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[iOnlySignIn]

Let me see.

Nightshade Blades > Homing Grenades.

Poison Strike > Sentry Turret.

Biotic Focus > Sabotage.

Cabal Passives > Saboteur Passives.

Cabal Dodge > Saboteur Dodge.

Cabal Self-Synergy > Saboteur Self-Synergy.

You know why Palaven was taken by the Reapers? Saboteur. 

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 11 mai 2013 - 01:09 .

[Ultimate Pheer]

it's funny you claim that The Cabal is the worst kit in the game when we have salarian engineers.

And why don't DOT classes have a place in the game?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Amusingthree93 wrote...

Makai81 wrote...

The Cabal is a very good Vanguard.  Besides we all know hands down what the worst kit ever is:

Sacrilege! This heretic shall be ceremonially set on fire and his Harrier and Black widow be added to my account.

I claim all his Crusader levels.

[TNT1991]

Dexus Disaster wrote...

All hail the best ME3MP Kit.

 

[Ultimate Pheer]

All hail one of the two sentinels I DON'T HAVE! YAY

[DHKany]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Let me see.

Nightshade Blades > Homing Grenades.

Poison Strike > Sentry Turret.

Biotic Focus > Sabotage.

Cabal Passives > Saboteur Passives.

Cabal Dodge > Saboteur Dodge.

Cabal Self-Synergy > Saboteur Self-Synergy.

You know why Palaven was taken by the Reapers? Saboteur. 

Being better than the saboteur is not that hard. 

[sr2josh]

IamZAE wrote...

Makai81 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

The Cabal is a very good Vanguard.  Besides we all know hands down what the worst kit ever is:

You are truly, and sincerely, ephing retarded. Why don't you learn how to play the kit before you cast judgement, then you will learn the talon mercenary is an absolute BEAST who can easily carry platinum if you have the skill to stay alive, and I do mean EASILY carry platinum.

Reported.

[OniGanon]

d_nought wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
1) I've used it off host on Platinum and I haven't encountered too many problems, seems to be the same issue as with the Fury and Slayer, with the lag delaying their teleport dodge.

Wanna see how bad it is on the average PC PUG host?

Granted, I live in Perth, Western Australia, one of the most isolated cities in the world, but I can play this class fine with people from NSW/QLD ~4000km (2500mi) away, and even people from pacific US sometimes.

But PC PUG hosts are really just awful. I used to only play off host when the game was popular, but now that it's not, I almost never PUG off host.

I'm in Adelaide, South Australia so I'm in much the same boat as you.

I always PUG, never host and I've never really had a problem with Cabal's dodging. Poison Strike might cause rubberbanding strangeness on maybe a quarter of the hosts I get, if used out in the open. Used from hard cover, it pretty much always works fine even on laggy hosts.

When searching for a match, cancel the search if your loading screen doesn't come up within 4 seconds. That usually excludes you from most of the super laggy games. And of course just leave the lobby with extreme haste if you see a european tag on the end of the host's name (eg _RUS or _GER).

[Arkemedis]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

All hail one of the two sentinels I DON'T HAVE! YAY

Talon merc.
A sentinel.
Shiggy muh diggy.

Modifié par Dexus Disaster, 11 mai 2013 - 01:26 .

[Leonia]

I feel so, so sorry for the Russians that end up in my games. Generally stick to hosting when grabbing PUGs or letting another Aussie host, lag can be lethal for almost any class though having alternative avenues of escape like the teleport melee skill do come in handy. PS is used more often for getting out of trouble than getting into it. Double Dash is a true lifesaver.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 mai 2013 - 01:30 .

[Ultimate Pheer]

Dexus Disaster wrote...

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

All hail one of the two sentinels I DON'T HAVE! YAY

Talon merc.
A sentinel.
Shiggy muh diggy.

Not the talon, the paladin.

[billy the squid]

Fortack wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

She's a good kit, easily usable on Platinum without too much trouble. Makes Pizza delivery objectives laughably easy. But, she's not up there with the best Soldiers and Vanguards. She's got one foot in one camp and one in the other, but doesn't do either of them as well as the best of each class.

