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[Mastone]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I believe in creative freedom. If they decide to create something, then they should do it their way, in their own terms. If it appeals to people, then it's a good thing, but if people happen to dislike what they do, well, then they have to face the consequences of it. That's how it goes. You take responsibility for what you create. But it's always the artist who should create: it's always the artist's call, not the consumers'.

In this regard (also), I respect Casey, Mac and the rest of those people who created their own game with guts and that they still dare to be proud of it, not matter the backlash. It's their baby.

ME fans are a bit too dedicated and enthusiastic, I even dare to say that they feel entitled in a way. They tend to forget that ME is not theirs, but the artists' who invested their mental, physical, psychical and creative energies and capacity into creating and producing it. The fans only enjoy (or hate) the result of the hard work. Fans only enjoy the flavour of the fruit which was grown with care by others, but never really touched the tree itself. So ME is their creation, they can do whatever they want with it. If they screw it up (for some or many), it's their right to do so. And I support that over fans' demands. ... the only thing a dissappointed fan can do is: vote with his or her wallet and ranting on forums. That's how it should be.

I am getting sick of that word..artists, they simply aren't artists they are craftsmen who are hired to deliver a product
And saying people are entitled when they complain about the fact that nearly everything in ME3 was rushed, broken or simply moneygrabbing is a bit below the belt.
You say that they are proud of their product and I beg to differ, sure they stand behind what they have created, but that is more because of the fact that they represent a company and a high grossing productline.
Have you ever heard a software representative say that the update to their software is a bit lame, or that the design of the new car is not so good or a moviestar saying his coworkers sucked and it is the worst movie ever made?
I bet you haven't all of them try to create this wave of enthusiasm so people buy their sh*t.

I think that if you ask a random artist that has worked on ME in private what he thinks about the product  they in general don't like the whole thing very much

[Morlath]

Mastone wrote...
I am getting sick of that word..artists, they simply aren't artists they are craftsmen who are hired to deliver a product

Hired by the development company, not by us the players.

And saying people are entitled when they complain about the fact that nearly everything in ME3 was rushed, broken or simply moneygrabbing is a bit below the belt.

And that's your extreme opinion but it's an opinion that doesn't speak for everyone.

I think that if you ask a random artist that has worked on ME in private what he thinks about the product  they in general don't like the whole thing very much

And that can only be known if someone talks to the person and not by a disgruntled player putting words in their mouths.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The ending is great.

[spirosz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending is great.

Subjective. 

[Ryzaki]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

PS: I now do that with movies too. I have not had the chance to watch Iron Man 3 yet but you can bet I know how it ends in great detail.

Huh. That's ... a little extreme, but more power to you.

what is the difference really? It is a franchise I like very much and I do not feel like walking out feeling like I

A: wasted 15$

B: should not watch the other movies again because all I would feel would be regret

When does that mentality simply move to all fiction, just so you're never disappointed with a lackluster ending?

I do that.

Heck one of the first things I do when picking out a book is switch to the last chapter.

[Morlath]

spirosz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending is great.

Subjective. 

As is the opposite opinion that it's a terrible thing and needs to be destroyed. Only real difference is the latter scream and shout even a year later and refuse to listen to the points of the former.

Modifié par Morlath, 12 mai 2013 - 12:55 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

> Biggest fan backlash in the history of gaming

> Bioware: "It's just a vocal minority."

**** YOU BIOWARE

[spirosz]

Morlath wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending is great.

Subjective. 

As is the opposite opinion that it's a terrible thing and needs to be destroyed. Only real difference is the latter scream and shout even a year later and refuse to listen to the points of the former.

Or...

the latter doesn't scream and shout and has understands both sides of the argument, but still rejects the premise of the endings and finds them poorly executed.  

[Morlath]

spirosz wrote...

Or...

the latter doesn't scream and shout and has understands both sides of the argument, but still rejects the premise of the endings and finds them poorly executed.  

