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[MegaSovereign]

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Kind of strange to say but I'm getting the impression that not everyone who visits BSN frequently is a fan. I think there are quite a few people who are fixated on this game's forum as a means of escapism, similar to how playing the game itself provides a means of escapism.

You're just now figuring this out?

Dude, I'm a sloth. Being slow is kind of my thing.

[dreamgazer]

Optimystic_X wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

In terms of that topic, sure. But let's not assume that a poll about reactions to the EC reflects on all issues brought up about minorities and majorities (which, in any case, really doesn't matter anymore anyway). 

[crimzontearz]

Optimystic_X wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you said Journey>ending...so not it is only in fictional literature?

Clearly you can see the differences between a novel and a bus crash followed by coma?
(At least, I hope you can )

objectively under a purely material point of view (fictional characters are not real) sure...conceptually tho? no, Journey>destination is to be taken without the real/fiction qualifier or it means nothing



destroying the get should not make you feel bad even if you believe they are alive because, well, they do not exist


let us extend that to any character of any story then because.....they do not exist

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

Expectations doesn't always mean favorable

[TheProtheans]

I remember that poll, that is the poll that has no definitive meaning to any of the options.

Such as the answer I gave for picking the top option ages ago
I was expecting it to be crap, it exceeded my expectations by being even crapper.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 mai 2013 - 05:53 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

You know I voted in that, I voted that it met my expectation. I expected it to not fix the issue and I wasn't wrong. The phrase you're looking for is misleading results.

[SpamBot2000]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...
Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

You know I voted in that, I voted that it met my expectation. I expected it to not fix the issue and I wasn't wrong. The phrase you're looking for is misleading results.

Or "Misleading poll question leading to results used in a misleading way."

[PsyrenY]

Greylycantrope wrote...

You know I voted in that, I voted that it met my expectation. I expected it to not fix the issue and I wasn't wrong. The phrase you're looking for is misleading results.

Even with that possibility - "Exceeded" being the largest group by far is a loooooong way away from BSN polls on the subject. So again, I have no reason to consider BSN the be-all and end-all for anything.

[SpamBot2000]

Well, BSN is the only place where you see people actually worshipping the Reapers as gods.

Tbh, I'd like to see a BW reaction to that as well. Not everyone gets to start an apocalyptic space n.azi religion.

If only there were real journalists working the game industry beat.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 06:14 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Optimystic_X wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


https://www.facebook...36509146424475/

Yet another non-BSN poll (with a far, far larger sample size) showing very favorable reactions to the EC. As expected.

That vocal minority gets smaller by the day.

Yes, I checked my facebook vote. I remember. I was expecting it to be pure crap. It met my expectations. I voted accordingly. The original ending lowered the bar so far that a pile of dog crap would have been an improvement. They also kept saying they were not making any changes to the ending; they were only clarifying what they ending meant because us cretins couldn't understand the meaning behind the colored explosions on our screen in the original ending.

These are the numbers Bioware has. So vocal minority? I've worked in marketing. It all depends upon how one phrases the question and how the question is interpreted by the person responding. Then the results always get spun in a favorable manner to management by the marketing department because that is their job if they want to keep it.

[Mastone]

Morlath wrote...
Hired by the development company, not by us the players.

And to whom do development companies deliver?...the player
I am not saying that they should cater to everyones need and whims..just deliver a decent product

Morlath wrote...
And that's your extreme opinion but it's an opinion that doesn't speak for everyone.

The opinion is not that extreme and yes you are right it is only my opinion.
I find it  a bit strange that you put extreme in front of it:
- Tali's face ---> Photoshopped from a stock image
- Eavesdropping in Citadel to get quests ( instead of dialoque)
- The whole game being on rails( there is no point in  ME3 where you determine an outcome)
- Very few dialoque options
- Day one DLC
- strange non canon ending
And I think there are a lot more, which I simply forgot about, that's not having an extreme opinion, merely an opinion based on factual observations, now I understand that people who are still fan of the series don't see it that way and I respect that , but please try to keep an open mind to people who clearly don't like it as much ( anymore)

Morlath wrote...
And that can only be known if someone talks to the person and not by a disgruntled player putting words in their mouths.

