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[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

They say the threat is there. They never say what they're going to do about it. And if all they do is need somewhere to put their civilians, here's a good idea: In exchange for lending their fleets for use against the Reapers, the Quarians can put their civilians on an agricultural world. Really though, this is a bit of a bad idea no matter how you slice it. 17 million people suddenly put on a stretch of planet with little resources to establish themselves? Why does it have to be Rannoch? I know their's the whole deal about a symbiotic relationship with the land and diseases etc. but it's going to still take time. A lot of time. It'd be better to put them on some world like Gei Hinnom or some Turian colony that hasn't been smashed yet. The Quarians were idiotic for provoking the Geth. Why waste your military resources (and those of the Geth) on a fight that, at worst, could be held off post-war?

. No Turian colony is going to have the resources to aid millions of more refugees, in addition to their inborn symbiosis with Rannoch's ecology, as well as their inability to adapt to new conditions readily there isn't a whole lot of options besides Rannoch.  

And they didnt think it would be a waste of resources, they thought the war would be over in days, and if the Reapers had not intervened, they would have been successful.

[Sir George Parr]

The civilians on Benning. If given the choice i would have spared myself the grief of listening to their inane yammering and shot them myself.

[AlexMBrennan]

I'd say Ash constantly second-guessing Shepard's decisions or Miranda assuming that I'm OK with a terrorist XO.

No NPC is worse than Noober and his brother Neeber.

You can kill him with no loss of reputation unlike Kai...

[ThinkSharp]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

ThinkSharp wrote...

Dr. Michel.

What... she's barely in the game... either ME1 or ME3...

I prefer Michel to Hacksaw. The younger and beautiful redheaded Swiss doctor will be good eye-candy for the crew and be strong for morale. Plus Joker needs a real love interest. Accent sounds kind of cheesy (having been to Geneva a few years ago). Lastly, I like the new and fresh outlook that she gives. It's better than the pro-alliance crap I get from the old bag Hacksaw. I alreadsy have to deal with enough of the alliances BS in the game.

Plus Hacksaw gets you a few war assets.

Massive, I have to admit that I have a certain admiration for how passionate and dedicated you are about your own interpretation/motivation/headcannon of the games. I say that with absolutely no sarcasm.

But I still like poor Chakwas.

Anyway... The small bit that Michel appears is enough to drive me up a freaking wall. She's not horrible in 3, but in 1, god... If she was anything other than the perpetual damsel in distress--or sold items I actually needed--she might not annoy me as much. But, really, all that floundering helplessness...

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 13 mai 2013 - 06:56 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

They say the threat is there. They never say what they're going to do about it. And if all they do is need somewhere to put their civilians, here's a good idea: In exchange for lending their fleets for use against the Reapers, the Quarians can put their civilians on an agricultural world. Really though, this is a bit of a bad idea no matter how you slice it. 17 million people suddenly put on a stretch of planet with little resources to establish themselves? Why does it have to be Rannoch? I know their's the whole deal about a symbiotic relationship with the land and diseases etc. but it's going to still take time. A lot of time. It'd be better to put them on some world like Gei Hinnom or some Turian colony that hasn't been smashed yet. The Quarians were idiotic for provoking the Geth. Why waste your military resources (and those of the Geth) on a fight that, at worst, could be held off post-war?

. No Turian colony is going to have the resources to aid millions of more refugees, in addition to their inborn symbiosis with Rannoch's ecology, as well as their inability to adapt to new conditions readily there isn't a whole lot of options besides Rannoch.  

And they didnt think it would be a waste of resources, they thought the war would be over in days, and if the Reapers had not intervened, they would have been successful.

As I said, it's going to take a long time for them to even readjust to Rannoch. They'd be wearing their suits for a long time afterward. Years in total. I stated this. Their best bet was to stay in their suits and set up temporary camp on some world hospitable to Dextro-Amino based life. Resources are going to be an issue no matter how you slice it. Rannoch won't fix that immediately. Nothing will.

And you're basically stating the Geth should submit themselves to death. I don't think that's fair. I think the Quarians should have waited, and listened. The Geth were willing to allow them to return peacefully. And the Geth were arming themselves for war with the Reapers. The Quarians had information that the Geth were willing to co-exist. They knew the entirety of their fleet would be best served intact to use against the Reapers. And they still attacked. Heavily damaging their own fleet and the Geth fleet. I ought to have just let the Geth finish them off entirely. The Quarians would be one less pain-in-the-ass to deal with then. But I need them. And I need the Geth.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 13 mai 2013 - 06:56 .

