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[NuclearTech76]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

Somebody is so bored... might just be Newcular...

Claymore is misunderstood, barely used, and yes it is better than the Wraith. I love the Wraith; my BatSol never leaves the shuttle without it. That said, Claymore.

Also, this thread begs for more Bacon. And where is Void Nexus?

The Wraith is just flat out better in the hands of someone that can hit the head of the enemy.

Likely trolling people on Dark Souls.

[me0120]

I sincerely think the Claymore is sub par when compared to UR's. I tested it back to back with maxed consumables on Platinum against the other top tier shotguns and was extremely disappointed.

[WaffleCrab]

Ziegrif wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

I think everyone who swears by the claymore, should have this sticker on their claymore.
https://encrypted-tb...7MXi2bWrCuX99_z

I should have 2 and a rainbow and a heart sticker. Because I use the Claymore in other games too.
They really should let us customize our guns in ME4.

Thing is, i would take it too  for the laugh off it

[megabeast37215]

me0120 wrote...

I sincerely think the Claymore is sub par when compared to UR's. I tested it back to back with maxed consumables on Platinum against the other top tier shotguns and was extremely disappointed.

LOLno.... not with perfect RC it's not...

[Caldari Ghost]

tetsutsuru wrote...

GriM_AoD wrote...

Khelish wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

dextro tech ftw

Aye! Hear hear!

"Dextro tech"?  Not really.  Quarians reverse-engineered both the Reegar and the Arc Pistol from Cerberus' Arc Projector in ME2.

they made it their own? it is dextro tech based off of cerberus tech.  simple.

[Stardusk]

megabeast37215 wrote...

me0120 wrote...

I sincerely think the Claymore is sub par when compared to UR's. I tested it back to back with maxed consumables on Platinum against the other top tier shotguns and was extremely disappointed.

LOLno.... not with perfect RC it's not...

I am not obsessed with the Claymore but I do like it a lot. I don't really have a favourite shotgun in the game or for that matter weapon, though I definitely do not like some.

[Ohnenick]

 The Claymoar is one of the best sniper rifles in the game!
*strolls into a corner and waits*

[randomfoo]

I guess it's well past the time for serious discussion, but I totally agree w/ Tony. I have all the toys at my disposal, including guns that are "better" in terms of killing (Hurricane X, Harrier X), but the Claymore is still my fav - it's just the most engaging gun - it can be/is devestatingly effective, but requires you to actively manage your reloading, CD, enemy CD, cover, movement etc - every part of the game really. (and conversely it also punishes you when you mess up) Sure you can clear a spawn w/ a grenade, but how much more fun/badass is it to pick off two while running into the crowd, then taking 1/2 out every second while rolling and dodging their shots point blank.  Also, shooting Phantoms in the face.  Come on!

The Claymore is also a great all-arounder since it does decently vs armor, can be finessed to do some decent long-range shooting, and does a great job boss killing.

For a laugh, try AP3+/Drill3, Heavy Barrel + Smart Choke, and a Geth Scanner on a full damage spec SI or HS.

Tony Gunslinger wrote...

It ain't overhyped. In order to be good with the Claymore, you have to be very much in tune with your CDs, aiming, surroundings and enemy positions. You have to instinctively know what to do after strafing from soft cover to soft cover, landing a shot, reload cancel with a power, and kiting the two enemies flanking you. The Claymore makes you actively engaged in a wider range of game mechanics than with any other weapon. When you're on a roll, you feel like you are choreographing a symphony of destruction, and it's satisfying when that happens. And when you don't do well with it, it gives you the opportunity to recognize why you sucked. That by definition is a well designed gun. A badly designed gun is one that becomes a crutch, ie Reegar, which is basically "lol missed some shots who cares just give me my creds btw im14"

[OniGanon]

megabeast37215 wrote...

me0120 wrote...

I sincerely think the Claymore is sub par when compared to UR's. I tested it back to back with maxed consumables on Platinum against the other top tier shotguns and was extremely disappointed.

LOLno.... not with perfect RC it's not...

You're both correct... Claymore does keep up fairly well on DPS compared to the UR shotguns (though the URs have the benefit of extra range).

But the Claymore does fall behind on DPS against the top tier shotguns, which aren't URs. Claymore is 800ish DPS base, where Reegar, Raider and Pirahna all pull >1K. Claymore does have the advantage of extra range and infantry killing power over these guns though.

[Deerber]

MasterReefa wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

Crusader > Claymore

For killing bosses... yes... for killing mooks, no. Claymore does both very well.

The main thing I love about the Claymore is the limited exposure time... you pop out, blast something, then retreat while reload cancelling, or move forward toward the next target. Really helps on the GI with 3 points in fitness and no Cyclonic...

The Crusader can 2 shot almost anything and 1 shot a lot of mooks with a headshot. With a bigger clip size and good RoF i'm inclined to disagree.

Can a Crusader OHK a Phantom? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Pyro? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Collector Captain? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Ravager? I don't think so.


Should I go on? :innocent:

[OniGanon]

Deerber wrote...

Can a Crusader OHK a Phantom? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Pyro? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Collector Captain? I don't think so.

On a class with Overload, yes.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd]

Wraith all the way.

[Deerber]

OniGanon wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Can a Crusader OHK a Phantom? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Pyro? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Collector Captain? I don't think so.

On a class with Overload, yes.

