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[Alfonsedode]

I have to agree with the consensus on the choice of the kroguard vs. Geth as the easiest way to go for the gold solo chalenge. The build is pretty straightforward with no point on the carnage, no point for the barrier detonation, radius for the charge and durability for the last power (rage) except for the fifth rank where reducing the shield recharge delay is of no use as the idea is to use the charge for this purpose.

But I have read that a shotgun (manly the claymore/reegar) based strategy was the most efficient with level IV cyclonic and shield gear.
On my side, I was thinking to go for a melee strategy, with juggernaut shield and a level III melee bonus plus the big blade shotgun attachment. I feel like I will be doing more dps ? (Well, thinking a bit more, I feel the melee is a non efficient habit of mine)

On the other hand, for the armor bonus, I am not decided either : Power efficiency for fast charges, adernaline module or level IV cyclonic ?

Finally, for the shotgun, I am tempted by the graal for its range which is quite usefull for solo and objectives. But the reegar seem a good solution for seting up quick fire explosions among other things. I also have the impression that the 2 quick rounds raider is quite good to finish a shield after a charge and do full damage with the second one.

What do U think ? Am I missing something (like the hunters have become very tricky for the krogan melees) ?

Modifié par alfonsedode, 13 mai 2013 - 08:40 .

[Original Twigman]

... I think the krogaurd is a poor excuse to skim over challenging yourself of attempting a gold solo.

[Zero132132]

Personally, I had a better time with the Wraith than the Reegar. And yeah, going for melee isn't as bad as you might suspect. Any time you get a kill with Biotic Charge, it counts it as a melee kill, and the damage reduction from rage mode can be pretty helpful.

It's still the cheesiest way to make it through. I don't think I could ever solo gold any other way, but it's sort of a shameful thing, yeah?

[Alfonsedode]

Zero132132 wrote...

It's still the cheesiest way to make it through. I don't think I could ever solo gold any other way, but it's sort of a shameful thing, yeah?

Well, at my level (of aiming among other thing), I have to say, no build is too easy . But yeah, it's a a bit shamefull. Maybe a first step ?!

[landylan]

Reegar on glacier with cyclonic noobulator IV is definitely the easiest way. You just have to tap the trigger at a geth's face, and it's dead. Wraith might give more survivability with a higher cool down, but I doubt you have it at a high level.

[Zero132132]

alfonsedode wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

It's still the cheesiest way to make it through. I don't think I could ever solo gold any other way, but it's sort of a shameful thing, yeah?

Well, at my level (of aiming among other thing), I have to say, no build is too easy . But yeah, it's a a bit shamefull. Maybe a first step?!

Yeah, it's still kinda shameful, though. I guess it depends on whether your goal is to become a soloer, or to just get the challenge over with. If you want to do legit solos, then Kroguarding doesn't really teach you much. You don't really need to kite enemies or be overly smart about objectives, because his shields are so high and so frequently refilled that combined with the DR of Barrier (and possibly rage mode), you just don't have to be wary of enemy damage.

Most classes, you have to be careful about how you approach the battle and each objective. You have to think about the best way to deplete the wave budget, how many enemies you can handle at once, kiting them around so that you can kill them properly, kiting them away from objectives, all that good stuff.

If you want to get into more legit soloing, it might be better to start with Silver and work from there, although that might not mean much either. I can Drellguard solo Silver pretty easily, but when I tried that on Gold, the furthest I've ever gotten is wave 8. It'll give you a better idea of the strategies to adopt than just roflstomping through with a Kroguard, though, I think.

[ToLazy4Name]

Reegar, Cyclonic Mod IV, skip Carnage.

Charge into enemies, destroy their faces. It's easy as hell.

[FlowCytometry]

the main challenge of the KV solo vs. geth is not dying of boredom.

Anyways, no the melee route is less efficient (esp vs. armor), but a bit safer since you get the extra DR during heavy melee. Optimal way is w/ a Reegar and shredder or HVB mod and incendiary rounds- aim for the head w/ it and try not to waste ammo. Charge, spray, repeat. Kill bombers, drones, hunters, and pyros before primes. Then take a shower to wash the cheese off.

[Creator Limbs]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Reegar, Cyclonic Mod IV, skip Carnage.

Charge into enemies, destroy their faces. It's easy as hell.

Sometimes you say these things and I don't know if it's because you had a Batarian father or..

[ToLazy4Name]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Reegar, Cyclonic Mod IV, skip Carnage.

Charge into enemies, destroy their faces. It's easy as hell.