She's actually one of weakest kits for Platinum b/c she severely lacks in both power and weapon damage, and has no defuffs or power combo potential. All Soldiers laugh at her DPS, as do most Vanguards (and most other kits for that matter). Zapping through walls is cool and all (but nothing unique and map dependant), besides, mobility doesn't kill stuff and those who know how to play don't really need it anyway.

Good idea, poor execution.

She's really dependant on your weapons. I have a Hurricane and Talon 8-10, same with the Wraith, Harrier etc so I'm obviously going to have a much easier time of things, than someone with lower lvl weapons. NSB, can do 2k damage in one hit so they're not terrible, actually very useful vs Phantoms, but vs lolgoons, they suffer and aren't as good as the Batarian's BB and Inferno grenades IMO. Yet power combos aren't such an issue , especially on Platinum as so many tagets have power immunity bubble, or the stupit swarms, unless you're running a tech or biotic squad, in which case the sheer number of detonations renders power immunity moot. 

If we're talking most other kits. Well of course soldiers have better DPS, they're meant to. I'd rate her above the likes of the Turian engineer, Vorcha, Salarin (especially after the ED and decoy nerfs) on a par with the standard Humn engineer and the QFE, Sentinels depends, power build Human, detonations are nice, but they're not going to take down a trget fast enough. In which case it's going to be Warp and weapons which cause damage. And if you've got higher lvl ones you'd be better off. Batarian Sentinel? poor class all round. 

Infiltrators, we won't even go there. While Vanguards, I think she's certainly easier to use than the Phoenix and isn't hurt by lag to the same degree. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 11 mai 2013 - 01:34 .

[DragonRacer]

While I am not a S.P.E.C.T.R.E., hopefully they won't mind me using the most fitting image that comes to my mind in regards to this topic.

Everybody else has already covered the Cabal's good points, since I was late to the party...

tetsutsuru wrote...

The Turian Cabal is the dumbest kit ever introduced into ME3MP. Period.

[FlowCytometry]

teleports, BF, quick on-host PS detonations, and turian passives make her mid-tier at best.

melee build w/ scanner is fun w/ her, though, even if its not the most effective thing around.

Dumbest kit introduced is the one that got 2 pets after pets were handicapped, has a non-damaging ability that ya can troll weapon users with, and took up a spot on the roster better left to a Salarian kit that we should have (but never) got.

[Deerber]

Fortack wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

She's a good kit, easily usable on Platinum without too much trouble. Makes Pizza delivery objectives laughably easy. But, she's not up there with the best Soldiers and Vanguards. She's got one foot in one camp and one in the other, but doesn't do either of them as well as the best of each class.

She's actually one of weakest kits for Platinum b/c she severely lacks in both power and weapon damage, and has no defuffs or power combo potential. All Soldiers laugh at her DPS, as do most Vanguards (and most other kits for that matter). Zapping through walls is cool and all (but nothing unique and map dependant), besides, mobility doesn't kill stuff and those who know how to play don't really need it anyway.

Good idea, poor execution.

Hey man, if we get to play some games together one of these days, and you're ok with me hosting (hopefully it won't be like the last time, I think I had internet problems at the time), I can play her and... Well, she's not bad at all in my opinion 

[TMB903]

One of the few kits I'd love to be able to 6/6/6/6/6 with. I enjoy her...but I *can* see where you are coming from. Her mobility is unmatched though...AND she gets the juicy Turian weapon passives.

[Ultimate Pheer]

This flame war... please me...

Continue...

[Iron Star]

Don't use poison strike.

Biotic focus is an amazing way to stay alive, and continue firing when even the more tankier classes would have to fall back.

Nightshade blades are (mostly) used as burst damage. Great to use when the enemy is too close for your tastes. They instantly kill most of the grunt-type enemies (husks, abominations, cannibals, geth troopers, cerberus troopers etc.)

I agree that the normal melee is kinda rubbish (it doesn't even give you points for the melee damage challenge), but heavy melee is pretty good. Good at escaping incoming instantkillers aswell.

Best passives in the game.

Side/back/forwardstep is amongst the best in the entire game.

Turian female is the coolest-looking character in the entire game.

Turian cabals are perfectly platinum viable.

