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[GimmeDaGun]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Wolvenrick wrote...

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

No, you're the one who is disrespectful to the people who want to give feedback to BioWare. If you liked the game, why the hell would you care if anyone else did? You got what you wanted, and now you are demanding complete agreement with you. Feel entitled to that, huh?

And BioWare should give a damn, that's why we are calling them. But they act like they never got the messages we left. So we have to keep at it.

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price. 

And this whole "you are disrespectful" thing is stupid. Everybody has an opinion, and people usually want to see other people's opinion to be in line with theirs. It's a human thing. You and I are no different. That's why people keep arguing. We are all different.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 12 mai 2013 - 05:05 .

[crimzontearz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Wolvenrick wrote...

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

No, you're the one who is disrespectful to the people who want to give feedback to BioWare. If you liked the game, why the hell would you care if anyone else did? You got what you wanted, and now you are demanding complete agreement with you. Feel entitled to that, huh?

And BioWare should give a damn, that's why we are calling them. But they act like they never got the messages we left. So we have to keep at it.

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price. 

And this whole "you are disrespectful" thing is stupid. Everybody has an opinion, and people usually want to see other people's opinion to be in line with theirs. It's a human thing. You and I are no different. That's why people keep arguing. We are different.

just a thought.....the EC is not how they intended the story to end.....just saying


neither is the original ending to a degree but I digress

[PsyrenY]

Mastone wrote...


Well although I do not share the protheans view that pro enders are anti customer, I do hope that all these "pro-enders" realise that when you buy their next game you approve the way Bioware is doing business.

Of course I know this; whatever missteps they've made, Bioware very much deserves my custom. No other games immerse me and take risks the way theirs do. Whether its catering to minorities (equally-voiced female protagonist, customizable ethnicity, s/s romance content), developing the most engaging combat system I've seen in an RPG yet, being open to multiplayer (and actually executing on it well), and, above all, dealing with the pissiest fanbase I've seen since Blizzard's. 

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

PS: I now do that with movies too. I have not had the chance to watch Iron Man 3 yet but you can bet I know how it ends in great detail.

Huh. That's ... a little extreme, but more power to you.

what is the difference really? It is a franchise I like very much and I do not feel like walking out feeling like I

A: wasted 15$

B: should not watch the other movies again because all I would feel would be regret

When does that mentality simply move to all fiction, just so you're never disappointed with a lackluster ending?

I do that.

Heck one of the first things I do when picking out a book is switch to the last chapter.

I've walked away from authors and never read a word by them again for writing terrible endings to series.

[GimmeDaGun]

crimzontearz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Wolvenrick wrote...

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

No, you're the one who is disrespectful to the people who want to give feedback to BioWare. If you liked the game, why the hell would you care if anyone else did? You got what you wanted, and now you are demanding complete agreement with you. Feel entitled to that, huh?

And BioWare should give a damn, that's why we are calling them. But they act like they never got the messages we left. So we have to keep at it.

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price. 

And this whole "you are disrespectful" thing is stupid. Everybody has an opinion, and people usually want to see other people's opinion to be in line with theirs. It's a human thing. You and I are no different. That's why people keep arguing. We are different.

just a thought.....the EC is not how they intended the story to end.....just saying


neither is the original ending to a degree but I digress

That's why I say that there was the EC as a reaction to fans' demands. They changed the tone and many details about the ending, yet it's still the same ending, since you could easily interpret the vanilla ending the way it is presented in the EC.

Yes, Mac intended to create a total apocalypse, making the whole story into a mistical legend of the "brave new world" where interstellar travel is not possible anymore (except for the control and synthesis endings).

I don't know of any other endings. Yeah, there were concepts of a dark enegy story line and a different ending decision and sacrafice scenario, but they never used that. People would hate that too for sure.

[Bowhunter4L]

Oh I agree to that but also take in consideration just recently the thread that got locked down about Casey Hudson. It was like they were head hunting him for crying out loud lol. Look I don't have all the time in the world to play games, hell I have kids and work. I'm lucky if I can play for 3-4 hrs. So I appreciate that time. So I don't complain about every detail of a game. With that said I posted about pretty much every thread in ME 3. And in a way it's true people say they'll never buy anything from BW again, so why then hang around BSN and rip on the fans that post threads about liking the game. IMO yes it has gotten so blown up over a damn game? It's pathetic in my eyes . You can disagree but alot of it goes over the line.

[Mad-Hamlet]

DarkNova50 wrote...

Don't speak for everybody. I personally despise the endings, but plenty of people seem okay with them.

Yes well, plenty of people seem okay with Twilight too, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to breed.