[Steelcan]

Well the quarians didn't know that in my play through...... Just saying.

[Steelcan]

And Rannoch would have more resources available, whatever the geth have left behind and whatever they have maintained.

That right there makes their rebuilding job much easier.

Modifié par Steelcan, 13 mai 2013 - 07:03 .

[KingZayd]

Starchild

[S.A.K]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

As I said, it's going to take a long time for them to even readjust to Rannoch. They'd be wearing their suits for a long time afterward. Years in total. I stated this. Their best bet was to stay in their suits and set up temporary camp on some world hospitable to Dextro-Amino based life. Resources are going to be an issue no matter how you slice it. Rannoch won't fix that immediately. Nothing will.

And you're basically stating the Geth should submit themselves to death. I don't think that's fair. I think the Quarians should have waited, and listened. The Geth were willing to allow them to return peacefully. And the Geth were arming themselves for war with the Reapers. The Quarians had information that the Geth were willing to co-exist. They knew the entirety of their fleet would be best served intact to use against the Reapers. And they still attacked. Heavily damaging their own fleet and the Geth fleet. I ought to have just let the Geth finish them off entirely. The Quarians would be one less pain-in-the-ass to deal with then. But I need them. And I need the Geth.

Geth should have let others know that don't you think. All they were doing was killing anything approach Geth space for 300 years.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ThinkSharp wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

ThinkSharp wrote...

Dr. Michel.

What... she's barely in the game... either ME1 or ME3...

I prefer Michel to Hacksaw. The younger and beautiful redheaded Swiss doctor will be good eye-candy for the crew and be strong for morale. Plus Joker needs a real love interest. Accent sounds kind of cheesy (having been to Geneva a few years ago). Lastly, I like the new and fresh outlook that she gives. It's better than the pro-alliance crap I get from the old bag Hacksaw. I alreadsy have to deal with enough of the alliances BS in the game.

Plus Hacksaw gets you a few war assets.

Massive, I have to admit that I have a certain admiration for how passionate and dedicated you are about your own interpretation/motivation/headcannon of the games. I say that with absolutely no sarcasm.

But I still like poor Chakwas.

Anyway... The small bit that Michel appears is enough to drive me up a freaking wall. She's not horrible in 3, but in 1, god... If she was anything other than the perpetual damsel in distress--or sold items I actually needed--she might not annoy me as much. But, really, all that floundering helplessness...

The headcanon bit isn't really meant to be taken seriously by anyone but me, or anyone who finds any use of it. I mostly do that to state how I would fit a particular character, idea, or theme into my story, or just parley my general opinion on some things.

I can see where you're coming from, but even then she's still hardly in the game. And you can hardly blame her for her reaction. She's a civilian medical doctor with likely no self-defense training of any kind (that includes mental training) and a bunch of armed thugs burst in, suddenly holding her at gunpoint and are shouting at her to answer questions she legitimately doesn't know anything about. Add to the fact that Shepard and Garrus arrive and she's taken hostage and used as a human shield in a firefight. As I said, she's a civilian. 

There are a lot of things I can say, but I'll quote Zaeed: "Only two kinds of people don't lose it completely when you put a gun in their face; trained killers and psychopaths." 

As for her issue with the blackmail, once more, she's an honest civilian doctor. She really has no handle on how to deal with a situation like that. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Well the quarians didn't know that in my play through...... Just saying.

That's your problem then.

[Steelcan]

I think we should stop derailing MassivelyEffective.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Well the quarians didn't know that in my play through...... Just saying.

That's your problem then.

Well I'd say it is the Geth's problem more than anyone else's.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

And Rannoch would have more resources available, whatever the geth have left behind and whatever they have maintained.

That right there makes their rebuilding job much easier.

And do they have to risk damaging or destroying it to retake their world in an unnecessary war that outlines a lot of issues with their psychological approach?

