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[Punisher cork]

Agreed Op. I think the TFC should have been an adept, with tested reliable powers.

[Zero132132]

Main benefits to DoT aren't actually the damage, but the delay of shield regen if you need to deal with multiple enemies. Combined with the incredible damage of Nightshade Blades, this makes them a very, very, very good power. Biotic Focus is badass too.

OP is weird.

[Baby Quarian]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Baby Quarian wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Your doing it wrong if you are using Nightshade Blades for DOT. Also Cable is very platinum viable.

This. She was my solo platinum.

NEVER said the Cabal Turial wasn't Platinum-viable.  Not at all what this thread is/was about.

Geez, BSN.  L2R.

Never said that you said she wasn't, was obviously stating something.
Geez calm your buns.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Zero132132 wrote...

Main benefits to DoT aren't actually the damage, but the delay of shield regen if you need to deal with multiple enemies. Combined with the incredible damage of Nightshade Blades, this makes them a very, very, very good power. Biotic Focus is badass too.

OP is weird.

That`s what I believe too..

but one can always argue that killing enemy faster always wins over delaying enemy regen.

[Creator Limbs]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

You are severely underestimating the 40% possible damage reduction from Biotic Focus, therefore your point is invalid.

Your point is stupid to begin with. Good day.

45%, but agreed. I don't know why people seem hell bent on taking Biotic Shield. I always go with enhanced focus.

I generally run her in survival mode. I can stare down a Geth Prime on gold and that's good enough for me.

[NuclearTech76]

I'm not sure what you want me to say OP. You make good points at times but I simply can't agree with you on this one. I don't think the Cabal is OP like a lot of kits can be but she is a great character when played as a melee or soldier build her powers synergizes well to me.

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Really, when a kit is more difficult to figure out than the GI/TGI/TSol or Fury it has to be dumbest kit ever

 

It's pretty easy to figure out, even though it has a lot of play styles. NONE of them are really effective though. 

Power build is half-assed, because of bugs, low DOT Poison Strike and no debuffs from NB's

Weapons build is half-assed, because you need power recharge for BF and again no debuffs for Barriers, Shields or Armor.  

Melee build is half-assed, because she doesn't really have problems with mooks when you have NB's, she has major problems with bosses and melee is ineffective against them.

Mostly because of bugs and retarded A.I. (Atlas rockets or Brutes doing 180* during charge). But also because she's underpowered. 

AQ... It's obviously not that easy to figure out, since you didn't manage to figure out a good way to play her. And the same can be said about 9/10 of BSN, apparently.

And yes, there are good ways to play her.

 

LOL, I score well with her. I just know that using the Drell Vanguard or Asari or Slayer or even Novaguard I will score as much or more and the game will be 5 minutes faster minimum and I will have to work 2x less. 

That much is sure. Well, maybe not for the Novaguard. Not in every situation, at least. But the others, yeah.

But now, read the part I bolded in what you said before, which is the part I was mainly refering to whit my post.

Do you really think that being a less efficient killer than the Drellgod, Assguard, Slayer or Novaguard means that a kit is underpowered? Do you really think that?

I have to hope you don't. And I do believe you don't.

I also have a good respect for you as a player and I'm fairly sure I don't have to teach you how to play her.

Therefore my conclusion is that you're just butthurt over the fact that she might have been even better.

And mind you, I understand you, I would have loved a kit with a high skill ceiling and very high potential too. I was a bit disappointed too. But we've gotta move on.

Now, try to judge things objectively and you'll see that she's not bad at all. She's just worse than the best characters in the game, but that does not mean she's bad.

[SilentStep79]

um...
no she isn't.

