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[AlanC9]

Right; there's no better option. Whatever the Crucible does, better take a chance with it than lose.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

Right; there's no better option. Whatever the Crucible does, better take a chance with it than lose.

Which is why you should really question the enemy leader who appears when you have deployed the Crucible and starts telling you that the way the thing works is for you to monkey with its functions in a suicidal way. For realz, "Ahem, I see you are trying to destroy me, so allow me to point out that you actually need to make this part of the contraption explode to make it work.... basic engineering really... so, you do that and you'll beat me and my monsters. Hey, I'm cool with that, since you're The Shepard and all... like, I have mad respect for ya. So go on, then. Shoot the tube already!"

Not blowing up the thing you are trying to use is not a "better option" than this?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 mai 2013 - 08:19 .

[Eryri]

xlegionx wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

But Shepard has no reason to think that the Crucible is even capable of Control and Synthesis. As far as he knows, it can only destroy. Therefore, he might reasonably assume that the Catalyst is merely trying to confuse him with the other two options which may be completely false, and that doing anything that the Catalyst suggests would sabotage the Crucible, kill himself, or both.

Who told him the italed bit? Last I checked, Shepard didn't know what the thing did, only that the Protheans thought it would help.

Well, based on what Liara and the people building the Crucible said, that's what Shepard thought the Crucible did: Destroy the Reapers. If the united species thought there was no plausibility to the effectiveness of the Crucible, they wouldn't have poured vast amounts of the sparce resources they had available into its construction. It is a leap of faith situation: they don't know for sure that the Crucible will work, but they see no other viable alternative

Indeed. Hacket was supervising its construction, and he certainly seemed to be under the impression that the Crucible would result in "dead Reapers". Only the Illusive Man possibly thought it might be used for something else, and Shepard and the Alliance regarded TIM as an indoctrinated maniac and weren't taking his ideas seriously. And absolutely nobody predicted Synthesis.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Optimystic_X wrote...

It isn't irrelevant. The fact that Shepard is bleeding out means that, if the Catalyst wanted you dead, it wouldn't have to interact with you at all.

You know, I'm thinking that Shepard isn't really bleeding out. We're assuming that Shepard is bleeding out. Sure Shepard's got a few busted ribs and is in some serious pain. Sure Shepard's bleeding down the arm from being shot in the shoulder. But Shepard suddenly gets better for the sprint to the swan dive, the sprint to fire the shots, has the strength to grab those control rods. And even after giving the "Braveheart speech" stands straight up. Amazing!

[Morlath]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You know, I'm thinking that Shepard isn't really bleeding out. We're assuming that Shepard is bleeding out. Sure Shepard's got a few busted ribs and is in some serious pain. Sure Shepard's bleeding down the arm from being shot in the shoulder. But Shepard suddenly gets better for the sprint to the swan dive, the sprint to fire the shots, has the strength to grab those control rods. And even after giving the "Braveheart speech" stands straight up. Amazing!

That's a good point.

I was always under the impression that the blood is actually coming from a shoulder injury (if you look at how Shepard walks it looks like a busted shoulder and him trying to support badly damaged ribs) but that it was a bad scene design that makes it look like he's got a wound in his stomach.

[Eryri]

AlanC9 wrote...

Right; there's no better option. Whatever the Crucible does, better take a chance with it than lose.

Whatever it does? If it truly is capable of reorganising matter on a galactic scale, then I'm not sure that's true. What if it misfires horribly, and disintegrates every living thing on every world? Including the undeveloped worlds that would have had at least another 50,000 years of blissfully ignorant peace before the Reapers turned their attention to them? That would be even worse than allowing this cycle to be harvested. Or what if it triggers every star to go nova and wipe out any chance of life ever reemerging in the cold dark corpse of our galaxy?

Or what if it did something like, oh I don't know, make the entire population of the galaxy lay down their arms and embrace the Reapers as friends? Unlikely though that scenario may be...

Modifié par Eryri, 17 mai 2013 - 09:53 .

[Ridwan]

To the reaper supporters: so if you were given the chance to execute a man who killed fifty children and ate them too, would you spare his life cause he was hearing voices in his head from a surgically placed transmitter or something?

[KiwiQuiche]

M25105 wrote...

To the reaper supporters: so if you were given the chance to execute a man who killed fifty children and ate them too, would you spare his life cause he was hearing voices in his head from a surgically placed transmitter or something?

The thing wrong with that analogy is that the man is not the shell housing million of liquified people. The Reapers still house their original civilization- however they are bound to the Starbrat who is bound by the fcuking retarded logic of the ****** Leviathans. They are the ones who hold most of the blame.

[Ridwan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

M25105 wrote...

To the reaper supporters: so if you were given the chance to execute a man who killed fifty children and ate them too, would you spare his life cause he was hearing voices in his head from a surgically placed transmitter or something?

The thing wrong with that analogy is that the man is not the shell housing million of liquified people. The Reapers still house their original civilization- however they are bound to the Starbrat who is bound by the fcuking retarded logic of the ****** Leviathans. They are the ones who hold most of the blame.

One more reason to execute the whole lot of them.

[AlexMBrennan]

To the reaper supporters: so if you were given the chance to execute a man who killed fifty children and ate them too, would you spare his life cause he was hearing voices in his head from a surgically placed transmitter or something?

Yes? Ever heard of the insanity defence?

Edit to add: of course that's not what's happening in the game - that would be closer to "would you kill a man to stop him from killing and eating fifty children because he has a surgically placed transmitter or something" in which case my answer would be yes - it would be greater tragedy to let him carry out the murders.

I was always under the impression that the blood is actually coming from a shoulder injury

If you have lost half your blood, does it matter from which wound?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 18 mai 2013 - 12:16 .

[KiwiQuiche]

M25105 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

M25105 wrote...

To the reaper supporters: so if you were given the chance to execute a man who killed fifty children and ate them too, would you spare his life cause he was hearing voices in his head from a surgically placed transmitter or something?

The thing wrong with that analogy is that the man is not the shell housing million of liquified people. The Reapers still house their original civilization- however they are bound to the Starbrat who is bound by the fcuking retarded logic of the ****** Leviathans. They are the ones who hold most of the blame.

One more reason to execute the whole lot of them.

Make me some calamari.