[GimmeDaGun]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Mastone wrote...


Well although I do not share the protheans view that pro enders are anti customer, I do hope that all these "pro-enders" realise that when you buy their next game you approve the way Bioware is doing business.

Of course I know this; whatever missteps they've made, Bioware very much deserves my custom. No other games immerse me and take risks the way theirs do. Whether its catering to minorities (equally-voiced female protagonist, customizable ethnicity, s/s romance content), developing the most engaging combat system I've seen in an RPG yet, being open to multiplayer (and actually executing on it well), and, above all, dealing with the pissiest fanbase I've seen since Blizzard's. 

It's so funny... being a die-hard Metallica fan, I see that the  the same bs is going on in the Metallica Bulletin Boards. "If you're a true fan, you don't buy their next album, 'cause I think what they do now sucks... objectively of course".  But the question always remains: And what if I genuienly like what you think "objectively" sucks? 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 12 mai 2013 - 05:20 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Wolvenrick wrote...

Oh I agree to that but also take in consideration just recently the thread that got locked down about Casey Hudson. It was like they were head hunting him for crying out loud lol. Look I don't have all the time in the world to play games, hell I have kids and work. I'm lucky if I can play for 3-4 hrs. So I appreciate that time. So I don't complain about every detail of a game. With that said I posted about pretty much every thread in ME 3. And in a way it's true people say they'll never buy anything from BW again, so why then hang around BSN and rip on the fans that post threads about liking the game. IMO yes it has gotten so blown up over a damn game? It's pathetic in my eyes . You can disagree but alot of it goes over the line.

Good, I think I found someone here whom I can agree with... and treats ME as it should be treated: a fine game. 

There are people who take ME and all issues related to it a "bit" too seriously. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 12 mai 2013 - 05:22 .

[crimzontearz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Wolvenrick wrote...

I for one loved the game and no ME3 is not my life as such I treat it for a escape for a time from RL. But I have a question for all the haters saying they'll never buy a BW product again , blah , blah. Then why the hell are ya still on BSN. Yes I know people expect to get there money's worth for a product, but damn you don't have to cut down and be extremely disrespectful to the developers and to the fans who enjoyed the game.people like you don't make BSN fun. And heres a old saying " here's a dime call someone who gives a damn"

No, you're the one who is disrespectful to the people who want to give feedback to BioWare. If you liked the game, why the hell would you care if anyone else did? You got what you wanted, and now you are demanding complete agreement with you. Feel entitled to that, huh?

And BioWare should give a damn, that's why we are calling them. But they act like they never got the messages we left. So we have to keep at it.

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price. 

And this whole "you are disrespectful" thing is stupid. Everybody has an opinion, and people usually want to see other people's opinion to be in line with theirs. It's a human thing. You and I are no different. That's why people keep arguing. We are different.

just a thought.....the EC is not how they intended the story to end.....just saying


neither is the original ending to a degree but I digress

That's why I say that there was the EC as a reaction to fans' demands. They changed the tone and many details about the ending, yet it's still the same ending, since you could easily interpret the vanilla ending the way it is presented in the EC.

Yes, Mac intended to create a total apocalypse, making the whole story into a mistical legend of the "brave new world" where interstellar travel is not possible anymore (except for the control and synthesis endings).

I don't know of any other endings. Yeah, there were concepts of a dark enegy story line and a different ending decision and sacrafice scenario, but they never used that. People would hate that too for sure.

Casey and Preston pushed for a non sacrificial option in this scenario but Mac decided to go artsy....result was a plot holes ridden thing (yes I have a dev quote about it)

they chose to change the ending to meet the fans tastes....but not enough to actually please most, I call that idiotic, and all over a bruised artistic ego

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Yup, EC, which basically told everyone who didn't like the endings "You're wrong" and tried to make them "happier" by showing societies rebuilding with your chosen war crime as the foundation.  Yay I guess.

And that's not even counting the trolling we got with the refuse option.

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price.

"Yeah we screwed you out of a satisfying conclusion for your Shepard, but we're still friends, right?

Don't forget to buy our next Mass Effect game!"

I actually liked Citadel, but I would never have purchased it without MEHEM. 

[PsyrenY]

iakus wrote...

I've walked away from authors and never read a word by them again for writing terrible endings to series.

This is your prerogative of course, but for myself, I'm in it for the journey as much as the destination. If I pick up an author, am absolutely blown away by the first 20 chapters of their 21-chapter book, and the last one disappoints me, I'll be upset - but then I'll think back on all the enjoyment I got out of those 20 chapters and move on. As for their next book, that's another 20 good chapters to look forward to even if the end isn't what I expect.