[MGW7]

You don't want to use PS to close on the enemy, it is more or less the opposit of BC, it hurts enemies close to your start point, but dosn't extend this damage it's full length,
I recement using her heavy melee as the "biotic charge" followed by poison strike to hit said enemy again and creating distance between you and staggering them, if they arn't already killed outright they will have the dot to finish them, unless it is a boss for obvious reasons,

I run a 3/6/6/6/5 build on her

1. tried using more evolved PS, but the issue is that the only world changing evos are rank 6, so if you don't invest a full 15 pionts you don't benefit,

2. NSB is quite powerful in it's own right, but the biggest pro is that it staggers everything in front of you, so I took exploding blades to stagger them all a second time, the damge is nice but I don't use them to kill things, I lock them down so I can use my HM>VS combo to tear them limb from limb, also shooting or something,

3. Shield regen, while closing distance on ranged enemies it is important to be stocked up on shields, the large melee bonus is also important for the aformentioned combo, as a general rule if you end up using the whole duration fighting one group of enemies, it is time to back off

4. Weapon bonuses, with the exeption of weight capacity, I carry the BPP to deal with the big enemies, and to ocasionaly finish off some of the weaklings,

5. melee martial artist, the base shields on the character are above average so you can take melee damage without being too squishy, this lets me kill most mooks in short order,

sometimes I take the final evo in fitness over the final evo in the weapons passive

my general pattern is BF>NSBx2>(HM>VS)as neaded>BF> Rest> Rinse> Repeat

It does take a bit to learn the patern and get it down pat, but is quite fluid once established

[MaxShine]

Air Quotes wrote...
LOL, I score well with her. I just know that using the Drell Vanguard or Asari or Slayer or even Novaguard I will score as much or more and the game will be 5 minutes faster minimum and I will have to work 2x less. 

Well... if that is the only problem... then I am out... For sure it doesn't make her the dumbest kit in the history of mass effect... Playstyle is funny as hell, who cares if it takes a few minutes longer or not...

[MaxShine]

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
LOL, I score well with her. I just know that using the Drell Vanguard or Asari or Slayer or even Novaguard I will score as much or more and the game will be 5 minutes faster minimum and I will have to work 2x less. 

Well... if that is the only problem... then I am out... For sure it doesn't make her the dumbest kit in the history of mass effect... Playstyle is funny as hell, who cares if it takes a few minutes longer or not...

 

LOL. I never said she's the worst character. 

Well, ok then...  I guess we were just helping the thread to stay on the first page then, LOL:lol:

[me0120]

I don't see how having a power that restores 40% of actual shields, with no animation, and invincibility frames can be a negative. She has an advantage over all of the squishy Vanguards and that is sustained fire, which her passives mesh perfectly with. She also has the ability to lose situational awareness with almost no ill consequences.

NSB are extremely good against Phantoms since they don't force the bubble. When I was doing solos with her it was simple routine on Platinum: get close to a group, double tap NSB, and Poison Strike out of there. 1-3 dead Phantoms and almost no hassle.

[FlowCytometry]

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
LOL, I score well with her. I just know that using the Drell Vanguard or Asari or Slayer or even Novaguard I will score as much or more and the game will be 5 minutes faster minimum and I will have to work 2x less. 

Well... if that is the only problem... then I am out... For sure it doesn't make her the dumbest kit in the history of mass effect... Playstyle is funny as hell, who cares if it takes a few minutes longer or not...

 

LOL. I never said she's the worst character. 

Well, ok then...  I guess we were just helping the thread to stay on the first page then, LOL:lol:

 

Yeap.... 


Did it again... :innocent:

time for cake and/or memes and/or pyramids (and bans)

I chose cake this time, to celebrate the average-ness of the Cabal

here's to 'okay' stuff!

[Kittstalkur]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

You are severely underestimating the 40% possible damage reduction from Biotic Focus, therefore your point is invalid.

Your point is stupid to begin with. Good day.

45%, but agreed. I don't know why people seem hell bent on taking Biotic Shield. I always go with enhanced focus.

40% of all of your shields back, especially when running with a Cyclonic mod or any shield boosting gear, is worth a lot more than taking 95% damage versus 115% damage.

[ToLazy4Name]

Kittstalkur wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

And don't give me the "L2P" BSN horsecrap.  Her Powers are not rocket science to figure out how to use.  A pure-DOT kit has NO place in ME3MP.

Poison Strike:  DOT.
Nightshade Blades:  DOT.
Biotic Focus:  ONLY good for Barrier recharge to keep you alive.  It's actually the ONE good thing about her, specially on-host.
Venom Gauntlets:  DOT.