I was not talking about a specific person, I am talking about the difference between what people say on behalf of their company and what they think privately

Modifié par Mastone, 12 mai 2013 - 06:14 .

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, BSN is the only place where you see people actually worshipping the Reapers as gods.

Tbh, I'd like to see a BW reaction to that as well. Not everyone gets to start an apocalyptic space n.azi religion.

I've only seen one and he gets ridiculed repeatedly. A lot more people who post frequently on the S&C have anti-Bioware predispositions.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, BSN is the only place where you see people actually worshipping the Reapers as gods.

Tbh, I'd like to see a BW reaction to that as well. Not everyone gets to start an apocalyptic space n.azi religion.

I've only seen one and he gets ridiculed repeatedly. A lot more people who post frequently on the S&C have anti-Bioware predispositions.

I should freaking hope so!

But there was another point there, namely that BSN reflects the core fan base. The biggest ME3 lovers are here, as well as those who feel most betrayed. The people here are not some random "haters". They are the ones who loved BW's games.

Personally, I was a huge fanboy from 2000 when I bought Baldur's Gate + Tales of the Sword Coast up to when I reached the Decision Fork in ME3 in June 2012. Yes, I was late. For various reasons.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 06:23 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Even with that possibility - "Exceeded" being the largest group by far is a loooooong way away from BSN polls on the subject. So again, I have no reason to consider BSN the be-all and end-all for anything.

A long way? We have around 7500 exeeded and 6900 in most expectations that's hardly a land slide victory, given the sample size and the scued question phrasing.

Not to say that BSN polls are objective mind you but your substitute isn't  much of a substitute.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 mai 2013 - 06:27 .

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, BSN is the only place where you see people actually worshipping the Reapers as gods.

Tbh, I'd like to see a BW reaction to that as well. Not everyone gets to start an apocalyptic space n.azi religion.

I've only seen one and he gets ridiculed repeatedly. A lot more people who post frequently on the S&C have anti-Bioware predispositions.

I should freaking hope so!

But there was another point there, namely that BSN reflects the core fan base. The biggest ME3 lovers are here, as well as those who feel most betrayed.

Yes, all twelve of us who still post here represent their fan base.

No, I don't believe that at all. Yes, BSN comprises of those who are passionate about their love or hate of the game but there are those who are in the middle. The middle ground is always the biggest, and it's not necessarily reflected by the polarizing nature of BSN.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 mai 2013 - 06:25 .

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

No, I don't believe that at all. Yes, BSN compromises of those who are passionate about their love or hate of the game but there are those who are in the middle. The middle ground is always the biggest, and it's not necessarily reflected by the polarizing nature of BSN.

Maybe so, but it's hardly fair to assume some "anti-BioWare predisposition" for people on BSN. If some are angry, it's because they feel betrayed. The disposition is not a "pre-" one, rather a post-disposition.

I've yet to post anything on any other game's forum. Because I don't feel so strongly about any of them. Some have been great and some have sucked. But this one actually hurt me. People say that's silly, but it's true. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 06:31 .

[MegaSovereign]

...and the result of that betrayal is anti-Bioware predisposition. It's not an unfair statement at all. If people didn't want to give that impression then they need to either be less emotional or more articulate. I don't think it's a communication issue, so therefore I believe their message is genuine.

[Mastone]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

remydat wrote...

Like I said before, I sure hope all the people upset stick to their guns and don't buy ME4. Hopefully that means the ME4 message boards will not have 12 threads a day about how people hate the game.

you are wishing for a dangerous thing. You think if ME4 sells poorly EA is gonna go "omg let us have a group hug sing Kumbayah, listen to the fans and give them a better game"? No it is vastly more likely they will just give Bioware the double tap

I don't think Bio gets liquidated unless DA3 tanks too. But bad sales for ME4 would doom ME, sure.

Well I think the main thing at this point is that Bioware is selling games on their name alone, which in the  olden days"was more than sufficient to sell a whole lot of games since the games always were of quality , with the failing  and  pure focus on generating money ( my opinion...could be very extreme for some of course) of their last installments across all of their franchises on a creative level have shook a number of players up and they are now critically evaluating what Bioware is doing..

