278 réponses à ce sujet

[Leland Gaunt]

Makai81 wrote...
The Cabal is a very good Vanguard.  Besides we all know hands down what the worst kit ever is:

WOOOOOOOOT??? What is this, I don't even... WOOOOOOOOOOT???
Please tell me you're not serious...

[Fortack]

FlowCytometry wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Another thing she lacks is a quick stagger ability (like Throw, Cryo Blast, or CS). I find those extremely useful for weapon dependent CQC characters esp since they don't punish you for using the claymore

fixed for what you meant to say

WWRRAAHH!!! My Asari therapist helped improve my diplomatic skills to avoid derailing threads into Claymore worshipping and then this Pyjak ruins it all

[ToaOrka]

You definitely need to learn to play.

[han shot shepard]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Alright, leonia42, a shotgun then. What do you suggest? Please don't say "Reegar", as that's not helping the Cabal's case (as the lolReegar benefits any kit).

The PIRAHNA...It's light, even with the Omni blade, so spam your biotic focus and melee everything, nightshade blades are decent enough for an opener against Dragoons, Phantoms Marauders, Captains, Melee, shoot if you absolutely need to.  Teleport around the map.

The Cabal with the Geth scanner, is THE most fun melee kit for me. IMO, I consider the Turian Saboteur the worst kit, but even he isn't that bad.

[billy the squid]

I played with Mance, Megabeast and Slimjim on Hydra Platinum. Despite the number of missiles flying about and spawn nuking going on, I was still able to keep up well enough, even with a sub par build I was using. (power passives and a Harrier >.< bad combination)

As I said the DPS is based on weapons. I'm lucky enough to have some high lvl URs so I may get more use out of her, but to me her mobility with poison strike, the invincibility frames and spammable nature of BF with NSB (I always go explosive, the enhanced blades aren't worth it IMO) screams run and gun shotgun build.

I'm also not arguing the issue of armour. I specifically said, NSB don't do as well vs Dragoons, or lolgoons as I like to call them. Hence I use a Talon with AP IV ammo vs armour, that's why the Turian stability and weapons damage passives are so important, especially if you plan to take a Raider or similar high recoil weapon. While Havoc strike itself is pretty meh. I go for the Cryoblast build. As to Cryo blast itself, and other powers you mention, mooks can and will dodge them, NSB's paralytic ability is more useful when you're up close with a shotgun and the proverbial crap hits the fan, and the animation for NSB isn't exactly slow either.

I agree that a debuff for NSB would have made her a lot better, especially vs armour. But it's not exactly difficult to compensate for with an ammo or mod, which most people will be using for Platinum anyway. So the warp armour weakening, Cryoblast weakening etc. are moot if you're packing AP ammo.

If we're talking about the melee build, then yes it's a lot of fun to play, but it's a Gold, rather than Platinum build. What I'm talking about is her ability to hold her own on Platinum well enough. The BF, PS and mobility is simply to hit and run, it does work, but it's very specific to certain builds and weapon combos, to inflict a lot of damage very fast and get out.

Modifié par billy the squid, 11 mai 2013 - 03:40 .

[FlowCytometry]

Fortack wrote...

FlowCytometry wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Another thing she lacks is a quick stagger ability (like Throw, Cryo Blast, or CS). I find those extremely useful for weapon dependent CQC characters esp since they don't punish you for using the claymore

fixed for what you meant to say

WWRRAAHH!!! My Asari therapist helped improve my diplomatic skills to avoid derailing threads into Claymore worshipping and then this Pyjak ruins it all

its okay, just imagine my avatar is that of a varren and it'll all be better

[MaxShine]

Really, when a kit is more difficult to figure out than the GI/TGI/TSol or Fury it has to be dumbest kit ever

[ToLazy4Name]

Dexus Disaster wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

1. You're an idiot who should l2p

2. Volus are not support kits.

I was with you at first but then..

Volus are not support kits.

wat

Edit: Volus engineer is an exception.

They're not support kits. If you think they are, please explain why. Then, take a look at the link in my signature. 

[Terminator Force]

And here I thought the Cabal seemed like the most interesting and in depth characters introduced with the latest DLC and maybe even overall? Instead of the one dimesional cookie-cutter Krogan Warlorld (Krogan SMASH!!!... and SMASH AGAIN!! AHH, HA HA!) which defies belief at how one dimesional he is and still seems to me? (Really sad more in depth characters like Cabal & Collecter weren't focused on more, you kow, for more extended replay since it was the last DLC)... Though I haven't ruled the KroLord out yet...

Of course not being a simple character means longer then normal learning curve with extra time playing as her, something OP hasn't done by stating that remark for help to finish the remaing 130 waves or so with her. So no duh OP is talking out of her ass (no offense... unless you want it. RAGE ON!).


And dam, how can anyone not simply no go ga ga over turian weapon passives?


So yeah OP, once you get bored playing with some of the more boring/simmple characters (like the Fury which seems bring and simple to me so far), come to the Cabal side.

[rcolol]

I'm sorry you can't play the Cabal..?

[KalilKareem]

ToLazy4Name 

They're not support kits. If you think they are, please explain why. Then, take a look at the link in my signature. 

You keep saying that, yet 3/4 voluses in your guide are clearly support characters by leaning heavily on debuffing and shield boost. Support does not mean bad or low damage.

[Leland Gaunt]

-Disregard please-

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 11 mai 2013 - 04:44 .

[ToLazy4Name]

KalilKareem wrote...

ToLazy4Name 

They're not support kits. If you think they are, please explain why. Then, take a look at the link in my signature. 