It's not at all that, "she can't kill", or "I can't kill with her".  Because I *can*.  But moreso that she's just a stupid kit for "multiplayer".  The Volus AT LEAST effectively fills the niche of a Support kit.  The Cabal Turian?  She f*cking sucks.  She doesn't even synergize with herself.

It makes me sad but, I'm giving up on her.

You are severely underestimating the 40% possible damage reduction from Biotic Focus, therefore your point is invalid.

Your point is stupid to begin with. Good day.

45%, but agreed. I don't know why people seem hell bent on taking Biotic Shield. I always go with enhanced focus.

40% of all of your shields back, especially when running with a Cyclonic mod or any shield boosting gear, is worth a lot more than taking 95% damage versus 115% damage.

The cooldown of Biotic Focus competes with that of Poison Strike, which isn't very helpful in alot of situations. Also, I don't even spec my Biotic Focus for pure DR, I spec for max movement speed. 25% Movement speed is a huge boost for survivability and objectives. 

[Daforth]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

1. You're an idiot who should l2p

2. Volus are not support kits.

Seconded! Especially point 2!

[ALTBOULI]

She is an extremely frustrating character to play imo – not sure if its just an off host issue (I normally play with someone else as the host) but Poison Strike does not seem to work at all for me. I tried to spec her as a power build with the double dash ability in power strike but I have to press the button several times for her to actually perform Poison Strike and even then it’s not always responsive.

Has anyone else had this problem with Poison Strike? I think I better respect her as a weapons platform.

[ToLazy4Name]

ALTBOULI wrote...

She is an extremely frustrating character to play imo – not sure if its just an off host issue (I normally play with someone else as the host) but Poison Strike does not seem to work at all for me. I tried to spec her as a power build with the double dash ability in power strike but I have to press the button several times for her to actually perform Poison Strike and even then it’s not always responsive.

Has anyone else had this problem with Poison Strike? I think I better respect her as a weapons platform.

Play on host, and yes, she's better off as a weapons platform. 

I use this:  http://narida.pytalh...enadeCapacity5/

Treat her like a really fast Batarian Soldier. Use the Acolyte on bosses, and everything else gets NSB + Hurricane to the face. Use PS to get out of sticky situations and to quickly traverse the map, and you can also use it to occasionally set off FEs. 

[DragonRacer]

ALTBOULI wrote...

She is an extremely frustrating character to play imo – not sure if its just an off host issue (I normally play with someone else as the host) but Poison Strike does not seem to work at all for me. I tried to spec her as a power build with the double dash ability in power strike but I have to press the button several times for her to actually perform Poison Strike and even then it’s not always responsive.

Has anyone else had this problem with Poison Strike? I think I better respect her as a weapons platform.

Are you playing on-host or off-host? Off-host, it's a lot less responsive and subject to the usual delays/frustrations any off-host Vanguard suffers.

On-host, it doesn't always hit, but 9 times out of 10 it does... for me, at least, and I have a very good, strong connection.

However, I typically only use PS to get out of dodge quickly when surrounded... or to play matador with brutes/atlases. Both bosses are very easy to PS through, turn, shoot them, then PS through them again, shoot them, rinse and repeat. Incendiary ammo is awesome for this because every time you shoot them, you set them up for a fire explosion when you PS through them.

[ALTBOULI]

Air Quotes wrote...

ALTBOULI wrote...

She is an extremely frustrating character to play imo – not sure if its just an off host issue (I normally play with someone else as the host) but Poison Strike does not seem to work at all for me. I tried to spec her as a power build with the double dash ability in power strike but I have to press the button several times for her to actually perform Poison Strike and even then it’s not always responsive.

Has anyone else had this problem with Poison Strike? I think I better respect her as a weapons platform.

 

You have to host with any Vanguard, except maybe Kroguard or Batguard. 

But even on host PS is buggy. And dodge too. 

good to know, thanks I will definitely re-spec her then.

Modifié par ALTBOULI, 11 mai 2013 - 11:08 .