I think they are on very thin ice at this point, the people from EA don't see the failing of Bioware as of yet, since even though the last games ( DA:2, ME3 and KOTOR online) have failed creatively ( yes again my - extreme- opinion) this has not shown in profit declines ( except for maybe KOTOR online) since a lot of people ( including me) had blindly pre ordered their latest game.
I have a feeling that if they continue down this path, profits will drop and  EA will close down a couple of Bioware locations and if it keeps failing it will close Bioware down permanently.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

...and the result of that betrayal is anti-Bioware predisposition. It's not an unfair statement at all. If people didn't want to give that impression then they need to either be less emotional or more articulate. I don't think it's a communication issue, so therefore I believe their message is genuine.

Like I edited the above, not a PREdisposition. A disposition. POST, if anything.

"Predisposition" would imply coming to the work with a hostile mindset. That's certainly not true for me. The hostility resulted from the work. And the reaction to the criticism.

Sweet Shepard, that was awful. Entertainment Weekly reported the massive disappointment as "the biggest fan reaction in the history of video games". And BioWare saw fit to make that, their fan's heartbreak, into a banner advertisement for the game. The mind doth boggle.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 12 mai 2013 - 06:39 .

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

...and the result of that betrayal is anti-Bioware predisposition. It's not an unfair statement at all. If people didn't want to give that impression then they need to either be less emotional or more articulate. I don't think it's a communication issue, so therefore I believe their message is genuine.

While a lot of the posts have been loaded with emotion, there have been more than a few well articulated and reasonable posts we have gathered around.  Particularly from posters like 3dandbeyond and Drayfish. 

Of course, repeated trollings, insults, and condescension have taken their toll on a lot of us as well.  I'm not to proud to admit my own temper wears thin at times.

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

...and the result of that betrayal is anti-Bioware predisposition. It's not an unfair statement at all. If people didn't want to give that impression then they need to either be less emotional or more articulate. I don't think it's a communication issue, so therefore I believe their message is genuine.

Like I edited the above, not a PREdisposition. A disposition. POST, if anything.

"Predisposition" would imply coming to the work with a hostile mindset. That's certainly not true for me. The hostility resulted from the work.

Yes, there is a hostile mindset towards anything Bioware produces after a certain controversy. You can make the argument that this actually started with DA2 and not ME3. People can develop predispositions...you don't get it at birth.

[PsyrenY]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, BSN is the only place where you see people actually worshipping the Reapers as gods.

Eh, the only person I've see even come close to that is Seival, and even that's a stretch.

No, BSN is indeed skewed, but by far it is in the other direction.

Greylycantrope wrote...

A long way? We have around 7500 exeeded and 6900 in most expectations that's hardly a land slide victory, given the sample size and the scued question phrasing.

I meant "the largest group viewed the EC positively" is something you will never see on BSN. And the second largest may include negatives, but it certainly includes positives as well.

And honestly, if you naysayers wanted to convey your dissatisfaction yet willingly chose the option you knew that Bioware could spin the easiest, you only have yourselves to blame for any possible skew in the poll. 

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 12 mai 2013 - 06:43 .

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, there is a hostile mindset towards anything Bioware produces after a certain controversy. You can make the argument that this actually started with DA2 and not ME3. People can develop predispositions...you don't get it at birth.

Well, now I do have a hostile predisposition toward their forthcoming products. But not when I played ME3. Didn't get to DA2, or even DA1, before that. Needed a new PC. And now I never will.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

You know I voted in that, I voted that it met my expectation. I expected it to not fix the issue and I wasn't wrong. The phrase you're looking for is misleading results.

Even with that possibility - "Exceeded" being the largest group by far is a loooooong way away from BSN polls on the subject. So again, I have no reason to consider BSN the be-all and end-all for anything.

How many polls on BSN have you seen try to use Exceeded Expectations to determine a subject?

[HiddenInWar]

MegaSovereign is a sloth?

I feel slightly betrayed.