[Khelish]

Keelah, must every thread turn into a quarian/geth debate? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

S.A.K wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

As I said, it's going to take a long time for them to even readjust to Rannoch. They'd be wearing their suits for a long time afterward. Years in total. I stated this. Their best bet was to stay in their suits and set up temporary camp on some world hospitable to Dextro-Amino based life. Resources are going to be an issue no matter how you slice it. Rannoch won't fix that immediately. Nothing will.

And you're basically stating the Geth should submit themselves to death. I don't think that's fair. I think the Quarians should have waited, and listened. The Geth were willing to allow them to return peacefully. And the Geth were arming themselves for war with the Reapers. The Quarians had information that the Geth were willing to co-exist. They knew the entirety of their fleet would be best served intact to use against the Reapers. And they still attacked. Heavily damaging their own fleet and the Geth fleet. I ought to have just let the Geth finish them off entirely. The Quarians would be one less pain-in-the-ass to deal with then. But I need them. And I need the Geth.

Geth should have let others know that don't you think. All they were doing was killing anything approach Geth space for 300 years.

You can't blame the Geth for believing, with fact stated in the game, that the Quarians will attack when they are 100% assured of victory. The Geth probably believe that every ship is a spy ship or whatever as a prelude to invasion. It's paranoia, but it's not completely unfounded. The Geth have seen that most of the organics in the galaxy are hostile to the idea of AI's. Their own experience with the Quarians reinforces that belief. The Geth believe, and to a degree justifiably so, that Organics are out to destroy them. 

[Steelcan]

So what about diplomatic ships being shot down? They would be unarmed and transmitting pleas for negotiation, yet they are destroyed....

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

So what about diplomatic ships being shot down? They would be unarmed and transmitting pleas for negotiation, yet they are destroyed....

Once more, the Geth have observed that organics try to attack when they believe they can win. Their own experience is a proof to them. Could it be seen as a trap perhaps? The Geth aren't going to wager this. They have no reason to believe that peace is what the organics want. They're open to it, but they don't believe that organics are (or those that are are in the extreme minority). As I said, it's paranoia, and not totally unfounded. 

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So what about diplomatic ships being shot down? They would be unarmed and transmitting pleas for negotiation, yet they are destroyed....

Once more, the Geth have observed that organics try to attack when they believe they can win. Their own experience is a proof to them. Could it be seen as a trap perhaps? The Geth aren't going to wager this. They have no reason to believe that peace is what the organics want. They're open to it, but they don't believe that organics are (or those that are are in the extreme minority). As I said, it's paranoia, and not totally unfounded. 

. Except for the quarians who died protecting geth, they have no reason to think its possible......?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So what about diplomatic ships being shot down? They would be unarmed and transmitting pleas for negotiation, yet they are destroyed....

Once more, the Geth have observed that organics try to attack when they believe they can win. Their own experience is a proof to them. Could it be seen as a trap perhaps? The Geth aren't going to wager this. They have no reason to believe that peace is what the organics want. They're open to it, but they don't believe that organics are (or those that are are in the extreme minority). As I said, it's paranoia, and not totally unfounded. 

. Except for the quarians who died protecting geth, they have no reason to think its possible......?

Didn't Legion also say that over time, those Quarians that were sympathetic to the Geth were treated with the same hostility and violence by the majority? The fact remains. The majority of organics are hostile to AI. This is what the Geth see. I stated that.

[d1ta]

Frankly there is no squadmate that I dislike

Some may not be love at first sight (like Ashley, Miranda and Javic) but when I take time to really listen to their story and get to know them I pretty much appreciate their character and even become a favourite.
I didn't like Ashley at the beginning because of her attitude, but as the game progresses, I become very fond of her and along with Kaidan, becomes my default team. It was difficut for me to go through Virmire. Although Ashley never survives in any of my PT (since I always romanced Kaidan) she still is one of my favourite character. I'm pretty much in the same boat with KaiserShep here, wishing that I don't have to sacrifice one to keep the other.
Miranda pretty much the same case of starting off in the wrong foot but end up being a BFF.
Javic, well.. Didn't like the guy but I can get where he's coming from and there is this bittersweet moment my Shep felt when he told her of his plans to join his old crew once the war ends. It's always sad to see a team-mate go.

So, most annoying npc for me would be Aria and Harkin.
And probably KL. But mostly Harkin and Aria.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Diana Allers

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 13 mai 2013 - 07:51 .

[Killdren88]

Bratalsyt.