And there are some who do this. However they're put into a very poor light but the more vocal aspect of the anti-ending groups.

[spirosz]

You're being too picky, there are plenty of good people (who know how to argue) on both sides, but most like to point out the minor more vocal ones and generalize.

Modifié par spirosz, 12 mai 2013 - 01:06 .

[Morlath]

spirosz wrote...

You're being too picky, there are plenty of good people (who know how to argue) on both sides, but most like to point out the minor more vocal ones and generalize.

No I'm not. I appreciate the those who hate the ending and I even understand it.

What gets exhausting are the extremes on both sides who don't listen. The extremes on the anti-ending side that try to turn as much of the franchise faults into weapons to attack the developers and the company professionally and personally while also attacking anyone who disagrees. The pro-enders can be just as back in their support, although I'd suspect a lot of that (excluding trolls) is attempting to meet fire with fire.

[008Zulu]

Yeah, I'm gonna suspend my embargo on spoilers for anything from Bioware. Like I've said; I get that Shepard had to die so they could move forward with Mass Effect, but I don't like how they killed her. Suicide by enemy commander? How's that work.

[Bowhunter4L]

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

[Seival]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

I'm so sick of this ending for Mass Effect 3. This is the greatest game series in my history of gaming with the worst ending as well. Bioware, if you ever make another game that's from the Mass effect universe I'll gladly buy it...but if you ever pull some crap like this again. You wont only lose me as a loyal fan but everyone else. I don't know if you guys even read these complaints anymore but whoever decided that this ending was the answer has lost everything that mattered in the ME universe. Choices...survival...closure. 

Kill myself and control the nightmare...kill my friends and entire spiecies...or burn myself up in a beam to make everyone come together...wow

Sorry for yet another rant about the ending...

P.S. Miranda needs to get back on cloning duty...

Worst for you and for some other people, but not for everyone else.

I will be happy to see such endings in future BioWare games. Dragon Age III seems to be the closest new game we have, and it's also the end of the RPG trilogy. My best hope to see one more unpredictable and non-standard ending soon enough.

[SpamBot2000]

Wolvenrick wrote...

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

No, you're the one who is disrespectful to the people who want to give feedback to BioWare. If you liked the game, why the hell would you care if anyone else did? You got what you wanted, and now you are demanding complete agreement with you. Feel entitled to that, huh?

And BioWare should give a damn, that's why we are calling them. But they act like they never got the messages we left. So we have to keep at it.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 02:16 .

[Arban M]

I enjoyed Mass Effect 3 like the other two ME games. The endings in ME3 wasn't the best endings I've seen in a video game but I enjoyed the EC DLC and they did a great job with it. I think it was unnecessary to be disrespectful towards the developers and all others who loved the game. Sure you can dislike the endings or like them but insulting others for not agreeing with you, that's not ok IMO.

[Kais Endac]

If Bioware ever does this again... I would still buy their games because while I dislike the endings, the game itself is still enjoyable with some minor problems. I felt it was worth the money I paid and have two copies one on my 360 and one for the pc.

The fundamental problem with the endings for me is the fact that I have never been fond of endings with the tone that ME3 sets (tbh I would have been much happier with an expansion on the breath scene which is much to short and lacks closure) , and will usually avoid them like the plague (which means I will sometimes miss out on a good game) However these games are not to my preference.

Bioware games however have a good history with me and ending issues aside they are still some of the best I have played. So I will continue to buy their games until they move away from the themes that make their games enjoyable.

The whole ending controversy was blown way out of proportion and there was fault on both sides. The initial silence on the dev side did not help (although it was understandable) and the reaction of some players was completely out of line and made matters worse.

If a future Bioware game has endings with a similar tone to ME3 I would still buy them but it would not be to my personal tastes.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 12 mai 2013 - 03:28 .

[LinksOcarina]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

It would give me a warm sense of schadenfreude to see the next Mass Effect game, whatever it is, do well. Just so those who are outraged over something trivial continue to cry in their corners.

