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[cJohnOne]

How would you prevent the Qunari from terrorizing the oceans of thedas with their fleets with Cannons blowing things up?


  It seems to be that they have an unfair advantage.

[LinksOcarina]

If that was the case, how did Isabella essentially break even with them in a storm?

I mean, its implied they have cannons, but probably no maneuverability, which is a huge advantage on the sea.

[mousestalker]

Early artillery were not especially good for ship battles in our history. It took a couple of centuries before the Europeans got it right.

Of course, it is canon that the Qunari have larger navels than anyone else.

[Heimdall]

Also, the Thedosian navies probably have mages on their ships. I imagine that levels the scale a bit.

[LinksOcarina]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Also, the Thedosian navies probably have mages on their ships. I imagine that levels the scale a bit.

You would think the Qunari would use Saarebas in retaliation in some form.

[VanguardCharge]

in a world were wizards can make storms of lightning fire and snow while on naval battles ship cannons are equivalent of muskets

[Monica21]

cJohnOne wrote...
How would you prevent the Qunari from terrorizing the oceans of thedas with their fleets with Cannons blowing things up?
It seems to be that they have an unfair advantage.

Terrorize the oceans for what purpose, though? The Qunari have roles, and terrorizing the oceans and coastlines "just because" doesn't seem very Qun-like. 

And you don't prevent them, which is why the Tevinter use their mages.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Also, the Thedosian navies probably have mages on their ships. I imagine that levels the scale a bit.

The Tevinters probably do this. The other nations probably do as well, when the Chantry lets them have enough.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 mai 2013 - 03:40 .

[Heimdall]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Also, the Thedosian navies probably have mages on their ships. I imagine that levels the scale a bit.

You would think the Qunari would use Saarebas in retaliation in some form.

Possibly, but even still it means they're far from defenseless.

[Wulfram]

Maybe somewhat relevant bit from Codex

During the New Exalted Marches, however, the nations of Thedas found themselves in dire need of every ship they could muster against the massive power of the Qunari dreadnaughts. The Llomerryn pirates were faced with a difficult decision: band together under one flag and fight with those they had previously preyed upon or face conversion and annihilation by the Qunari. Thus the Armada was formed. The pirates brought their knowledge of stealth and trickery to bear, plaguing Qunari supply lines and even launching seaborne invasions against the Qunari coast. For a time it was said the Armada was the premier naval power of Thedas, and after the signing of the Llomerryn Accord they maintained their association rather than disband—much as others might have hoped.

[Sir JK]

The Qunari may have cannon, but what they lack is friendly ports. So their dominance over the seas is directly limited by the amount of fresh water and provisions they carry onboard.

Their primary competitor over the seas: the Felicisima Armada, has hundreds if not thousands of friendly ports and the extremely useful key to shelter by simply mentioning "qunari".

So the reason the Qunari only rule the north and the Felicisima rule everywhere else is simply because the threat of the former will let the latter get food, shelter, men and repairs wherever they wish.

[Boycott Bioware]

use mines...gather some sella petrae and drake stones, mix them somehow, put in barrels, tie them up with rocks, throw them on the sea...let them submerge enough height to reach any ship hull...or just hire some mages to ignite them using magic when the time is right

Must tell all ally ships where the safe passage or they blown up too

So Qunari or any pirate ship cannot land, or they need time to land, must clear up the mines first if they know...or maybe they use serabas to blow up all the mines, but in anyway, it slow them down

Secondly, using catapult...built more catapults along the coast...but first must measure how far the catapult can fire

Cannon is advantage for Qunari, but similar with catapult they only work on certain range

Edit : use someone to dig holes on Qunari ship hull underwater...lol

Modifié par Qistina, 12 mai 2013 - 04:42 .

[Boycott Bioware]

I give a scenario...because of Thedas is the world of magic so below tactic could work

The Qunari ships are pursuing Orlais ships, the Orlesians are already having mines somewhere along the coast. The Orlesian only need to lure the Qunari ships into a spot then ordering some Mages silently move the mines into place between the Orlesian and the Qunari, when the time is right...ignite them

Maybe it could work, maybe not...

