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[Sir George Parr]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

PS: I now do that with movies too. I have not had the chance to watch Iron Man 3 yet but you can bet I know how it ends in great detail.

Huh. That's ... a little extreme, but more power to you.

what is the difference really? It is a franchise I like very much and I do not feel like walking out feeling like I

A: wasted 15$

B: should not watch the other movies again because all I would feel would be regret

When does that mentality simply move to all fiction, just so you're never disappointed with a lackluster ending?

It doesn't move to all fiction. A game invites you to assume the role of the protagonist and offers you an interactive experience that you don't get from a book or a film.With those kinds of media your reading or watching someone else's story. With a game it can become the players story. 
So when the protagonist in a film has a lackluster ending, its their ending and not my ending. While in a game the protagonist is an extension of the player and if the ending is lackluster its potentially a huge disappointment for people. If you feel that the player avatar has met a miserable end.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Creature0fHabit wrote...
You wont only lose me as a loyal fan but everyone else.

No thank you. I'm staying.

[SpamBot2000]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Creature0fHabit wrote...
You wont only lose me as a loyal fan but everyone else.

No thank you. I'm staying.

And they've already lost me.

[PsyrenY]

KingZayd wrote...

At this point, I'm going to have to hear really good things about the next game they make before I buy it. Certainly no preorder.

I dislike the practice of preordering in general (Jimquisition did a great episode on this topic btw) but if this debacle forces them to sweeten the preorder pot even more I'm all for it.

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And they've already lost me.

Then leave already :innocent:

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 11 mai 2013 - 04:48 .

[SpamBot2000]

Optimystic_X wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And they've already lost me.

Then leave already :innocent:

No. They should hear the message. And they haven't really shown that they have. So it needs to be repeated. And of all the places in the known universe, this is the most correct one to do that in.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 11 mai 2013 - 05:12 .

[remydat]

Like I said before, I sure hope all the people upset stick to their guns and don't buy ME4. Hopefully that means the ME4 message boards will not have 12 threads a day about how people hate the game.

[SpamBot2000]

Yeah, we're down to about 12 a day, over a year after release. Lots of folks have left.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 11 mai 2013 - 05:27 .

[crimzontearz]

remydat wrote...

Like I said before, I sure hope all the people upset stick to their guns and don't buy ME4. Hopefully that means the ME4 message boards will not have 12 threads a day about how people hate the game.

you are wishing for a dangerous thing. You think if ME4 sells poorly EA is gonna go "omg let us have a group hug sing Kumbayah, listen to the fans and give them a better game"? No it is vastly more likely they will just give Bioware the double tap

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

remydat wrote...

Like I said before, I sure hope all the people upset stick to their guns and don't buy ME4. Hopefully that means the ME4 message boards will not have 12 threads a day about how people hate the game.

you are wishing for a dangerous thing. You think if ME4 sells poorly EA is gonna go "omg let us have a group hug sing Kumbayah, listen to the fans and give them a better game"? No it is vastly more likely they will just give Bioware the double tap

I don't think Bio gets liquidated unless DA3 tanks too. But bad sales for ME4 would doom ME, sure.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 mai 2013 - 06:02 .

[crimzontearz]

indeed...hence why I see ME becoming a pure shooter now

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

indeed...hence why I see ME becoming a pure shooter now

Because making it a pure shooter will magically spike sales?

[Auld Wulf]

I'm with Phatose on this. At this point it's arguing for the sake of arguing. The trilogy is done with, for better (in my opinion) or worse. Let it rest, move on, and find things which are more applicable to you.

[remydat]

crimzontearz wrote...

you are wishing for a dangerous thing. You think if ME4 sells poorly EA is gonna go "omg let us have a group hug sing Kumbayah, listen to the fans and give them a better game"? No it is vastly more likely they will just give Bioware the double tap

That's really not my problem though.  As long a I like ME4, how much it sells matters very little to me.  I am not a shareholder of EA so I don't get any money from it.  And I don't see it tanking to the point of being unprofitable anyways because even if everyone who hated ME3 doesn't buy ME4, they will likely be replaced by new customers especially if ME4 is one of the early games on a Next Gen console.

So yeah if it makes the ME4 boards a little less cluttered with doom and gloom then I am all for people who complain about it to put their money where their mouth is and to not buy.

Modifié par remydat, 11 mai 2013 - 07:14 .

[dreamgazer]

A reminder: ME3 has sold just as many copies as ME1 has to date, and has already come close to meeting ME2's overall sales (gauging by 360's units moved).

Modifié par dreamgazer, 11 mai 2013 - 07:23 .

[Bizinha]

remydat wrote...

Like I said before, I sure hope all the people upset stick to their guns and don't buy ME4. Hopefully that means the ME4 message boards will not have 12 threads a day about how people hate the game.