God, ive become such an ass in the past few months. Thank you BSN, I owe you for my transformation.

You're welcome, though I'm not sure we can take full credit here. Weren't you always vehemently anti-customer?

No, as Fast Jimmy said, anti-whiner.

[TheProtheans]

No, you're not anti customer.
You want something to do well when you have no idea as to the properties it will hold, you want it to do well regardless of the properties it will hold.

I would not call you anti customer, more like anti logic if anything.
A troll like approach to a situation, most pro-enders are trolls so it's not new.
You're a stain on humanity.
I would not even call you an ass either, more like a misguided child who got caught up on the wrong path in this big scary world.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 mai 2013 - 02:55 .

[LinksOcarina]

TheProtheans wrote...

No, you're not anti customer.
You want something to do well when you have no idea as to the properties it will hold, you want it to do well regardless of the properties it will hold.

I would not call you anti customer, more like anti logic if anything.
A troll like approach to a situation, most pro-enders are trolls so it's not new.
You're a stain on humanity.
I would not even call you an ass either, more like a misguided child who got caught up on the wrong path in this big scary world.

Anti-logic because I stayed neutral throughout  this entire situation, asking questions and pointing out the fallaciies of actual logic between people and their confirmation bias on what they see is ideal?   And that makes me a stain on humanity now too? And now i'm a mis-guided child? 

Wow...i'm not even a pro-ender, too. Thats the sad thing. I just want it to do well so people like you can shut up for a moment and enjoy a game, instead of finding bitterness and hatred in something that should be fun. 

Know what prothean, I won't even bother reporting you, I am sure someone already did for your bull****. If this is the best you got, you're not even worth replying to further. So **** right off, and have a nice day, you sad, lonely little piece of ****. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 12 mai 2013 - 03:10 .

[TheProtheans]

LinksOcarina wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

No, you're not anti customer.
You want something to do well when you have no idea as to the properties it will hold, you want it to do well regardless of the properties it will hold.

I would not call you anti customer, more like anti logic if anything.
A troll like approach to a situation, most pro-enders are trolls so it's not new.
You're a stain on humanity.
I would not even call you an ass either, more like a misguided child who got caught up on the wrong path in this big scary world.

Anti-logic because I stayed neutral throughout  this entire situation, asking questions and pointing out the fallaciies of actual logic between people and their confirmation bias on what they see is ideal?   And that makes me a stain on humanity now too? And now i'm a mis-guided child? 

Wow...i'm not even a pro-ender, too. Thats the sad thing. I just want it to do well so people like you can shut up for a moment and enjoy a game, instead of finding bitterness and hatred in something that should be fun. 

Know what prothean, I won't even bother reporting you, I am sure someone already did for your bull****. If this is the best you got, you're not even worth replying to further. So **** right off, and have a nice day, you sad, lonely little piece of ****. 

I'm enjoying all the games I wanna enjoy but I'm not going to go on a silly anti logic spree making all kinds of stupid statements that are completely and utterly spiteful.
You're a stain because you're spiteful.
It takes someone really twisted to be that spiteful and I am disappointed that humanity has spiteful people like you in our ranks.

You won't report me because you know I am telling the truth.
I however will be reporting you for name calling and using dirty language that is highly inappropriate.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 mai 2013 - 03:29 .

[commander root657]

Seival wrote...

Creature0fHabit wrote...

I'm so sick of this ending for Mass Effect 3. This is the greatest game series in my history of gaming with the worst ending as well. Bioware, if you ever make another game that's from the Mass effect universe I'll gladly buy it...but if you ever pull some crap like this again. You wont only lose me as a loyal fan but everyone else. I don't know if you guys even read these complaints anymore but whoever decided that this ending was the answer has lost everything that mattered in the ME universe. Choices...survival...closure. 