Or, the Orlesian could throw those mines from their ships, the Qunari surely cannot avoid those mines and ram them all and explode...but that could work before the Qunari blast them into Oblivion first lol but anyway the scenario is about pursuing not engagement

If ever engaged, 1 vs 1, the cannons need to reload after each firing, what the Orlesian ship can do is to get closer, yes the ship may get destroyed, but there will be a delay before the next shots, at that time preparing some men to on board the Qunari ship. It will become 50-50 win or loose

Finally, what Orlesian can do is just ram those Qunari ships and sunk together...but if the Orlesian ship is stronger they could survive the ram...surely the ship must be designed for ram, not the medieval type of ship but Roman-Greek type of ship

Modifié par Qistina, 12 mai 2013 - 05:33 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Finally, what Orlesian can do is just ram those Qunari ships and sunk together...but if the Orlesian ship is stronger they could survive the ram...surely the ship must be designed for ram, not the medieval type of ship but Roman-Greek type of ship

I am under the impression that the Orlesian ship would be weaker. What Prosper wanted was the formula for gunpowder, but he states he would have been happy enough with Qunari ship blueprints.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 mai 2013 - 05:42 .

[Heimdall]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Finally, what Orlesian can do is just ram those Qunari ships and sunk together...but if the Orlesian ship is stronger they could survive the ram...surely the ship must be designed for ram, not the medieval type of ship but Roman-Greek type of ship

I am under the impression that the Orlesian ship would be weaker. What Prosper wanted was the formula for gunpowder, but he states he would have been happy enough with Orlesian ship blueprints.

I assume you mean Qunari, dread aughts specifically.  We're given to understand that Qunari ship construction is nothing to sneeze at.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I am under the impression that the Orlesian ship would be weaker. What Prosper wanted was the formula for gunpowder, but he states he would have been happy enough with Orlesian ship blueprints.

I assume you mean Qunari, dread aughts specifically.  We're given to understand that Qunari ship construction is nothing to sneeze at.

That, yes. (I don't think the Orlesian Duke would be interested in Orlesian blueprints...)

[Boycott Bioware]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Finally, what Orlesian can do is just ram those Qunari ships and sunk together...but if the Orlesian ship is stronger they could survive the ram...surely the ship must be designed for ram, not the medieval type of ship but Roman-Greek type of ship

I am under the impression that the Orlesian ship would be weaker. What Prosper wanted was the formula for gunpowder, but he states he would have been happy enough with Orlesian ship blueprints.

If weaker, then do not ram...just run away, use the advantage of speed...or use trick, dishonor way, pretend to surrender, then get on board Qunari ship, and sabotage from inside

I just wonder if ever...IF EVER...there will be naval warfare in Dragon Age...i want to be a Captain

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote..

If weaker, then do not ram...just run away, use the advantage of speed...or use trick, dishonor way, pretend to surrender, then get on board Qunari ship, and sabotage from inside

Yeah, the small army of giants may make that idea difficult.  Consider that all the Qunari seen in DAII are apparently from a single Dreadnought.

[BouncyFrag]

In general I'd like more info about the different navys in Thedas. Other than Hawke fleeing to Kirkwall, we haven't had much time on the sea.

[cJohnOne]

If the Dreadnoughts are that big they should have smaller support ships if they're like a regular navy.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

They have it - the Dominance. They control Par Vollen, Seheron, thne can reach as far as Rivani, Antiva, Tevinter Imperium, and down to Free Marches. The Dreadnoughts are strongest ships in the world, that's why Prosper wanted plans for them.

[cJohnOne]

I'd like to know what their ships look like and how many cannon there are and where there placed and what the cannon look like.

[garrusfan1]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Also, the Thedosian navies probably have mages on their ships. I imagine that levels the scale a bit.

You would think the Qunari would use Saarebas in retaliation in some form.

the qunari hate magic with a passion. unless I missed something in the books since I haven't read them yet that was a huge break in lore in DA2 where the qunari mages were used in battle

[The Elder King]

garrusfan1 wrote...


the qunari hate magic with a passion. unless I missed something in the books since I haven't read them yet that was a huge break in lore in DA2 where the qunari mages were used in battle

The indeed hate (or fear) magic, but mages have a role in the Qun. I remember that there were codexed mentioned that one of the two major advantages during the Exalted Marches against the Qun was that the Andrastian mages were far superior in number, which means that the qunari mages fought already centuries ago, and that codex was from DAO. There isn't any break in the lore.
Mages (called sareebas) are watched strictly by the qunari, and they have methods to stop them (as DA2 shown). They still use them in war.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 mai 2013 - 11:49 .