Lol. So can 20-30% of the weapons in this game, roughly 

[Deerber]

MasterReefa wrote...


No but it can 2 shot them faster than the Claymore can reload cancel, and still have shots in the clip.
BSN has a weird 1 shot fetish...

True, but that means that you need to be in line of fire for the time of two shots.

And that changes everything.

[Deerber]

MasterReefa wrote...

Deerber wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...


No but it can 2 shot them faster than the Claymore can reload cancel, and still have shots in the clip.
BSN has a weird 1 shot fetish...

True, but that means that you need to be in line of fire for the time of two shots.

And that changes everything.

Deerber pls

Actually, I'm totally serious.

I'm not arguing that the Claymore is the best shotgun around, I'm not one of those who think that (although I do think it's the one which feels best).

But it's definitely no worse than the Crusader. They're different guns, and you can't argue that one is better than the other because it can kill something in 2 shots faster than the other can RC and still have clips to fire. You're not accounting for the fact that 2 shots to kill is totally different than one. Totally.

[Original Twigman]

Deerber wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

Crusader > Claymore

For killing bosses... yes... for killing mooks, no. Claymore does both very well.

The main thing I love about the Claymore is the limited exposure time... you pop out, blast something, then retreat while reload cancelling, or move forward toward the next target. Really helps on the GI with 3 points in fitness and no Cyclonic...

The Crusader can 2 shot almost anything and 1 shot a lot of mooks with a headshot. With a bigger clip size and good RoF i'm inclined to disagree.

Can a Crusader OHK a Phantom? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Pyro? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Collector Captain? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Ravager? I don't think so.


Should I go on? :innocent:

without debuffs/tc, the claymore cannot OHK a ravager.

also, a claymore cannot OHK a moving phantom without the proper debuffs/TC weapon damage boosts.

All of those points vs. the crusader are negated by the fact that headshots A) allows you to kill almost as fast, and allows you to move to another target without having to reload cancel.

Anytime you have multiple targets, its better to take them out in two hits, with spare ammo, than one hit and require a reload cancel. With the crusader v. claymore in particular, this become even more evident when A) the distance between targets is greater, and the chance of mukking up the RC.

there is also the point: if at anytime you are able to OHK a ravager with the claymore, you have severe overkill on any mook in the game and the redundancy lowers its value when its speed is compared.

I think the only reason to champion the claymore as the best shotgun is for style, which is subjective, and style alone

[IamZAE]

MasterReefa wrote...

Deerber wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

Crusader > Claymore

For killing bosses... yes... for killing mooks, no. Claymore does both very well.

The main thing I love about the Claymore is the limited exposure time... you pop out, blast something, then retreat while reload cancelling, or move forward toward the next target. Really helps on the GI with 3 points in fitness and no Cyclonic...

The Crusader can 2 shot almost anything and 1 shot a lot of mooks with a headshot. With a bigger clip size and good RoF i'm inclined to disagree.

Can a Crusader OHK a Phantom? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Pyro? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Collector Captain? I don't think so.

Can a Crusader OHK a Ravager? I don't think so.


Should I go on? :innocent:

No but it can 2 shot them faster than the Claymore can reload cancel, and still have shots in the clip.
BSN has a weird 1 shot fetish...

claymores are for scrubs. the only people I WILL ALLOW to use a claymore and not break their necks are kalas, zyzimorph,i will melt all the other crutchmoar wielding scrubs with my dark lord reegar carbine. big daddy ZAE has spoken i suggest you guys fall in line real quick.

[Uh Cold]

I heard it was the best from the best, can't wait to unlock it!

[Ashen One]

Claymore is good but definitely overhyped on this forum.

It's not as overrated as the Harrier though, so there's that.

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

Somebody is so bored... might just be Newcular...

Claymore
is misunderstood, barely used, and yes it is better than the Wraith. I
love the Wraith; my BatSol never leaves the shuttle without it. That
said, Claymore.

Also, this thread begs for more Bacon. And where is Void Nexus?

The Wraith is just flat out better in the hands of someone that can hit the head of the enemy.

Likely trolling people on Dark Souls.

I was at work, but after reading this I'm in the mood for some griefing. :happy:

Modifié par VoidNeXus 000, 10 mai 2013 - 07:32 .

[Deerber]

Original Stikman wrote...

without debuffs/tc, the claymore cannot OHK a ravager.

also, a claymore cannot OHK a moving phantom without the proper debuffs/TC weapon damage boosts.

Disregarding the rest of the post because I already ansered in the other post, I think.

But I wanted to say that this is wrong.

On the right class and with the right consumables, a claymore can OHK both a ravager and a moving phantom (not on host, though) without using TC nor debuffs of any kind.

[d_nought]

VoidNeXus 000 wrote...

It's not as overrated as the Harrier though, so there's that.

Or the Hurricane, imo

[Original Twigman]

Deerber wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

without debuffs/tc, the claymore cannot OHK a ravager.

also, a claymore cannot OHK a moving phantom without the proper debuffs/TC weapon damage boosts.

Disregarding the rest of the post because I already ansered in the other post, I think.

But I wanted to say that this is wrong.

On the right class and with the right consumables, a claymore can OHK both a ravager and a moving phantom (not on host, though) without using TC nor debuffs of any kind.

not true. Cowwy himself tested it on a krogan sentinel, fully specced for weapon damage. i have the PM somewhere.

Unless you are using MM or AR, then its not possible