Kill myself and control the nightmare...kill my friends and entire spiecies...or burn myself up in a beam to make everyone come together...wow

Sorry for yet another rant about the ending...

P.S. Miranda needs to get back on cloning duty...

Worst for you and for some other people, but not for everyone else.

I will be happy to see such endings in future BioWare games. Dragon Age III seems to be the closest new game we have, and it's also the end of the RPG trilogy. My best hope to see one more unpredictable and non-standard ending soon enough.

you atually want poorly-written endings that fly in the face of the previous games in the series and don't take into account any specific choices? Or do you mean you want endings with a similar mood?

[Ledgend1221]

It's objective that these endings are bad.
Saying otherwise is wrong.

[GimmeDaGun]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

It's objective that these endings are bad.
Saying otherwise is wrong.

How about this: It's objective that you are wrong... 

I hope you get that the joke is on you.


...people use this word so easily to enforce their opinion, or those who think alike. 

[GimmeDaGun]

Mastone wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I believe in creative freedom. If they decide to create something, then they should do it their way, in their own terms. If it appeals to people, then it's a good thing, but if people happen to dislike what they do, well, then they have to face the consequences of it. That's how it goes. You take responsibility for what you create. But it's always the artist who should create: it's always the artist's call, not the consumers'.

In this regard (also), I respect Casey, Mac and the rest of those people who created their own game with guts and that they still dare to be proud of it, not matter the backlash. It's their baby.

ME fans are a bit too dedicated and enthusiastic, I even dare to say that they feel entitled in a way. They tend to forget that ME is not theirs, but the artists' who invested their mental, physical, psychical and creative energies and capacity into creating and producing it. The fans only enjoy (or hate) the result of the hard work. Fans only enjoy the flavour of the fruit which was grown with care by others, but never really touched the tree itself. So ME is their creation, they can do whatever they want with it. If they screw it up (for some or many), it's their right to do so. And I support that over fans' demands. ... the only thing a dissappointed fan can do is: vote with his or her wallet and ranting on forums. That's how it should be.

I am getting sick of that word..artists, they simply aren't artists they are craftsmen who are hired to deliver a product
And saying people are entitled when they complain about the fact that nearly everything in ME3 was rushed, broken or simply moneygrabbing is a bit below the belt.
You say that they are proud of their product and I beg to differ, sure they stand behind what they have created, but that is more because of the fact that they represent a company and a high grossing productline.
Have you ever heard a software representative say that the update to their software is a bit lame, or that the design of the new car is not so good or a moviestar saying his coworkers sucked and it is the worst movie ever made?
I bet you haven't all of them try to create this wave of enthusiasm so people buy their sh*t.

I think that if you ask a random artist that has worked on ME in private what he thinks about the product  they in general don't like the whole thing very much

There are way too many assupmtions in your answer, but fine. It's not art certainly, in the sense as fine art is, but it is a creative product of gifted writers, designers etc., so it is "art" in a way. Have you heard of creative freedom?

These guys created something together, some of them were hired, but many of them had been there from the beginning (Casey, Walters etc.). ME, the whole universe, Shepard and his story, the characters and so and so forth are all their creative products. It's their art. Unfortunately there's no better word for it. They did not solely create these games to please people, they did it, because they loved doing it, it is their creation. You can't please everyone, and it's clear that they wanted to tell a story their way and not the way many people expected it. 

I understand your resentment and hatred for the ending, but at least respect the fact that they did what they aimed to do, because they liked it that way: the fact that they created something which they shared with others and certainly made a profit of. 

As for ME3 being rushed. It's a huge - I mean huge - game. You could polish it for years, but even then it wouldn't be perfect. I personally don't see why it is more rushed than the previous two. It's just fine. And believe it or not - I don't care whether it is a minority or majority - many, many people like the game and it's ending. You're not one of them.  I'm one of them. I got my money's worth out of it, it seems you don't feel that way. Yeah, bad for you and good for me I guess. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 12 mai 2013 - 04:47 .