And honestly I think Bioware was/is in an unenviable position. No matter what they did in ME3's ending, it was an ending, and so guaranteed to ****** somebody off.

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

Yup, EC, which basically told everyone who didn't like the endings "You're wrong" and tried to make them "happier" by showing societies rebuilding with your chosen war crime as the foundation.  Yay I guess.

And that's not even counting the trolling we got with the refuse option.

Plus there's a complete fan service dlc for all the ME-geeks. Not my personal favorite for sure, but they gave their most hardcorest of fans a huge love package full of ME-ism for a reasonable price.

"Yeah we screwed you out of a satisfying conclusion for your Shepard, but we're still friends, right?

Don't forget to buy our next Mass Effect game!"

I actually liked Citadel, but I would never have purchased it without MEHEM. 

I envy you buddy

[MegaSovereign]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Mastone wrote...


Well although I do not share the protheans view that pro enders are anti customer, I do hope that all these "pro-enders" realise that when you buy their next game you approve the way Bioware is doing business.

Of course I know this; whatever missteps they've made, Bioware very much deserves my custom. No other games immerse me and take risks the way theirs do. Whether its catering to minorities (equally-voiced female protagonist, customizable ethnicity, s/s romance content), developing the most engaging combat system I've seen in an RPG yet, being open to multiplayer (and actually executing on it well), and, above all, dealing with the pissiest fanbase I've seen since Blizzard's. 

Kind of strange to say but I'm getting the impression that not everyone who visits BSN frequently is a fan. I think there are quite a few people who are fixated on this game's forum as a means of escapism, similar to how playing the game itself provides a means of escapism.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Casey and Preston pushed for a non sacrificial option in this scenario but Mac decided to go artsy....result was a plot holes ridden thing (yes I have a dev quote about it)

Please share.  And from a legitimiate source. 

they chose to change the ending to meet the fans tastes....but not enough to actually please most, I call that idiotic, and all over a bruised artistic ego

https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Not saying you're any more or less correct about the content itself (through my eyes, it's a mix of band-aids and new problems), but that's what a moderately substantial poll shows.

[crimzontearz]

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

I've walked away from authors and never read a word by them again for writing terrible endings to series.

This is your prerogative of course, but for myself, I'm in it for the journey as much as the destination. If I pick up an author, am absolutely blown away by the first 20 chapters of their 21-chapter book, and the last one disappoints me, I'll be upset - but then I'll think back on all the enjoyment I got out of those 20 chapters and move on. As for their next book, that's another 20 good chapters to look forward to even if the end isn't what I expect.

And honestly I think Bioware was/is in an unenviable position. No matter what they did in ME3's ending, it was an ending, and so guaranteed to ****** somebody off.

Marta Bragadin was a student at my junior high school, she died hit by a driver who passed the bus that was letting her home from school after a field trip....

the field trip was awesome, I guess it was worth the following weeks of coma and her death afterward, especially since the school after named one of the music trophies they hand out for city competitions after her

yep, journey > destination....totally....NOT

[Iakus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

I've walked away from authors and never read a word by them again for writing terrible endings to series.

This is your prerogative of course, but for myself, I'm in it for the journey as much as the destination. If I pick up an author, am absolutely blown away by the first 20 chapters of their 21-chapter book, and the last one disappoints me, I'll be upset - but then I'll think back on all the enjoyment I got out of those 20 chapters and move on. As for their next book, that's another 20 good chapters to look forward to even if the end isn't what I expect.

And honestly I think Bioware was/is in an unenviable position. No matter what they did in ME3's ending, it was an ending, and so guaranteed to ****** somebody off.

That's just it, thogh

The destination is still part of the journey

If I can't trust the author to complete the journey, to finish the job, why should I spend time and money on it?  Why should I reread a story that's just going to remind me how awful it ended?   Why should I trust this won't happen again?

And now Bioware is in a similar situation with me:  Why should I trust them again?  Why should I get invested in another character when they can just do this again and again tell me "you just don't get it" or "your opinion doesn't matter"?

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Kind of strange to say but I'm getting the impression that not everyone who visits BSN frequently is a fan. I think there are quite a few people who are fixated on this game's forum as a means of escapism, similar to how playing the game itself provides a means of escapism.

You're just now figuring this out?

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Casey and Preston pushed for a non sacrificial option in this scenario but Mac decided to go artsy....result was a plot holes ridden thing (yes I have a dev quote about it)

Please share.  And from a legitimiate source. 

they chose to change the ending to meet the fans tastes....but not enough to actually please most, I call that idiotic, and all over a bruised artistic ego

https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Not saying you're any more or less correct about the content itself (through my eyes, it's a mix of band-aids and new problems), but that's what a moderately substantial poll shows.