Hope your wish come true. 

A reminder: ME3 has sold just as many copies as ME1 has to date, and has already come close to meeting ME2's overall sales (gauging by 360's units moved).

Pre-orders? Well , ME2 is still the best-selling of franchise.

http://www.vgchartz....ame=mass effect

Modifié par Bizinha, 11 mai 2013 - 07:29 .

[remydat]

dreamgazer wrote...

A reminder: ME3 has sold just as many copies as ME1 has to date, and has already come close to meeting ME2's overall sales (gauging by 360's units moved).

At the end of the day whether Bioware is right and the naysayers are just a vocal minority will be proven by sales of ME4.  People like to complain especially on the internet so the only way to prove this one way or another is by expressing your displeasure with your money.  I welcome the naysayers to do so and we will see how the numbers on ME4 shakes out.  I think they will be in for a rude awakening when ME4 and life goes on without them.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

indeed...hence why I see ME becoming a pure shooter now

Because making it a pure shooter will magically spike sales?

because the team behind ME4 is responsible for omega

because in an interview it was implied that the devs do not see why the next ME should not be something other than an RPG

because in another interview another dev said we will get the same "ingredients" as the other ME games but in different quantities

because I do not trust EA

because shooter DO sell more

Modifié par crimzontearz, 11 mai 2013 - 07:34 .

[AlexMBrennan]

you are wishing for a dangerous thing. You think if ME4 sells poorly EA is gonna go "omg let us have a group hug sing Kumbayah, listen to the fans and give them a better game"? No it is vastly more likely they will just give Bioware the double tap

So? Am I now obliged to keep buying bad Bioware games indefinitely because they once made a decent one ages ago? Sure, EA shutting down Bioware would be unfortunate but the alternative - to keep paying them anyway will cost me more without getting me any more fun games.

On the other hand if Casey did lose his job then it might at least discourage dishonest business practices (e.g. colonial marines if you want an egregious example). As long as sheeple like you keep buying games anyway because otherwise the EVULZ EA will shut down your favourite developer there is no reason for them to focus on, you know, making a good game than a polished press demo.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, you guys lose me when you get on about people getting canned because of "this".

Modifié par dreamgazer, 11 mai 2013 - 08:35 .

[crimzontearz]

All in all I do not wish for anyone to lose their job but EA does not take kindly to failure...look what happened to riccitello.

Furthermore, as much as do not wish Mac and Casey to lose their jobs there SHOULD be repercussions for failures and mishandlings of things....like being removed from a position of influence and put back in the rank and file

[KingZayd]

Optimystic_X wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

At this point, I'm going to have to hear really good things about the next game they make before I buy it. Certainly no preorder.

I dislike the practice of preordering in general (Jimquisition did a great episode on this topic btw) but if this debacle forces them to sweeten the preorder pot even more I'm all for it.

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And they've already lost me.

Then leave already :innocent:

I don't preorder games often, but I did for ME3, having loved the previous 2 games (okay technically I preordered it the night before release because there was a decent deal), as well as Dragon Age: Origins and KOTOR (so all the bioware games I'd played before)

Any future Bioware purchases will be dependent on great reviews and good sale prices.

[GimmeDaGun]

Ah, here it goes again... I'm absolutely fine with the ending of the trilogy. Actually I like it. So an ending like this wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. Sorry for you... but ranting won't change anything.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 11 mai 2013 - 09:42 .

[spamtrash]

EntropicAngel wrote...

spamtrash wrote...

If there was anything I got out of the Ending controversy, ME meant something different for each person.

For me the series was about Shepard and the ME universe and its characters.

The Reapers? I stopped being scared of those glorified Borg-wannabe cuttlefish the moment Sov died.

That's the problem: people are interpreting something that isn't THEIRS how they want to, instead of how the authors interpreted or rather created it.

Once an author releases something for public consumption, the author's intrepretation doesn't matter. Especially in a game like ME with different ways to play, act,do etc the author's intrepetation will be "lost".

[ThinkSharp]

If the creators intend one thing and a large percentage of the audience interprets it in an unintended way, blame does in fact fall in part on the creators. They need to do a convincing job. They failed to convince. If the creator leaves the meaning/end of their work up for speculation and speculation goes far awry from what they ever wished or dreamed, it's a consequence of their set-up.

However, it is still their work. For an audience to be outraged because they believe they have a personal right to have things happen exactly how they wanted/dreamed is ridiculous. But they do have a right to critique and pick apart something they believe is awful or fails to work. They also have a right to never buy anything from the creator ever again.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 11 mai 2013 - 11:40 .

[Megaton_Hope]

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah, you guys lose me when you get on about people getting canned because of "this".

I'd rather people realize what they did wrong this time and do better the next time, myself. Getting fired wouldn't teach them any lessons.