Sometimes you say these things and I don't know if it's because you had a Batarian father or..

wut

[Creator Limbs]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Reegar, Cyclonic Mod IV, skip Carnage.

Charge into enemies, destroy their faces. It's easy as hell.

Sometimes you say these things and I don't know if it's because you had a Batarian father or..

wut

I am disappoint.

[ISHYGDDT]

If you *are* gonna do it with the Kroguard and Reegar (for shame), at least go for the fastest time as well.

Strategy: Glacier/Geth

Start in the upper lab just behind the ammo box. Look slightly inwards. Spawns will end up occuring in the basement and maybe the end of the hallway if you **** it up.

Clear the basement (with a rocket on waves 5, 7 and 9) Go back up the stairs leading to the inside hallway, kill enemies as they enter the hallway. If you get enemies coming in from both sides go down the stairs and hold the base of the stairs in soft-cover.

On Rocket waves look around quickly to see if you can get another worthy spawn to missile, otherwise just wait until most of the wave budget is expended and cleanup the rest with a rocket.

Missile Plan:
Wave 3 cleanup: 1
Wave 5: 2-3
Wave 6 cleanup: 1
Wave 7: 1
Wave 9: 2-3
Wave 10 cleanup: 1 (pray that you don't get targets)

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 13 mai 2013 - 09:35 .

[Alfonsedode]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

If you *are* gonna do it with the Kroguard and Reegar (for shame), at least go for the fastest time as well.

Strategy: Glacier/Geth

Start in the upper lab just behind the ammo box. Look slightly inwards. Spawns will end up occuring in the basement and maybe the end of the hallway if you **** it up.

heheehe, I have to search out more data to control that, and maybe I prefer to improvise ! You mean at the top of the big stair ?  does not seem so. http://social.biowar.../index/10037557 call it science lab or upper basement.

Clear the basement (with a rocket on waves 5, 7 and 9) Go back up the stairs leading to the inside hallway, kill enemies as they enter the hallway. If you get enemies coming in from both sides go down the stairs and hold the base of the stairs in soft-cover.

I dont even know what is special about wave 5 7 and 9 ? No respawn ?

On Rocket waves look around quickly to see if you can get another worthy spawn to missile, otherwise just wait until most of the wave budget is expended and cleanup the rest with a rocket.

Missile Plan:
Wave 3 cleanup: 1
Wave 5: 2-3
Wave 6 cleanup: 1
Wave 7: 1
Wave 9: 2-3
Wave 10 cleanup: 1 (pray that you don't get targets)

Maybe I will try something like that after the first one

Modifié par alfonsedode, 13 mai 2013 - 11:07 .

[valium]

skip the boring kroguard, batguard is just as ez mode but a lot more fun. no lash, all melee in fitness and cave-in all the faces with your brofist. You literally can not die during the heavy melee.

[Alfonsedode]

valium wrote...
You literally can not die during the heavy melee.

I am pretty sure I died a lot during the Batarian Heavy Melee ... (even if the melee animation carries out)

Modifié par alfonsedode, 13 mai 2013 - 11:30 .

[l7986]

screw cyclonics, just put on a power efficiency 3 and never stop charging.

[ToLazy4Name]

Cyclonics are the way to go. Decreasing your cooldown by .5 seconds isn't going to help you nearly as much as 1500 extra Shields.

[FlowCytometry]

alfonsedode wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

On Rocket waves look around quickly to see if you can get another worthy spawn to missile, otherwise just wait until most of the wave budget is expended and cleanup the rest with a rocket.

Missile Plan:
Wave 3 cleanup: 1
Wave 5: 2-3
Wave 6 cleanup: 1
Wave 7: 1
Wave 9: 2-3
Wave 10 cleanup: 1 (pray that you don't get targets)

Maybe I will try something like that after the first one

yeah, it all assumes you have armored compartments at V (which you may not). The non-objective rockets are just to make the solo go much faster overall; on objective waves they're to quickly finish off large packs of enemies right after you complete the objective to get those waves done fast too.

If ur being conservative w/ rocket use, then save 1-2 of them for waves 7, 8 or 9 depending on how big a spawn ya can nab, and rocket cleanup after the objective on wave 10 (assuming non-targets; if ya get wave 10 targets just rocket them all and cleanup manually).

[l7986]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Cyclonics are the way to go. Decreasing your cooldown by .5 seconds isn't going to help you nearly as much as 1500 extra Shields.

true, but when your like me and can't get a cyclonic to save your life, they can come in pretty useful.