Brenon Holmes
07:08 PM 2012-03-05 Hmm... well - we'll have to wait and see them. I'm pretty sure there's a fourth ending, but I was only tangentially involved in a lot of those discussions - so I'm not 100% sure about it .

(maybe it got cut for some reason and I didn't hear about it?)

I don't want to get people's hopes up is all.

I know Preston and Casey wanted a "happy" ending.


and



Brenon Holmes
11:29 PM 2012-03-05 The 4th one that was being talked about was a happier ending where Shepard lives, everything was going to be relatively positive. No messianic sacrifice stuff,




also as you know other polls say different things

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

I've walked away from authors and never read a word by them again for writing terrible endings to series.

This is your prerogative of course, but for myself, I'm in it for the journey as much as the destination. If I pick up an author, am absolutely blown away by the first 20 chapters of their 21-chapter book, and the last one disappoints me, I'll be upset - but then I'll think back on all the enjoyment I got out of those 20 chapters and move on. As for their next book, that's another 20 good chapters to look forward to even if the end isn't what I expect.

And honestly I think Bioware was/is in an unenviable position. No matter what they did in ME3's ending, it was an ending, and so guaranteed to ****** somebody off.

That's just it, thogh

The destination is still part of the journey

If I can't trust the author to complete the journey, to finish the job, why should I spend time and money on it?  Why should I reread a story that's just going to remind me how awful it ended?   Why should I trust this won't happen again?

And now Bioware is in a similar situation with me:  Why should I trust them again?  Why should I get invested in another character when they can just do this again and again tell me "you just don't get it" or "your opinion doesn't matter"?

Because it's a videogame and the consequence of taking such "risks" are trivial at best.

Also, you don't have to trust them or buy any of their games. If you think they messed up that bad, then it's perfectly reasonable to drop them off your radar.

[SpamBot2000]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

They got it: they made the EC for free... there you go. But, if you slightly take yourself seriously you can't expect them to do as other people demand them to. Why would they change the ending for you, if that's how they meant the ending of the story they tell to be?

No, they never stated that they understand that people hate the ending because they see it as a loss, a forced suicide and something that doesn't make any sense with the rest of the story, invalidating ME1 etc.

I want to see them acknowledge the substance of the criticism. They could still claim it is a "misunderstanding", but I want to see them understand what it is we feel was wrong with it. There is no "lesson learned" without that. I feel I need to repeat this stuff until I'm sure they get it.

As for "disrespect", you notice that was in response to a post attacking people who are critical of the ending. I don't usually go out of my way to attack people who state they liked it without adding some toxic **** about "whiners" or "butthurt" or whatever new putdown they learned in the playground that week. But I sure as hell get picked on a lot by people who should be damn happy to have a game that they like so much, for daring to disagree with them. If you have no tolerance for diverging opinions, maybe you shouldn't be reading the feedback meant for BioWare. Because this is the damn BW feedback channel. This is it, of all the internet. And I prefer to do this through the proper channels, not by yelling at people on Tweetybyrd or whatever.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 05:42 .

[PsyrenY]

crimzontearz wrote...

Marta Bragadin was a student at my junior high school, she died hit by a driver who passed the bus that was letting her home from school after a field trip....

I knew someone would chime in with the tired "death at the end" analogy.

No, the ending of a book or story is not comparable to the loss of human life. If you think it is, you have serious issues you need to work out with a therapist.

dreamgazer wrote...


https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 12 mai 2013 - 05:43 .

[spirosz]

I guess I'm more of the minority in the sense that, I dislike the game as a whole, compared to ME1 and 2, regardless of ME3's ending - there are too many flaws, specifically in the vanilla version.

[crimzontearz]

Optimystic_X wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Marta Bragadin was a student at my junior high school, she died hit by a driver who passed the bus that was letting her home from school after a field trip....

I knew someone would chime in with the tired "death at the end" analogy.

No, the ending of a book or story is not comparable to the loss of human life. If you think it is, you have serious issues you need to work out with a therapist.

you said Journey>ending...so now it is only in fictional literature?

other concepts do not count? BULL****, simple as that

Modifié par crimzontearz, 12 mai 2013 - 05:46 .

[PsyrenY]

crimzontearz wrote...

you said Journey>ending...so not it is only in fictional literature?

Clearly you can see the differences between a novel and a bus crash followed by coma?
(At least, I hope you can )