You keep saying that, yet 3/4 voluses in your guide are clearly support characters by leaning heavily on debuffing and shield boost. Support does not mean bad or low damage.

 - I explicitly say do NOT use Shield Boost for the benefit of your team mates. Saying it's a support power is like calling Biotic Charge or the Cabal's Biotic Shield a support power. 

 - Only one of the characters focuses on Debuff, and that's the Engineer, and if your team mates decide to shoot at them, sure, but the debuff is mainly there for YOUR enjoyment. 

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Really, when a kit is more difficult to figure out than the GI/TGI/TSol or Fury it has to be dumbest kit ever

 

It's pretty easy to figure out, even though it has a lot of play styles. NONE of them are really effective though. 

Power build is half-assed, because of bugs, low DOT Poison Strike and no debuffs from NB's

Weapons build is half-assed, because you need power recharge for BF and again no debuffs for Barriers, Shields or Armor.  

Melee build is half-assed, because she doesn't really have problems with mooks when you have NB's, she has major problems with bosses and melee is ineffective against them.

Mostly because of bugs and retarded A.I. (Atlas rockets or Brutes doing 180* during charge). But also because she's underpowered. 

AQ... It's obviously not that easy to figure out, since you didn't manage to figure out a good way to play her. And the same can be said about 9/10 of BSN, apparently.

And yes, there are good ways to play her.

[Kalas Magnus]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Dexus Disaster wrote...
All hail the best ME3MP Kit.

Yes, lets
-snip-

[Creator Limbs]

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

You are severely underestimating the 40% possible damage reduction from Biotic Focus, therefore your point is invalid.

Your point is stupid to begin with. Good day.

[ToLazy4Name]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

You are severely underestimating the 40% possible damage reduction from Biotic Focus, therefore your point is invalid.

Your point is stupid to begin with. Good day.

45%, but agreed. I don't know why people seem hell bent on taking Biotic Shield. I always go with enhanced focus.

[PureGeth]

Notice OP abandoned the thread.

[billy the squid]

Deerber wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Really, when a kit is more difficult to figure out than the GI/TGI/TSol or Fury it has to be dumbest kit ever

 

It's pretty easy to figure out, even though it has a lot of play styles. NONE of them are really effective though. 

Power build is half-assed, because of bugs, low DOT Poison Strike and no debuffs from NB's

Weapons build is half-assed, because you need power recharge for BF and again no debuffs for Barriers, Shields or Armor.  

Melee build is half-assed, because she doesn't really have problems with mooks when you have NB's, she has major problems with bosses and melee is ineffective against them.

Mostly because of bugs and retarded A.I. (Atlas rockets or Brutes doing 180* during charge). But also because she's underpowered. 

AQ... It's obviously not that easy to figure out, since you didn't manage to figure out a good way to play her. And the same can be said about 9/10 of BSN, apparently.

And yes, there are good ways to play her.

This^

I go with this build and still get NSB with the full effect of the power passives, by sticking on the power magnifier when using a Talon and Hurricane, and I still have a 124% recharge speed. Without sacrificing the Turian weapon passives, it's not exactly difficult to work out these builds.

I may consider using the Raider, Wraith, Talon in place of the Talon, in which case power amplifier mods boost the damage anyway. So, power magnifier is moot.

And is anyone going to say that a Talon, Raider, Wraith, Hurricane, Claymore is not an effective way to deal with boss armour? Which people have been pointing out she has trouble with.

[MaxShine]

Deerber wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Really, when a kit is more difficult to figure out than the GI/TGI/TSol or Fury it has to be dumbest kit ever

 

It's pretty easy to figure out, even though it has a lot of play styles. NONE of them are really effective though. 

Power build is half-assed, because of bugs, low DOT Poison Strike and no debuffs from NB's

Weapons build is half-assed, because you need power recharge for BF and again no debuffs for Barriers, Shields or Armor.  

Melee build is half-assed, because she doesn't really have problems with mooks when you have NB's, she has major problems with bosses and melee is ineffective against them.

Mostly because of bugs and retarded A.I. (Atlas rockets or Brutes doing 180* during charge). But also because she's underpowered. 

AQ... It's obviously not that easy to figure out, since you didn't manage to figure out a good way to play her. And the same can be said about 9/10 of BSN, apparently.

And yes, there are good ways to play her.

QFT

Nothing is wrong with this kit... works on Gold and Platinum, awesome weapons passive + 37.5% damage, spammable power that deals 2280 instantly and 3000+ with DOT per cast, immune to DOT effects, increased base shields, barrier recharge, cannot be flanked or surrounded... What do people want more??? This is better than most classes...

[Caldari Ghost]

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

now I know why you argue about everything.

[Caldari Ghost]

leonia42 wrote...

Oh leave the Reegar at home. Take something beefy like a Raider or a Wraith. If you're really not concerned about cooldowns and feeling confident, go for Claymore or Crusader. Honestly, you can use anything you like but it's better to take something heavy-hitting to get the most out of the Cabal. Get in, shoot, get the frak out, heal up, go back in when you can, it's crazy fun. Nothing at all like a Fury that wanders around aimlessly waiting for things to get close to her.

Another bonus to shotguns (or ARs) is that you can slap on gear like Shocktrooper or Warfighter and have some NBs to back you up when things are looking bad.

the javelin/spitfire combo works wonders on platinum/collectors, to compensate for power deduction.

[Caldari Ghost]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Look at everyone who fell for the bait...

i love your signature.

[Moby]

I leave for the night and this thread only got better.

PureGeth wrote...

Notice OP abandoned the thread.

Could've gone to sleep like I did.