[ToLazy4Name]

Oh, undoubtedly, but i'm saying if he actually has them, then they're a much better option.

Trust me, i'm in the same boat as you. I can't get Cyclonics, Shotgun Rail Amps, or Adrenaline Modules to save my life.

[SterlingPhoenix]

Whenever this thread comes up I mention this.

I never ever fire my weapon when I kroguard. I equip the Disciple with the omniblade and just smack everyone. Get into a rhythm of charge/smack/smack and you're good. No need to fire a shot, especially against no-sync-kill enemies.

[ISHYGDDT]

alfonsedode wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

If you *are* gonna do it with the Kroguard and Reegar (for shame), at least go for the fastest time as well.

Strategy: Glacier/Geth

Start in the upper lab just behind the ammo box. Look slightly inwards. Spawns will end up occuring in the basement and maybe the end of the hallway if you **** it up.

heheehe, I have to search out more data to control that, and maybe I prefer to improvise ! You mean at the top of the big stair ?  does not seem so. http://social.biowar.../index/10037557 call it science lab or upper basement.

Clear the basement (with a rocket on waves 5, 7 and 9) Go back up the stairs leading to the inside hallway, kill enemies as they enter the hallway. If you get enemies coming in from both sides go down the stairs and hold the base of the stairs in soft-cover.

I dont even know what is special about wave 5 7 and 9 ? No respawn ?

On Rocket waves look around quickly to see if you can get another worthy spawn to missile, otherwise just wait until most of the wave budget is expended and cleanup the rest with a rocket.

Missile Plan:
Wave 3 cleanup: 1
Wave 5: 2-3
Wave 6 cleanup: 1
Wave 7: 1
Wave 9: 2-3
Wave 10 cleanup: 1 (pray that you don't get targets)

Maybe I will try something like that after the first one

Just look where I stand at the start of wave 1.  That's the normal starting position.  



Generally it's better to take the right side path to the basement as well as opposed to the long stairway so that you get right-hand advantage when you go down to the basement.  It's not strictly necessary with the Kroguard though.


5,7,9 are the rocket waves because they spawn Geth Primes.  2, 1 and 2 at a time, respectively.  Wave 8 geth is special in that it doesn't spawn primes at all.  If you go vs. Cerberus or Reapers you nuke waves 5, 8, 9 because they each spawn double bosses.  Missile on 7 of Geth is disgretionary, but I prefer to have the basement cleared quickly so I have somewhere to retreat to from the hallway.  

If you don't have (or don't want to use) Armored compartments, just use one missile to nuke the basement on those 3 waves, and use 3 to clean up the objectives.

[Alfonsedode]

Modifié par alfonsedode, 14 mai 2013 - 12:42 .

[Alfonsedode]

alfonsedode wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Just look where I stand at the start of wave 1.  That's the normal starting position.  



Generally it's better to take the right side path to the basement as well as opposed to the long stairway so that you get right-hand advantage when you go down to the basement.  It's not strictly necessary with the Kroguard though.


5,7,9 are the rocket waves because they spawn Geth Primes.  2, 1 and 2 at a time, respectively.  Wave 8 geth is special in that it doesn't spawn primes at all.  If you go vs. Cerberus or Reapers you nuke waves 5, 8, 9 because they each spawn double bosses.  Missile on 7 of Geth is disgretionary, but I prefer to have the basement cleared quickly so I have somewhere to retreat to from the hallway.  

If you don't have (or don't want to use) Armored compartments, just use one missile to nuke the basement on those 3 waves, and use 3 to clean up the objectives.

Thx for your explanations (on the wave for example, I did not know all that), it s pretty clear , and seems very easy in the video (meaning it will be a lot harder for me). I will try a melee run and a fast one . No problem for the armored component. 
On your wave 5, the last 2 primes are a later spawn in the basement. It's allways a later spawn ? and are you lucky that it happens in the basement ?
Seeing your play, you don use the charge as fast as possible because priming the fire explosion is more efficient (and you have quite a long power recharge time). Meaning the shield recharge delay (level 5 of krogan rage) is usefull for a shotgun build.

[Alfonsedode]

SterlingPhoenix wrote...

Whenever this thread comes up I mention this.

I never ever fire my weapon when I kroguard. I equip the Disciple with the omniblade and just smack everyone. Get into a rhythm of charge/smack/smack and you're good. No need to fire a shot, especially against no-sync-kill enemies.

That s more my style , i wil try that to see where it leads me