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[Maria Caliban]

RohnanJon wrote...

So if  "Inquisition" is indeed to be set in Orlais, is anyone expecting (or indeed hoping for)  a dramatic mother-son reunion?

It would be lost on 80% of the player base and there's no reason for Alistar to search for his mother as he believes she's dead.

So, no.

[dielveio]

Here's a great idea!!
Wait until you play the game!

[Eveangaline]

dielveio wrote...

Here's a great idea!!
Wait until you play the game!

Now that's crazy talk. I want all the plot details now.

[Suoma]

Alister is GW so he must be dead couse of blight.

[Kingthlayer]

If Fiona is indeed his mother, then the game being set in Orlais is the perfect time to show it.

I'm also all for having our choices actually matter, and if the only way to see this cutscene(plus possible side quest) is to have Alistair as king, that would be quite awesome.

The more unique each playthrough is, the more replayable the game is.

[AstraDrakkar]

I doubt they will ever meet and I don't even expect to see Alistair in DAI. This thought is sad for me, since he is my favorite character in the entire DA universe. I think his story is about over though and the most we'll get is some kind of reference about his death. I'll be happy If just one male love intererest in DAI is written as well as he was.

 (Maker please no more nutcases with boulder sized chips on their shoulder)

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 01 juillet 2013 - 09:53 .

[Plaintiff]

I really hope Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. There's only so much super-specialness that you can cram into a single character, and Alistair is approaching critical mass, what with his dragon blood and being able to use templar abilities without lyrium.

Also, there's only so many levels of conspiracy I'm willing accept.

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

I really hope Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. There's only so much super-specialness that you can cram into a single character, and Alistair is approaching critical mass, what with his dragon blood and being able to use templar abilities without lyrium.

Also, there's only so many levels of conspiracy I'm willing accept.

I'm convinced that Origins and The Calling together pretty well refute the idea, though I wouldn't put it past Bioware to retcon him into being her son anyway...and I can't say it would surprise me to see them do that. But I've always been of the opinion that there's a third Theirin boy out there somewhere.  Especially in light of there being no obvious heir to the Ferelden throne coming from either Alistair or Anora.

[LobselVith8]

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I really hope Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. There's only so much super-specialness that you can cram into a single character, and Alistair is approaching critical mass, what with his dragon blood and being able to use templar abilities without lyrium.

Also, there's only so many levels of conspiracy I'm willing accept.

I'm convinced that Origins and The Calling together pretty well refute the idea, though I wouldn't put it past Bioware to retcon him into being her son anyway...and I can't say it would surprise me to see them do that. But I've always been of the opinion that there's a third Theirin boy out there somewhere.  Especially in light of there being no obvious heir to the Ferelden throne coming from either Alistair or Anora. 

What role do you think a third Theirin scion would play?

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I am more and more in the camp of a third son being Fiona and Maric's child. But, I think what would be cool is that Alistair gets to meet said third son in DA:I if he's alive. (He's alive in my campaigns, so...)
But meeting Fiona would be a real treat as well.

[Silfren]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I really hope Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. There's only so much super-specialness that you can cram into a single character, and Alistair is approaching critical mass, what with his dragon blood and being able to use templar abilities without lyrium.

Also, there's only so many levels of conspiracy I'm willing accept.

I'm convinced that Origins and The Calling together pretty well refute the idea, though I wouldn't put it past Bioware to retcon him into being her son anyway...and I can't say it would surprise me to see them do that. But I've always been of the opinion that there's a third Theirin boy out there somewhere.  Especially in light of there being no obvious heir to the Ferelden throne coming from either Alistair or Anora. 

What role do you think a third Theirin scion would play?

Not sure, really. The simplest role would be for a future game in Ferelden involving a war of succession, which I think is likely because a couple years ago I read that both Alistair and Anora were set up to be childish on purpose.  First scenario that comes to mind is that the third Theirin boy (or, perhaps more likely, a descendant of his) is discovered as having a claim to the throne and gets embroiled in the conflict.  It's kind of an overdone plot though.

What with the new significance of the Theirin bloodline, though, I could see some possibilities.  Any plot that required Theirin blood, but Alistair's not an option because of the darkspawn taint...oh, look...there's another Theirin, diaster averted!

I also remember Gaider once saying that there's a narrative reason for why elf and human pairings produce humans rather than half-breeds.  Off the top of my head I think magic was alluded to.  Well, there might be an interesting twist available here, what with this third Theirin being the child of a King and the son of the elven Grand Enchanter.

[Northern Sun]

leborum wrote...

I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.

Reading your post made me comb through both World of Thedas and The Calling and the timeline does say that Alistair was born in 9:10 and The Calling happened in 9:14. However, it also states that Maric allowed the Wardens back into Ferelden in 9:10 as well, whereas in the novel he only gives the Wardens permisson to return as a full order in-between chapter 19 and the epilogue(with roughly a year skip between them). So while it's obviously not definitive proof that Alistair is Fiona's child, I don't feel the possibility can be dismissed.

