Not because I am a greedy butthole wanting stuff for free, but because the inclusion of Leviathan would have made the ending far less jaring. Which was one of it's many problems. Don't get me wrong, I was on of the few who actually liked the ending, but it was very jarring and deus ex machina like. It just didn't have to be.
Leviathan should have been included at launch.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:08
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Leviathan is the only real foreshadowing for the Intelligence so yes it should have been included in the game. You never, and I mean never introduce a new character at the end of the story unless it has been properly forshadowed
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:11
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Bizinha wrote...
From ashes too...
True story. I have to admit DLC in general is starting to get to me. It's just gets more and more annoying. So you want me to pay for DLC on day one that obviously could have been included for launch? Ok no prob I love your product. Oh you are bringing out more DLC that you want me to pay for? Ok sure I love your product. Wait, the DLC helps the story and it's ending considerably, almost to the point of making it necessary, so it should have just been included since the beginning? Well sure ok I love your product. I have to wait three days to download ALL of this because your servers suck.......&%#$ you guys I am out.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:13
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So should From Ashes.
That is why you play EA published games on PC though; to dig out the on-disc content.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:22
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I agree. Leviathan did just as much to make the endings tolerable for me as the EC, maybe even a little more. Plus, integrating it into the main game might have allowed BW to expand on the characters' reactions to learning about the Leviathans - as it is, I think they each just get a line or two.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:23
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I have no problem with DLC in general, but day one on-disc DLC is simply money-grubbing and should be illegal.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:25
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It would've helped, definitely, but the Dev team didn't really know what they were going to do with Leviathan until sometime after launch, perhaps even after the EC.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:32
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Jukaga wrote...
I have no problem with DLC in general, but day one on-disc DLC is simply money-grubbing and should be illegal.
All making it illegal would do is waste everyone's bandwidth.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:34
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Jukaga wrote...
I have no problem with DLC in general, but day one on-disc DLC is simply money-grubbing and should be illegal.
I generally don't either but when issue keep piling up I want to go crazy. Like DLC for fighters, lots don't like em, I don't mind them as long as they are not day one on disc characters (thought that has happened too already).
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:35
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AlanC9 wrote...
Jukaga wrote...
I have no problem with DLC in general, but day one on-disc DLC is simply money-grubbing and should be illegal.
All making it illegal would do is waste everyone's bandwidth.
True story, they simply wouldn't put it on disc and wait a few weeks instead. The corps will get their money.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:42
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The ending was excavated from someone's fundament (who shall remain unnamed) without peer review at the last minute. Leviathan was made up later to retroactively foreshadow a poorly-received concept, and many would argue failed to substantiate the idea of synthetic/organic conflict as unavoidable and terminal. It couldn't have been included at launch because the idea didn't exist yet.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:43
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so should Revelations........ wait wrong game
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 08:46
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haha people whine about a DLC character who should be in the main game.Look at Metro:Last Light.Hard mode DLC
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:00
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DeinonSlayer wrote...
The ending was excavated from someone's fundament (who shall remain unnamed) without peer review at the last minute. Leviathan was made up later to retroactively foreshadow a poorly-received concept, and many would argue failed to substantiate the idea of synthetic/organic conflict as unavoidable and terminal. It couldn't have been included at launch because the idea didn't exist yet.
Just cause it couldn't have been doesn't mean it shouldn't have been. I don't think the idea of synthetic/organic conflict needs to be substatiated for us the players, just that we have to be convinced that this is the "solution" the reapers came up with.
Anyway I know it couldn't have been, but it should have.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:01
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Indeed, OP. I'd have sooner relegated the Cerberus arc to DLC material than the other way around.
@Deinon, it may be true that Leviathan was a conceived after the fact, but they still needed to do *something* like it to justify the ending they had in place.
@Deinon, it may be true that Leviathan was a conceived after the fact, but they still needed to do *something* like it to justify the ending they had in place.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:07
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What missions would you have cut out for dlc in order to get from ashes and leviathan into the base game?
Modifié par Dendio1, 13 mai 2013 - 09:07 .
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:08
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DeinonSlayer wrote...
The ending was excavated from someone's fundament (who shall remain unnamed) without peer review at the last minute. Leviathan was made up later to retroactively foreshadow a poorly-received concept, and many would argue failed to substantiate the idea of synthetic/organic conflict as unavoidable and terminal. It couldn't have been included at launch because the idea didn't exist yet.
I don't agree with this as the idea was always there, fans envisioned it long ago. The Levi wasn't an afterthought, so much as filler, but was preconceived, not second hand. imho
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:09
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Dendio1 wrote...
What missions would you have cut out for dlc in order to get from ashes and leviathan into the base game?
You shouldn't have to cut out in-game content just to make DLC sales, DLCs should be legit
That's the kind of crap Metro: Last Light just pulled
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:10
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why should anyone have to 'justify' anything 'sci-fi' lol
it is a fictional universe folks.. maybe.
it is a fictional universe folks.. maybe.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:11
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AresKeith wrote...
Dendio1 wrote...
What missions would you have cut out for dlc in order to get from ashes and leviathan into the base game?
You shouldn't have to cut out in-game content just to make DLC sales, DLCs should be legit
That's the kind of crap Metro: Last Light just pulled
micro trans actions worse than synthesis..lol
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:12
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
Indeed, OP. I'd have sooner relegated the Cerberus arc to DLC material than the other way around.
@Deinon, it may be true that Leviathan was a conceived after the fact, but they still needed to do *something* like it to justify the ending they had in place.
The cerberus arc was absolutely essential for driving the plot forwards...
Cerberus arc begins at mars, continues through thessia, sanctuary and the citadel coup. The cerberus arc ends with the raiding of its main base and the revelation of catalyst.
Aside from those plot points cerberus involvement throughout the game keeps the illusive man relevant, while also adding further suspense and serving as representative for the divergent ways the universe is handling the reaper invasion. It also repeatedly foreshadows the control ending
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:14
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AresKeith wrote...
Dendio1 wrote...
What missions would you have cut out for dlc in order to get from ashes and leviathan into the base game?
You shouldn't have to cut out in-game content just to make DLC sales, DLCs should be legit
That's the kind of crap Metro: Last Light just pulled
Devs have stated that dlc is often work that they had to put off in order to get other content in.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:15
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And the DLCs for ME3 are legit.
The only thing on disc for Javik is his character model and powers. Neither the mission or any of his comments, in-squad banter, crew interaction etc are on-disc.
Which is what you could do with Kasumi in ME2.
The only thing on disc for Javik is his character model and powers. Neither the mission or any of his comments, in-squad banter, crew interaction etc are on-disc.
Which is what you could do with Kasumi in ME2.