Modifié par Get fired up, 11 mai 2013 - 02:57 .

[Master-Steel]

peddroelmz wrote...

some might go as far as to call it the best melee kit in the game.. Surely the must fun to play for me ...

08:39 Wave 3 melee killing spree ..

BSN thread

Cabal melee build

lol geth scanner + biotic focus = death to eyes

[Fortack]

billy the squid wrote...

She's really dependant on your weapons. I have a Hurricane and Talon 8-10, same with the Wraith, Harrier etc so I'm obviously going to have a much easier time of things, than someone with lower lvl weapons. NSB, can do 2k damage in one hit so they're not terrible, actually very useful vs Phantoms, but vs lolgoons, they suffer and aren't as good as the Batarian's BB and Inferno grenades IMO. Yet power combos aren't such an issue , especially on Platinum as so many tagets have power immunity bubble, or the stupit swarms, unless you're running a tech or biotic squad, in which case the sheer number of detonations renders power immunity moot. 

If we're talking most other kits. Well of course soldiers have better DPS, they're meant to. I'd rate her above the likes of the Turian engineer, Vorcha, Salarin (especially after the ED and decoy nerfs) on a par with the standard Humn engineer and the QFE, Sentinels depends, power build Human, detonations are nice, but they're not going to take down a trget fast enough. In which case it's going to be Warp and weapons which cause damage. And if you've got higher lvl ones you'd be better off. Batarian Sentinel? poor class all round. 

Infiltrators, we won't even go there. While Vanguards, I think she's certainly easier to use than the Phoenix and isn't hurt by lag to the same degree.

Platinum is the real problem here, the Cabal is a great kit for Gold (and below). To be good on Platinum a kit needs high DPS which requires weapon damage boosting powers, grenades and/or debuffs. Although the Cabal does have "grenades", they are really lacking against armor which is what a lot of enemies on Platinum use as their health bar.

Any kit with a biotic power that can prime enemies will deal a lot more weapon damage with Warp Ammo. Stuff like Cryo Blast, P-/R Mines, Tactical Scan also boost weapon damage way beyond the small extra weapon damage bonus she can get out of her passive (stuff like Charge and Havoc Strike also have the option to get a 25% weapon damage bonus). Powers like Warp and Incinerate (which a lot of kits have at their disposal) can be used with Incendiary Ammo for ridiculous effects.

Obviously there are worse kits to bring into a Plat game, but the Cabal simply lacks the DPS to compete with 2/3 of all available kits out there. Personally I would have liked her DoT poison tricks to debuff enemies granting a 15-25% damage bonus for the poison duration. That would make her better on Plat (and bosses in general), would increase the incentive to use her poison attacks more often, and make her a better teamplayer since everyone else can reap the benefits, yet it wouldn't make her anywhere near OP.

Another thing she lacks is a quick stagger ability (like Throw, Cryo Blast, or CS). I find those extremely useful for weapon dependent CQC characters esp since they don't punish you for using heavy weight weaponry. They're also great for spamming fire or tech combos with the right ammo for extra damage and AoE CC. The Cabal has a lot of potential and is a ton of fun to play on Gold (esp against Cerberus) but she could be a lot better with a couple tweaks. A semi-missed-opportunity IMO.

Deerber wrote...

Hey man, if we get to play some games together one of these days, and you're ok with me hosting (hopefully it
won't be like the last time, I think I had internet problems at the time), I can play her and... Well, she's not bad at all in my opinion [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Definitely We still have to make those Reaper bastards pay for teaming up with Origin to defeat our FQE run!

[FlowCytometry]

Fortack wrote...

Another thing she lacks is a quick stagger ability (like Throw, Cryo Blast, or CS). I find those extremely useful for weapon dependent CQC characters esp since they don't punish you for using the claymore

fixed for what you meant to say

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 11 mai 2013 - 03:09 .

[Uh Cold]

l2p

[Deerber]

Fortack wrote...

Definitely We still have to make those Reaper bastards pay for teaming up with Origin to defeat our FQE run!

So true. We need to teach them a lesson they won't forget 

[mumba]

Dexus Disaster wrote...
All hail the best ME3MP Kit.

Yes, lets