I'd also like to point out that the timeline says Bhelen is the middle child, whereas I just completed Orzamar on an Origins playthrough and it was stated a good half-dozen times that he was the youngest, so unfortunately the timeline isn't 100% accurate regardless. Which is a bit funny considering the intro by Mike Laidlaw says the book is "ruthlessly fact checked".

Modifié par Northern Sun, 02 juillet 2013 - 02:13 .

[duckley]

maybe 

Modifié par duckley, 02 juillet 2013 - 02:34 .

[KiwiQuiche]

I have no idea why they let a Grey Warden be the Grand Enchanter. So much for neutrality, Fiona. :|

[ScarMK]

I coulda swore I hit edit instead of quote. 

Modifié par ScarMK, 02 juillet 2013 - 02:49 .

[ScarMK]

A few updates to the WoT book in case anyone has missed/forgotten about it.

[Reidbynature]

Fiona being Alistair's mother just isn't a good idea. It would undermine Alistair's story in Origins with a convoluted retcon.

[TK514]

The less Fiona the better. I think never mentioning her at all would be just the right amount. I will settle for a necessary unnamed mention to explain the idiocy leading up to the Mage/Templar slapfight, ie "the Grand Enchanter blah blah blah..."

[wright1978]

I don't really see the need for Alistair to re-appear in Inquisiation unless there's a main plot related reason to meet the ruler of ferelden be that Alistair or Anora.Probably something the comic universe should deal with given it doesn't have to account for all the other fates of Alistair.

[Magdalena11]

I've always wondered what happened to the third(?) of Maric's sons. From the timeline and Goldana, we know Alistair's not Fiona's son but who is? I'd like to find out what happened to the lad. It wasn't his fault that his parents conceived him. Also, Duncan said he'd look after him so what happened to that when Maric disappeared?

The reason for the question mark after 3rd is that if Maric had 2 kids other than Cailan, how many more did he have? Is this going to be a recurring theme, finding Maric's lost children?

[Ananka]

Tharja wrote...

spoilers, Fiona is no longer tainted so I doubt he would be able to figure out that she was a warden once, and what if Alistair was a drunk or a warden he would have no reason to help the empress

I haven't read the books. How is it possible to get rid of the taint? I thought that was for life?

Also, Fiona hasn't been mentioned in the any of the games so far, right?
I think it sounds possible she's Alistair's mother, but I'm not sure they'll bother to show it in the game.

Modifié par Annaka, 03 juillet 2013 - 06:53 .

[TheLastArchivist]

Annaka wrote...

Tharja wrote...

spoilers, Fiona is no longer tainted so I doubt he would be able to figure out that she was a warden once, and what if Alistair was a drunk or a warden he would have no reason to help the empress

I haven't read the books. How is it possible to get rid of the taint? I thought that was for life?

Also, Fiona hasn't been mentioned in the any of the games so far, right?
I think it sounds possible she's Alistair's mother, but I'm not sure they'll bother to show it in the game.

In The Calling, if I recall correctly, it is never explained how Fiona was cured of the taint.
You just know by reading the epilogue that she arrives with a child in her arms (Alistair) and it is said that the taint disappeared by itself.
The reason that is given for this automatic process is that, when Fiona removed the brooch given by the mage Remille, the signs of advancement of the taint mysteriously vanished from her body, thus the idea why magic somehow had a causative effect.

Either way, nothing is clarified in the book. The information is incomplete and forces the reader to appeal to speculation to know what truly happened with Fiona.

[LobselVith8]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I have no idea why they let a Grey Warden be the Grand Enchanter. So much for neutrality, Fiona. :|

Well, The Warden irrevocably impacted several societies and meddled in politics continually, which can include our protagonist convincing a senior Grey Warden to become the King of an entire nation, and that's not even getting into a possible mage protagonist asking for the Circle of Ferelden to be free of the Andrastian Chantry or serving as a high noble as the new Arl of Amaranthine in violation of Chantry law.

I think becoming Grand Enchanter pales in comparison. 

[Plaintiff]

When were the wardens EVER neutral? Meddling in outside affairs is practically all they do. Blights only come along every few centuries, did people think the Grey Wardens spent their spare time knitting?

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Well, The Warden irrevocably impacted several societies and meddled in politics continually, which can include our protagonist convincing a senior Grey Warden to become the King of an entire nation, and that's not even getting into a possible mage protagonist asking for the Circle of Ferelden to be free of the Andrastian Chantry or serving as a high noble as the new Arl of Amaranthine in violation of Chantry law.

The Warden got to pick between two political leaders, and changed one society. Fionna was instrumental in actually putting mages on the path to freedom, and did not than have someone who actually did all the work tell her to pick between two sides. 

Fionna's by far the greater figure in politics in Thedas.