil" in Thedas is real in our world? when the veil is opened, all manners of creatures of the Fade pour out into this world. Sometimes people can see some unexplained creatures somewhere, it being filmed by camera, and so there is TV documentary about 'sightings"...those things are from "The Fade" they come into our world when "The Veil" is opened. Ask any Muslims about "the Veil" and they will tell you that "our eyes have been veiled and so we cannot see the beyond", i am not talking about the veil/hijab they are wearing. Some people can enter and travel through these veils, physically, some through hypnotism In science, it is called 'worm hole", "fourth/fifth/sixth ect dimension", "teleportation", "time traveling" and so on...what if i told you that most things shown in the movies are actually...real. In China there is I'Ching, in Europe there are Rune Reading and Tarot, and in any other cultures have their own method to break "the Veil" and see the past and the future...in Star Wars it is vis The Force, in Back to the Future it is via time machine... Today, you call the person who can predict things as "psychic", even the police use their service, in ancient time they are the Magus, Wizards, soothsayers, witches, shaman...

This is sorta the meta-divine realm world view fundamental to a lot of religion or belief systems.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 11 mai 2013 - 04:44 .